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July 31, 2016

The RNC and DNC are over and now there is a sprint to the November election. Currently there are 4 candidates in the conversation- Republican Donald Trump, Democrat Hillary Clinton, Libertarian Gary Johnson and Green Party candidate Jill Stein.

I thought a single thread to discuss the rest of the process might make sense at this point.

This morning as I'm watching the Sunday morning news I think I'm seeing the beginning of the end for the Trump campaign. Over the weekend Trump has been on the attack against speakers from the DNC for their attacks on him, he just can't help himself.

One attack in particular is killing him. The Muslim gold start father and mother that challenged him at the DNC, asking what he has ever sacrificed and if he has even read the constitution has Trump coming apart at the seams IMHO.

Here is the speech at the DNC:



Trump's response on This Week:



Trump-'No More Mr. Nice Guy':



The Clinton campaign is in full attack on trump using his own words against him and exploiting his thin skinned weakness of not being able to handle even the slightest negative criticism. I really think he is beginning to unravel and it will be interesting to see how Clinton's approach works here.

Keep in mind that Trump was attacked viciously in the primaries and he won in a field of 16...

Yea, I really don't care about his "sacrifices" comment, but man, why go after the mom?

Was that really called for? I mean damn dude. We've seen over and over throughout the DECADES of wives just standing by their husbands during a speech from ANY demographic, now all of a sudden it's a problem because of their religion?

But have you seen the people on social media defend it? Just like everything else, it doesn't matter what comes out of his mouth.

Trump could say "go back to Africa" and the majority of his supporters would be like "eh, not a bad idea"

Well, where's he headed then, trump? Since y'all boys and all.

George Stephanopoulos awkwardly corrects Donald Trump when he says Putin 'is not going into Ukraine'

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/george-stephanopoulos-awkwardly-corrects-donald-142510918.html

In an interview on ABC's "This Week" that aired Sunday, Trump asserted that Russian President Vladimir Putin was not going to invade Ukraine, where pro-Russian rebels — and some Russian special forces — have been operating for several years despite Putin's reluctance to acknowledge any role.

"He's not going into Ukraine, just so you understand. He's not going to go to Ukraine," Trump said.

"Well, he's already there, isn't he?" Stephanopoulos replied.

Trump responded by simultaneously criticizing the US's decision not to intervene to stop the annexation of Crimea, a former Ukrainian territory seized by Russia in 2014, and noting that many citizens of Crimea were allegedly supportive of Russia's decision to invade.

"Well, he's there in a certain way, but I'm not there. You have Obama there," Trump said. "And frankly that part of the world is mess, under Obama. With all the strength that you're talking about, and with all the power of NATO, and all of this, in the mean time, [Putin] takes Crimea."

He added: "You know the people of Crimea, from what I've heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were, and you have to look at that also."

Earlier in the interview, the real-estate magnate shrugged off his campaign's influence in removing a provision of the Republican Party platform that would've advocated providing arms to Ukraine to defend itself from Russian aggression.

"I was not involved in that. I'd have to take a look at it, but I was not involved in that," Trump said of the decision to alter the platform.

Trump's relationship with Russia and favorable statements about Putin have come under scrutiny in recent days following his suggestion for Russian hackers to find emails that Hillary Clinton deleted after serving as secretary of state. The Republican nominee responded to criticism of his comments by claiming he was being sarcastic.

Sorry, but you cant stop the Trump train. He can do no wrong to his supporters because he is the outsider.

Didn't the director slam you during a press conference?

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/hillary-clinton-claims-fbi-director-155339051.html

The remarks came in an interview with "Fox News Sunday" host Chris Wallace who challenged her on the claim.

The Fox host led into the question by playing three clips of answers Clinton gave about her use of the server in 2015, where she said she did not use the server to email classified material, that there was no classified email on the server, and that she was "confident" she never sent or received information marked classified at the time.

"After a long investigation, FBI Director James Comey said none of those things that you told the American public were true," Wallace said.

Clinton responded by saying "that's not what I heard" Comey say.

"Director Comey said that my answers were truthful and what I've said is consistent with what I have told the American people, that there were decisions discussed and made to classify retroactively certain of the emails," the Democratic nominee for president said.

She added: "I was communicating with over 300 people in my emailing. They certainly did not believe and had no reason to believe that what they were sending was classified. Now, in retrospect, different agencies come in and say, 'Well, it should have been." But that's not what was happening in real time.'"

Wallace then cited Comey's hearing in front of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform from earlier this month, where he said Clinton's prior statements that there was "nothing marked classified on her emails, either sent or received" and that "there is not classified material" weren't accurate.

"He not only directly contradicted what you said, [he] also said in that hearing that you were extremely careless and negligent," Wallace said.

Clinton replied, acknowledging that she "made a mistake" by "not using two different email addresses."

"I have said that, and I repeat it again today. It is certainly not anything that I ever would do again," she said. "I take classification seriously."

And trump better not be trying to get out of debates with his nonsense crap about the times being rigged.

Do you mean like the Clinton Sanders circus about not agreeing on a debate date?

Still showed up.

As a matter of fact, there's only one person who hasn't showed up to a debate this election cycle.

Wanna take a wild guess as to who that is?

A bipartisan committee, democrats and republicans, agreed upon the dates.

Bernie complained, but debates wouldn't have mattered. He sucked at getting his message out.

Hiliary Clinton accepted 48.5 Million in campaign donations from Wallstreet.

She is bought and paid for, folks.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/hedge-fund-m...rump-1469784601

And wasn't the schedule set like....sometime last year?

Never mind

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post...e-nfl-schedule/

They set it on sept 23, 2015.

Rigged my ass.

Russia buys and pays for Trump; oh, the Russian government hacks for him, too.

I dislike both, and they're both turds. Yet, one will protect the rights of minorities, and the other only seems to be for white christian men.

I hate this election season.

Hey Swish, we don't care that you rigged your ass, okay?

Although, I wonder what you rigged it for.

It just shows what a liar she is. If anyone thinks she is against wallstreet or big business they are fooling themselves. She is bought and paid for bed buddies with them.

Explosive diaherra

I'm not sure if anyone doesn't think she's bought and paid for.

I think most people just thinks it's a wash. She's bought. Trump has been doing the buying.

Whatever.

The thing is it goes completely against her speeches. She is straight up lying to the masses. Every single day.

I saw an interview with a former secret service agent that use to protect her. He said she had an unstable temperament and treated her staff very badly, yelling at them all the time. They were afraid of her. He said her dnc speech was complete fantasy.

After this weekend, I decided I will vote for whichever candidate that will abolish the TSA.

Well, at least you're prepared.

It's a problem for sure. The only reason I'm not AS concerned with any of these campign donations is that it seems like it's the only way to get elected nowadays. Who can spend the most. But it's also why I think overturning citizens United is a pipe dream. Every politician out there is trying to use it to their advantage.

Clinton is the worst with it, so far anyway. We will see who the Koch brothers throw their money at.

As far as the secret service dude....I don't really care about that. She's a massive jerk. Everybody knows that. In other news, water is liquid.

Damn, that bad bro? I heard some seriously horror stories about those losers.

Anybody seen the ghost rider of trumps "the art of the deal"



He's been blasting trump lately lmao. Apparently trump didn't write anything in there.

My Dad has multiple joint replacements. Everytime he tries to go through security, it lights up. He hates flying.

It is just beyond me how any of you liberals can support a lying witch like her. She has zero redeeming qualities and all of her campaign promises are empty. She is in it for power and money and thats it.

Now I dont think Trump is much better, but I at least think he intends to fullfill his promises. He has all the money in the world so he doesnt need to be bed buddies with anyone. This is one reason why people vote for him. His trustworthy factor is higher.

I can same the same thing about trump.

Trump isn't gonna fulfill even half of his empty promises.

Hell, most of his promises I don't WANT him to fulfil.

Going after families? For the love of god don't fulfil that promise.

They both suck. But trump is worse.

And that's the thing. We both acknowledge they're trash, but we disagree on who's worse.

Yep, why I'm not voting for either of them.

Well, for me, it isn't about lib or con. It isn't even about who lies (they all do) or who tells the truth (they all do, when it suits them).

It's about on-the-job experience, professional competence and mental stability. Since 1986, I've seen no evidence that Donald Trump possesses the requisite skill set, diplomatic experience or emotional makeup to ever be given the position of most influential politician on the planet.

And... given his latest spate of adolescent tweets, incoherent defenses/lame 'clarifications' of previously-made (on-the-record) statements, and inability to handle even the most minor of criticism, he's fast running out of time to prove that he's even capable of being an effective mayor of Mayberry, NC.

He seems to have the emotional maturity and balance of a 10th grade bully who nets a 2.0 GPA. Pathetic, for a person who has 70 years of life under his belt. He identifies with despots and disreputable strongmen, and denigrates diplomats and intellectuals as 'weak.' This is a dangerous set of traits to anyone who has the slightest understanding of how international politics works. On top of all that, his campaign (read: 'job interview') has consisted solely of vague generalities, vacuous promises/slogans, and running down his opposition... without spending any time at all detailing his plans for this country.

He tasked his son with wooing Gov Kasich with promises to make him 'the most powerful VP in history'- in charge of foreign AND domestic policy... and when asked what his father would be doing, answered: "Making America great again."

WTF?

In short, he possesses the kind of personality profile that scares the bejeezuz out of Republicans and Democrats alike. Politicians who know the landscape, the international players- and the stakes.

Look, Eve: I think I get it... I understand some people's desire to have a political outsider shake things up, but this man is simply NOT the one who should be doing it. Bernie was a closer fit, but at least only his tax policies were crazy. With Agent Orange, crazy is the entire package. I'm by no means a fan of 'Crooked Hillary,' but I'm even less a fan of the idiot who gave her that sillyazz nickname. I'd more readily take Walker, Bush, Christie or even Cruz over this flaming Nazi know-nothing gasbag.

One has served as a Senator and Secretary of State
The other has moved money around and hosted a 4th-rate television show.


This is the world's most important job, and I'm being asked to hire the person who will do that job. Qualifications still count for something.


...and I don't think I'm alone in that assessment.


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I dont know why you feel this need to bring me up in every post you make, but its getting old and stalker like.

Because YOU were the one who asked why anyone would support her.
That was you, wasn't it?

Don't get creeped out... I have plenty of others with whom I can discuss things. I'd have answered anyone else who asked the same question.

There's an ignore feature if it's making you uncomfortable.

One has served as a senator and secretary of state. Based on what? Her name.

She has shown her ineptitude in both positions. Yet, some people think it might change?

She's a money whore. A name whore. She's gotten where she is by sucking up to anyone and everyone that she thinks will help her.

She's the devil. Anyone with an open mind can see that. Anyone that doesn't see that is obviously in love with a name.

She's a nobody that has worked politics all her life - for her benefit, and her benefit only.

Don't let the Bullies push you out Eve, many of us value your opinions for you are wise.

It was 90 degrees, I use a backpack for my carry on. By the time I walked in from the economy lot, my back was sweaty. This sets of the scanner and I had to get a full pat down.

On the way home, I'm carrying a pocket full of change that I forgot to empty out, as I usually don't have change on me. I get right through with no problems

Between all the stuff that slips through and all the false positives they chase, there is no way TSA can be considered effective.

Maybe.

But what ineptitude? Nobody has a flawless record.

And she still has the experience and working relationships with world leaders. She also has the respect of a lot of people around the globe.

It's also funny because you never say a word about trump.

Every time someone ask you about trump, you just go back to Hillary.

So what is your position on trump? I replied to your comments about Hillary. Now respond to my comments about trump.

Trump is a jackwad.

But, he isn't in the game like hillary is. Guarantee, if I had a billion dollars to give hillary, she'd be my puppet.

She is motivated by nothing but money. Money for her. She owes so many people it's not even funny. It's not even laughable. It's dangerous.

Yet, some people think she has the best interests of the country at heart. Here's her interest: Money, and legacy.

Seriously, all the crap she's done..........and some support her? Unbelievable.

And I love how you excuse her by saying "no one has a flawless record."

That's how she makes her bank.

There is a laundry list of initiatives and institutions that have benefited from her service, despite the fact that she's much of what you described.

Children's Health Initiative
Senate Armed Services Committee: Relief for 9/11 first responders as senator
Worked with Republicans to expand health care for National Guard members and reservists.

So... you (and even I) may not like her, but to characterize her as do-nothing and totally self-serving is simply inaccurate.

AND... it's entirely possible for me to say these things WITHOUT being a fan. Because they are a matter of public record.


Arch, my bro- you know how much I like you going back almost 10 years... but I ask you to re-read this sentence:


...and see why I'm chuckling at the deep, delicious irony.

Now... when it comes to Agent Orang-utan, I claim no such objectivity. I took an instant dislike to the man in 1986 when I first saw him on some now-defunct daytime talk show, and he's irritated the mess out of me ever since. I don't like his personality. I don't like his style. I don't like how he operates in the public sphere. And... I'm going to lay it out in terms that we can both understand here.

I can almost imagine, to the word, what you might think about him if we were to ever find ourselves at a Browns tailgate with him in attendance. You'd probably find him to be a loudmouthed blowhard who tries to bluff his way through some good Browns talk, while attempting to hog the conversation. Total tailgate buzzkill.

I know you. You're a down-to-earth, 'salt' kind of guy who carries himself with restraint and regard for others he meets. If you weren't, we wouldn't be friends at all. You can't tell me that this:


...is the kind of person you'd tolerate for even 15 minutes.

Like I've said many times before, I'm no fan of Hillary Clinton's. BUT: this waste of DNA is utterly beneath my contempt.

I have to respect a person before I can like them. Dude's earned zero respect from me.

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your mileage may vary, which is also cool.

*EDIT*
I see you mentioned that he was a jackwad while I was typing. Glad to know my assessment of you was right.

There was a story on the news that security misses 90% of dangerous products sent through. The whole thing needs a revamp.