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also, i read taylor had a good few days and played a little CB2


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Posted by Zac Jackson on July 31, 2016, 1:13 PM EDT
Jimmy Haslam
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Browns Owner Jimmy Haslam told reporters Sunday that he’s “cautiously optimistic” but also “realistic” about the state of the Browns, who are coming off a 3-13 season and another round of sweeping changes.

“I know we’ll be a better team,” Haslam said.

Haslam generally addresses the local media early in training camp. At the start of training camp last year, Haslam said he wouldn’t be cleaning house after the season. Oops.

Upon firing general manager Ray Farmer and head coach Mike Pettine at the conclusion of last season, Haslam promoted Sashi Brown to executive vice president of football operations then later hired Hue Jackson as head coach. Haslam praised Jackson Sunday, calling him the pace-setter of the organization and saying he brings a different level of energy and collaboration to the building.

Haslam said he and his wife, Dee, addressed the team last week before the start of camp — at the urging of Jackson. Haslam said the messages they tried to deliver involved the importance of preparation and eliminating distractions.

The Browns took on another potential distraction when suspended wide receiver Josh Gordon was conditionally reinstated last week. Haslam said Brown, Jackson and other key members of the organization decided to bring Gordon back and that the organization will do everything it can to help Gordon stay out of trouble and succeed.

“Josh deserves a restart,” he said.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/07/31/haslam-says-hes-optimistic-realistic-about-browns/

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Guys, what's everyone's no-bs opinion on Xavier Cooper? I just listened to Nassib's presser and he said Cooper's has been the most helpful to/for him, but Nassib is virtually an enemy because let's face it... Cooper didn't start a single game last season, nor did he make much of a big splash but perhaps wasn't allotted the opportunity to do so?

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TRAINING CAMP TOUR: RG III’S PLAYING-STYLE IN BROWNS CAMP LOOKING SIMILAR TO REDSKINS DAYS

On Day 4 of the Pro Football Focus training camp tour, the PFF analysis team traveled to Berea, Ohio, to take in Cleveland Browns camp.

BEREA, Ohio – Weather struck once again on the PFF training camp tour, and for the second day in a row, we witnessed an indoor practice—this time from Berea, Ohio, the late-summer home of the Cleveland Browns. The Browns are a team stocked with youth, with 24 rookies currently on the roster—14 by way of 2016 draft picks after trades—and several interesting players to keep an eye on.


Same old RG III?
The first look at Robert Griffin III in the Cleveland offense was both encouraging and discouraging, depending on how you look at it. He was very much still the same player he was in Washington, which is to say an impressive athlete with all the arm talent you could wish for, but one also severely limited as a quarterback.

He very rarely made it far through his progression in the team portion of practice, and was usually on the move if he had to come off his first read. The good news is that the Browns seem to be only too aware of that, and are almost building it into the offensive system, with receiver routes designed to uncover later in the play than is usual, catering to the fact that the QB may well be on the move and looking for an open target several seconds into it.

When Griffin took aim at a target and delivered, he was reasonably accurate and threw a nice football, but the big question mark for him as a starter this season (assuming he wins the job, and he was getting the first reps with each drill in this session) is whether that limit to his work in the pocket can succeed at this level.

Josh McCown didn’t seem to do much wrong, and Cody Kessler made a couple of nice throws, but there was a visible difference between him and RG III or McCown in terms of stature and velocity of pass thrown. Kessler is clearly working with more physical limitations, therefore he needs to be on point when it comes to accuracy and the mental side of the game.

Coleman, Higgins, Pryor all showing flashes in camp
The Cleveland receiving corps is a fascinating group of imposing physical specimens, smaller, shifty players, and their group of rookies. Perhaps the best day came from Marlon Moore, who made several nice plays, including one very good catch and run in team drills. Corey Coleman displayed his impressive speed and burst, but dropped a couple of passes and looked to struggle with getting his head around the complex routes that he is being expected to run. That’s not a huge surprise given the Baylor system he is coming from, but there were hints of the same thing on occasion from Rashard Higgins (Colorado State) and some of the other receivers.

Terrelle Pryor is an imposing athlete who looks far more natural as a wide receiver than you might expect, at least as far as his route-running was concerned. Other than one play that saw him slip over on his break when going up against rookie CB Trey Caldwell, Pryor ran smooth and precise routes and gained good separation, but his hands looked far from natural and instinctive. He dropped a couple of passes, and on this display, at least, it seems like a big enough flaw that it could cap his progress at the position.

Open competitions throughout depth chart
Many positions on the Cleveland depth chart seem to be open competitions, though ironically, the highest-profile spot—QB—might be the one where that appears most predetermined. The entire defense seemed to rotate across positions against all of the offensive teams, seeing undrafted rookies going up against the first-team offense as well as the starting defenders. In fact, some of the best plays of the day on defense came from guys lower down on the depth chart against players they should have been major underdogs against in one-on-one competition.

Other notes:
– E.J. Bibbs made some of the best plays of the day as a receiver. The second-year TE from Iowa State had some nice hands catches, when many players around him seemed to be letting those hit the turf.

– Arguably the best two DB performances came from Jamar Taylor and Eric Patterson. Each had at least one nice pass breakup and displayed some close coverage against some of the bigger-named Browns receivers.

– The Browns’ kickers certainly seemed to be practicing hanging the ball up at or just beyond the goal line to tempt return men into bringing the it out and being stopped short of the new 25-yard touchback mark. Teams will likely differ on how they approach this rule change, but the Browns certainly seem to be looking to take that approach.

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The good news is that the Browns seem to be only too aware of that, and are almost building it into the offensive system, with receiver routes designed to uncover later in the play than is usual, catering to the fact that the QB may well be on the move and looking for an open target several seconds into it.


Well, that's fascinating. Could this actually work in a game?

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Its similar to what the Shanahans did in Washington. So...yes and no.

It has usefulness, but a shelf life if RGIII doesnt improve from the pocket.


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gotta remember also that hue Runs a great deal of the Coryell system where the reads are deep to short and those plays take more time. Puts pressure on the line to protect more but u also have 2 QBs that are slow to make reads anyway. RG3 however has got to recognize the drags coming open thats Gordon's bread and butter.

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From what I remember when Hue was in Cincy didnt Dalton
Have one of the faster releases in the NFL?
I though the ball came out of his hand at 2.4 seconds?
Under Coryell Fouts was a 7 step drop back passer.
I would imagine the route trees are totally differect
Under Coryell concepts and Hue with the Bengals.
Coryell went vertical alot with Jefferson..Joiner.Winslow
Underneath and James Brooks on swing routes vs olbs.

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My bold prediction: Marlon Moore makes the team and contributes.

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yep but Dalton doesnt really have the arm talent like Flacco or RG3 has to get it down field accurately. He changed things up a great deal to suit his QB.

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On-field observations from Day 3 of Browns training camp

Posted 3 hours ago

Patrick Maks Staff Writer Twitter

Sirens, live tackling and big plays stood out from Sunday’s session

The skies cleared and the sun came out on Sunday as Browns fans were, at last, able to watch Day 3 of training camp after storms washed out the first open two sessions.

So after practice, coach Hue Jackson, with a wide smile, thanked fans for their ongoing support.

“I think our player really appreciate them being here and being apart of this,” he said.

“I mean, they bring great energy for our football team so when it gets a little tough, we can kind of look to the sideline and pick yourself up a little bit. So I really appreciate the crowd and them being here and they’re truly our fans. They’re totally into it, I truly appreciate it and I’m very grateful to have them here today.”

And after practice, it might be safe to say it was all worth the wait as the afternoon was headlined by live tackling, sirens, big plays and much more.

Here’s what we saw on Day 3:

— For the first time since January, the Browns held their first practice in full pads, much to the delight of Jackson, the coaching staff and players.

“Oh boy,” Jackson said, smiling. “That was a lot of fun.”

Indeed, the Browns had two live tackling sessions in which a siren went off to mark the beginning of the period. Jackson on Saturday said he wanted the Browns to establish an identity in the coming weeks and hoped that being in full pads would give him an idea of who they really are.

“I think we’re starting (to form an identity). I think it was a good first day, I don’t like to make comparisons but for our group, I think today it was a good start, but more so than anything, I think our guys liked it and respected it and I think it’s different,” he said of the tackling sessions.

“I know it’s a little bit different, you know, than maybe what they’ve been accustomed to but I think it’s what it’s truly going to take for us to have a really good football team.”

— Speaking of live tackling, Jackson said the periods are “unscripted” which is why the coaching staff uses a siren to alert the players for what’s in store.

“They don’t know when they’re coming,” he said. “They just can show up at any time. That’s what the siren’s for. And again, I thought they responded well and I thought they were excited about it, I think there was an enthusiasm about it and I think they understand the purpose of it now.”

— Sunday was a solid day for Terrelle Pryor, which saw him haul in a handful of passes, most notably a long ball from quarterback Robert Griffin III.

“He’s made the transition from quarterback to receiver, but I think he’s done an outstanding job and I think we moved him from one side as a receiver to the other side, you know, so he’s in another transition and he’s handled it extremely well,” Jackson said.

Pryor, the 6-foot-4 former Ohio State star, enters his second training camp with the Browns, switched from quarterback to receiver late last season and spent offseason workouts aimed at mastering the basics of the position.

“I’m very proud of what he’s doing but again, we’ve had three practices and he was able to make some plays today,” Jackson said. “But we have to continue to grow everywhere on our football team to get better.”

Jackson added, “There’s a lot of different things we’ll do with Terrelle because we think he’s very talented, so we’ll just continue to find different ways to have him make a difference on our offensive football team.”

— Running back Isaiah Crowell also stood out during Sunday’s practice, especially while lowering his shoulder and plowing up the middle on several runs.

Jackson, who spoke highly of Crowell and fellow running back Duke Johnson Jr. in the spring, said the third-year back has “some really unquestioned ability.”

“I saw this in the spring, so I’m not surprised by anything he does,” he said. “But I think there’s more there. I still think he has a lot more to give and we’re going to continue to get him better.”

Crowell rushed for 706 yards and four touchdowns last season.

— After a strong showing on Day 2, cornerback Jamar Taylor looked sharp again on Sunday.

“He’s very talented. I’ve known Jamar from the past when he was coming out and the guy was a second-round draft pick,” Jackson said. “Sometimes guys get drafted in places where maybe the environment's just not right for them, so he’s getting another opportunity and I think he’s let the past go and I think he’s walked in and said, ‘Hey, I want a job.’

Taylor, who comes to Cleveland after three seasons with the Dolphins, said earlier this summer he was embracing a “fresh start” with the Browns and intended to make good on it.

“He’s competing every day and I think he’s tenacious, he’s tough, he’s sudden, he’s fast,” Jackson said. “So we have another good player to put back there in the mix for our football team.”

— Jackson said fullback Malcolm Johnson will go into the concussion protocol after leaving practice because of injury. “That’s just part of it, it’s tough, first time you run up in there and get one of those,” he said, “but, again, that’s part of it.”​
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right now the Ogbah moving to "DE" is a non-story to me


Except that Hue talked about the move in one of his pressers. I am not saying that is a negative. I'm just sayin'.


I love it. I was wanting him to play there the minute they drafted him. Too bad it's not bookending with Bryant but I'll take it. Perhaps we will have two rookies starting at DE..... I wouldn't mind that either. Yes, they would struggle as all rookies do, but that's how you learn. Next year they would be better. Year three? Hopefully, studding out. We might just get some push out of that position one of these days.


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Flacco and RG3 have stronger arms than Dalton but I bet Dalton has better accuracy on 20 yd plus throws.
Anyhow I'm thinking Hue is going to want the ball to
Come out as fast as possible and let the wrs get their YAC.
Plus the Browns oline is still learning to play as a unit especially on pass blocking.
I don't see this offense taking too many shots vertically until the running game gets settled and the oline can give the QB enough time to drop back set follow through and release

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good news about jamar taylor so far


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Browns Quarterback Tracker: Day Three
7:35 PM ET

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Editor's note: Jason Gibbs covers the Cleveland Browns for ESPN 850 WKNR.

On this the final day of July the Cleveland Browns FINALLY took the field in front of their fans for the first time this season. It was hot, humid and oh by the way, the first day in pads for the boys in orange and brown. Here’s what happened and AS ALWAYS, these numbers are unofficial. In the event we miss a pass or a catch is ruled a non-catch and we miss it don’t shoot the messenger.

Again here are the guidelines. We will only compare the QB numbers of all four quarterbacks in 11 on 11 drills and 7 on 7 drills. While there will be other drills (one on one’s for example) that we will show you throughout camp, the only numbers that will count in terms of completion percentage are in the drills mentioned above.

2:59pm…Stretch time.

3:06pm…11 on 11 inside drill.

3:09pm…Position drills transitioning into skill guys working with QB’s.

3:24pm…The pads start cracking with QB/WR/DB drills and defensive linemen/LB versus offensive linemen/RB drills.

3:37pm…Shell Drills.

3:45pm…11 on 11. The siren sounds signaling the first tackling period of this year’s camp. All inside work on this drill with no throws during the period.

3:51pm…11 on 11 third and two situational drill.

3:51pm- RG3 (Numbers – 2/2 Passing)

Play #1 – Completion to WR Marlon Moore

Play #2 – Completion to WR Darius Jennings

3:54pm- Josh McCown (Numbers – 1/2 Passing)

Play #1 – Incompletion (Ball knocked down at the line)

Play #2 – Completion to RB Duke Johnson

3:55pm… Special Teams time. QB’s go to work on agility.

4:10pm…11 on 11. The siren sounds. Welcome to another tackling period.

4:10pm- RG3 (Numbers – 0/1 with two runs)

Play #1 – Incompletion to RB Isaiah Crowell

Play #2 – RG3 forced to run out of the pocket

Play #3 – Handoff to RB Isaiah Crowell

4:13pm- Josh McCown (Numbers – 1/2 Passing with one handoff and a sack)

Play #1 – Completion to FB Patrick Skov

Play #2 – Incompletion to TE Randall Telfer

Play #3 – Handoff to RB Terrell Watson

Play #4 – Sack

4:16pm- RG3 (Numbers – 2/2 Passing with one handoff)

Play #1 – Completion to WR Taylor Gabriel

Play #2 – Handoff to RB Duke Johnson

Play #3 – Completion to WR Darius Jennings

4:18pm- Cody Kessler (Numbers – 2/2 Passing with one handoff)

4:21pm- Austin Davis (Numbers – 1/2 Passing with one handoff and a sack)

4:25pm…11 on 11

4:25pm- RG3 (Numbers – 3/3 Passing with one handoff)

Play #1 – Completion to WR Corey Coleman

Play #2 – Completion to WR Taylor Gabriel

Play #3 – Completion to TE J.P. Holtz

Play #4 – Handoff to RB Duke Johnson

4:29pm- Cody Kessler (Numbers – 1/1 Passing with a botched snap and a handoff)

4:31pm- Austin Davis (Numbers – 0/2 Passing with one handoff)

4:34pm- Cody Kessler (Numbers – 0/1 Passing)

4:34pm- RG3 (Numbers – 1/1 Passing with a sack and a handoff)

Play #1 – Handoff to RB Duke Johnson

Play #2 – Sacked by LB Cam Johnson

Play #3 – Completion to WR Terrell Pryor

4:38pm- Cody Kessler (Numbers – 2/2 Passing)

4:40pm- Austin Davis (Numbers – 2/3 Passing)

4:43pm…Special Teams to finish out the day

UN-OFFICIAL PASSING TOTALS TODAY FOR RG3 – 8/9 (89%)

UN-OFFICIAL PASSING TOTALS TODAY FOR JOSH MCCOWN – 2/4 (50%)

UN-OFFICIAL PASSING TOTALS TODAY FOR CODY KESSLER – 5/6 (83%)

UN-OFFICIAL PASSING TOTALS TODAY FOR AUSTIN DAVIS – 3/7 (43%)

UN-OFFICIAL TRAINING CAMP PASSING TOTALS FOR RG3 – 32/49 (65%)

UN-OFFICIAL TRAINING CAMP PASSING TOTALS FOR JOSH MCCOWN – 20/32 (63%)

UN-OFFICIAL TRAINING CAMP PASSING TOTALS FOR CODY KESSLER – 16/21 (76%)

UN-OFFICIAL TRAINING CAMP PASSING TOTALS FOR AUSTIN DAVIS – 6/14 (43%)
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Thanks for posting that QB break down ... it's nice to see the running log.

I was surprised to see the coaches "allow" RG3 to run in practice. I realize they're emulating a game, but in the clips I saw he was off to the races pretty quickly.


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Interesting that Cody Kessler is our most accurate passer to date.

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Interesting that Cody Kessler is our most accurate passer to date.


I thought the knock on him would be accuracy: 1. down the field and 2. under duress.

I've read mixed reviews on RG3 thus far. Not much on Kessler.


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I thought he was known for his accuracy. That's why Hue drafted him.

I did read there is a noticeable arm strength difference between RG3 and McCown to Kessler.


LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I thought he was known for his accuracy. That's why Hue drafted him.

I did read there is a noticeable arm strength difference between RG3 and McCown to Kessler.


Yeah, I thought accuracy closer to the LOS? Just not down the field. I may be incorrect.


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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right now the Ogbah moving to "DE" is a non-story to me


Except that Hue talked about the move in one of his pressers. I am not saying that is a negative. I'm just sayin'.


I love it. I was wanting him to play there the minute they drafted him. Too bad it's not bookending with Bryant but I'll take it. Perhaps we will have two rookies starting at DE..... I wouldn't mind that either. Yes, they would struggle as all rookies do, but that's how you learn. Next year they would be better. Year three? Hopefully, studding out. We might just get some push out of that position one of these days.


I'm sensing a lot of hand-wringing over the reports of Ogbah lining up at DE (not by you) yet I seem to remember that tact being a typical thing for college DEs making the transition to OLB. Play them some with a hand down on the DL (something they are already comfortable with) while they get familiar with playing standing up. Isn't that fairly typical for guys making the transition?

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It would be huge if Jamar Taylor could start at one of the corner spots and play well.

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By Joe Ginley  @JoeGinley on Jul 31, 2016, 8:11p




The action heated up in Berea today, as the Cleveland Browns began hitting on day three of training camp.

The team’s owner, Jimmy Haslam, stole the headlines today, speaking to reporters before practice. Today marked the first practice open to the public, due to bad weather on Friday and Saturday.

Since Haslam spoke today, we’ll start off with him, move to head coach Hue Jackson, and then finish with thoughts from the players. Haslam’s transcript is here, Jackson’s presser is here, and the player transcripts can be found here.

Owner Jimmy Haslam

No matter what owner Jimmy Haslam says, there’s no way around it: The Browns have stunk under his watch, and much of the problem stems from a lack of consistency. Haslam realizes his past errors, but seems to think the club is headed in the right direction.
“Dee (Haslam) and I are really excited about where we are as a franchise. I think we’ve been very open, and we actually told the players this on Thursday afternoon when we talked to the team for a little bit and I’ve said this all to you on numerous occasions. It’s just been a steep learning curve, and like any organization and yours I would suggest is no different, the key is getting the right people in the right place. I think we have done that. We feel really good about the personnel side [...] and feel really good about the coaching staff – obviously, it starts with Hue but also the staff he’s put together. I can tell you and I think you all sense that you’re at practice and around enough to see there is a noticeable difference in our building both in terms of energy level and equally as important in terms of collaboration and how well everyone is working together. We’re excited about it. At the same time, we’re realistic [...] This is a franchise that has not drafted well over the years, and that of course is how you build a good football team. We are cautiously optimistic about the draft we had last year. We have a lot of picks coming up next year and hope to position ourselves. We will have a lot of picks in ’18. The takeaway should be we’re very excited, we’re cautiously optimistic but the same time realistic about where we stand.”

My apologies for the long quote, but Haslam’s statement is important. As Haslam said, don’t expect the Browns to win a Super Bowl this year. This rebuilding project will take at least 3-5 years, which Haslam seems to understand. That’s a good thing.

For whatever trouble Josh Gordon has caused, Haslam seems happy to have him back. His statements seem to confirm reports that Haslam, among others, pushed Roger Goodell to reinstate Gordon.
“We have a history with Josh. We haven’t seen him in a year and a half, almost two years. He hasn’t played in a long time. I know there was a lot of consternation over his leg injury. I personally think – this is me talking – it’s a blessing. I think Josh needs to come in here, get reoriented, learn his teammates, learn the new coaching staff, learn the plays and get his life settled. We certainly appreciate the NFL allowing him to be in the building during that time period, which I think is crucial. These players need structure, particularly ones that have struggled a little bit with life issues so I think having Josh in the building will be a really good thing for him. Everybody in the organization is going to do everything they can to help Josh be successful, but Josh at the same time ultimately has to make good decisions. If he does, then he’ll be with us a long time, and if he doesn’t, he understands the repercussions.”

Following previous mishaps, the Haslams will be much more involved going forward. For better or worse, the Haslams will be around much more in Berea.
“Dee and I have now positioned our businesses in Tennessee where we are here a great deal more. The business side will report to the two of us. We’ve kind of divided things up. It’s been educational and good for us. We’ve needed to learn more about that side of the business and I think have. We have no plans to do anything different any time soon.”

Measuring success during a rebuild is critical, and this regime change is no different. However, Haslam remained vague on the question of what will constitute a successful season.
“Listen, we could win four or five games and feel good about things or we could win eight – I’ve said that every year we’ll all know when we stand here on January 1 if we are improving as a football team. Like I said, we’re going to have a young team. You’ll see a lot of these young guys today. We’re going to have a young team next year because we’ve got another 11 or 12 picks.”

In talking about Robert Griffin III, Haslam stressed patience. The owner also praised Jackson in the process.
“He’s obviously a tremendous athlete. He’s been a model person since he’s been here, worked hard and he’s early in his career and showed potential to be a big time quarterback. Somebody asked about Hue, there were a lot of reasons we hired Hue, but his expertise is on the offensive side of the football and specifically in developing quarterbacks. You all see where he is in practice most of the time. Where is he? Standing right behind the quarterback, heavily coaching them hands on. Hue can have a very positive impact. I think all of us need to be patient with Robert. He hasn’t played in two years and he’s still only 26-years old.”

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Following the first day of hitting, Jackson said he’s “very happy” with his football team. His opening statement echoed his positive sentiments from the two previous days.
“It was just another day, but we were able to finally kind of run into each other a little bit. That’s what is going to take us to where we need to be. We’ll be smart about it. We don’t want to lose anybody, but at the same time, I think we all recognize and understand the hazards of playing in the National Football League. We’ll be as smart as we can be, but we have to have some very spirited, physical practices as we move forward just to get our football team where I think we need to be and I thought the guys did a great job today.”

The unique part about Jackson’s camp is the unscripted live periods indicated by a “siren” before the start of the hitting period. So far, so good, says Jackson.
“They’re unscripted. They don’t know when they’re coming. They just can show up at any time. That’s what the siren is for. I thought they responded well, and I thought they were excited about it. I think there was enthusiasm about it and I think they understand the purpose of it now.”

At one point during practice, one player apparently made contact with the quarterback. Jackson made it very clear that hitting the quarterback will not be tolerated.
“Nobody touches a quarterback. It’s just that simple. We don’t touch our quarterback, ever. The guy apologized. We have to do a good job at quarterback of making sure we take care of ourselves, too, but I don’t want anybody around the quarterback that way.”

For the third straight day, the Browns flirted with a position change, this time switching Alvin Bailey from left tackle to right tackle. From Jackson’s quote, Bailey might start over Shon Coleman and Austin Pasztor.
“He’s played left tackle and now we have him playing right tackle. He’s athletic. He’s physical. He likes to kind of grind, but again, he’ll be the first to tell you there are some areas he needs to continue to improve and get better. Eventually, when it’s all said and done, we’re going to put the best five guys out there for our football team to give us the best chance to win. He’s one of them right now, but we’ll continue to evaluate that group as we move forward.”

Other interesting tidbits include: Jackson saying wideout Terrelle Pryor has done an “outstanding job,” defensive back Jamar Taylor is “very talented,” and fullback Malcolm Johnson will enter the concussion protocol after a big hit today. From highlights I saw, Pryor had a nice day of practice, making a few nice catches. Rookie Corey Coleman also hauled in a nice deep ball.
OL Alvin Bailey

Coming from the Seahawks, Bailey will have some adjustments to make. But the fourth-year tackle is stoked to pave the way for a physical rushing attack.
“That’s the thing, [Jackson] has a plan and you stick to it. We have certain things from timing to routes and blocks and things like that and it’s all planned out. You just have to stick to the plan and stick to the scheme. The run game, we’re really excited about that. We’ve got some great runners and we’re excited up front to be physical and knock some holes in the line for them.”

DL Xavier Cooper

Defensive line coach Robert Nunn has advised Cooper to avoid “shooting first and aiming second.” Instead, Cooper is working to take a smarter approach, while remaining aggressive off the ball.
“I’ve been known for my get off. Sometimes, I’m so quick to get off the ball and I’m just quick to throw anything. Right now, it’s just getting off the ball, slowing it down, and like I said, that comes with experience and reps. That’s why we’re out here doing right now. We have a short window of time before the season starts. I’m just trying to fine tune my technique and get better so when Sundays come, I’m trusted by the coaches to go out there and that they’re going to put me out there to do what I do.”

DL Carl Nassib

Of the players who have spoken to the media, Nassib might be the most shy. Reporters asked the rookie 10 questions, and Nassib responded to eight of them with two-line answers. However, the lineman did provide a bit of insight into why the team is trying him at the interior defensive line.
“Versatility. The more versatile you are, the more value you bring to your team. I like the fact that I’m being used inside and outside.”

That’s it for today’s Clips and Quips. The Browns will be back in action tomorrow with practice starting at 3 p.m. in Berea, and we’ll have full coverage here on DBN.

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It appears RGIII had a good day, that's good news particularly in light of the fact they were in pads tackling on some of those drills ( I assume). thumbsup



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I really am loving what the line coach had to say about Danny. I'm actually starting to generate some high expectations with Shelton. I was happy with the pick, not thrilled with his season... but the weight loss and the new scheme and blah blah blah - boy, it'd sure be nice to see a high round draft pick do something here. Something positive.

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Here's an article that also seems positive, covering areas of concern(center & D-line). I know it's early, but it's still good news that these guys are improving.


5 things to know from Day 3 of Browns training camp

Patrick Maks
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Danny Shelton's 'outstanding' start, Cam Erving's growth, Carl Nassib's first training camp

Day 3 of training camp was as intense as advertised, as the Browns on Sunday suited up full pads for the first time since January. The afternoon was filled with big plays, live tackling and plenty of fans on hand to watch a feisty practice.

“It was just another day, but we were able to finally kind of run into each other a little bit and I think that’s what it’s going to take to get us to where we need to be,” first-year coach Hue Jackson said on Sunday.

“We’ll be smart about it, we don’t want to lose anybody but at the same time, I think we all recognize and understand the hazards of playing in the National Football League and we’ll be as smart as we can be.

“We have to have some very spirited, physical practices as we move forward just to get our football team where we need to be and I thought the guys did a great job today.”
Without further ado, here’s five things to know from Sunday afternoon’s session:
Leading by example

As the Browns continue training camp in hopes of establishing an identity — something Jackson spoke about on Saturday — he heaped praise on veterans like left tackle Joe Thomas, outside linebacker Paul Kruger and cornerback Tramon Williams for their leadership.​

Because of their example, Jackson said, the team can have practices as productive and positive as Sunday's session.

“I’m very happy with our football team, our coaching staff. I’m really very happy with a lot of our veteran players because they really allowed our coaches to coach them," he said.

"Starting from Joe Thomas, Kruger, Tramon Williams, guys who have been in this league a long time, I asked them to just kind of follow the process and trust what we’re trying to build here.

"When you have guys go all in, it’s very easy to go out and compete and practice the way we did."

Confidence in Cam

Cameron Erving appears poised to start at center after a strong offseason in which he grew on and off the field. The 2015 first-round draft pick continues to grow and develop in training camp, leaning on the support of the coaching staff and his teammates.
“He’ll get to where he needs to be,” offensive line coach Hal Hunter said. “I’ve got a lot of confidence in him.”

After all, Erving is surrounded by the likes of Thomas, Joel Bitonio and John Greco.
“He’s got two experienced guards playing next to him so the communication has been really good between the whole offensive line, everybody’s communicating, everybody's talking,” Hunter said.

And in the Browns offense, Erving will have help reading the defense and making calls as see fit to put the team in the best position possible.

“He makes some initial points, but there’s other things that we’re asking the offensive lineman in terms of recognition to help him with and I’ve done that every place I’ve ever been. I had an All-Pro center in San Diego, but I still had other people making calls,” Hunter said.

“Our system’s a little different than it’s been in the past, we don’t put everything on the century. The center directs us and we all share responsibility to get us where we need to be.”

Nunn impressed by D-Line and Shelton's ‘outstanding start’

In the wake of Desmond Bryant's pectoral surgery, the Browns have made it clear they’ll have to find a way to replace the veteran defensive end on and off the field. One player who might play a key role in doing that is second-year nose tackle Danny Shelton, who has spoken of taking on leadership role in a young defensive line room.

Defensive line coach Robert Nunn on Sunday said the 2015 first-round draft pick is off to a good start and then some.

“When I first walked in the door, I told Danny he could change the way we play defense himself just by buying in, getting himself in great condition and playing with a hot motor,” Nunn said.

“Since that day that I’ve talked to him, he’s done nothing but that. In the weight room, off the field with his diet, training throughout the summer, staying in touch with the people that are working with him, he’s done exactly that. So far, it has shown.”
Indeed, Shelton slimmed down this spring and enters training camp poised to be an impact player on the Browns defense.

“He’s got a different skillset than most people in this league. He’s such a powerful man. He’s a big body who has a lot of quickness and power. I couldn’t be more pleased with him right now. He just have to keep doing what he’s doing,” Nunn said.

“I told him that when we were in meetings this morning. He wants to know this and wants know how. You keep doing exactly what you’re doing and buying into what we’re trying to do and again, he can be the one as much as anybody out here, can change how we play defense.’”

Nunn added the entire defensive line — players such as Nassib, Emmanuel Ogbah, Xavier Cooper, John Hughes III — have impressed him thus far.

“There is no one that has shown up that hasn’t bought in that I don’t feel comfortable about,” he said.

Diligent Drango

Rookie offensive lineman Spencer Drango said he planned on spending his summer break with his head in the playbook. That approach has continued into training camp, as the former Baylor standout and All American learns the finer points of playing multiple positions.

“This is what happens in the NFL, if you’re not a starter in the offensive line, you can’t play just one position because you’re not valuable enough. If you’re dressing seven or eight guys, you’ve got to be able to play more than one position,” offensive line coach Hal Hunter said.

“If you’re not a starter, you’ve got to be able to play more than one position. And he’s a smart guy, he’s very diligent. Bed check the other night, at 11:30, he’s in his room studying. So that tells you something about a guy, he’s going to have to do a couple things and he’s shown that he can do it.”

'Versatile' Nassib's first training camp

After missing some time during offseason workouts because of injury, rookie defensive end Carl Nassib said he’s happy to be healthy.

“It feels great to be back out here. Missing time is not anybody’s ideal situation, but I’m just really happy to be back out there,” Nassib said Sunday. I’m working on some new skills and getting better.”

Drafted in the third round this spring, Nassib had a monster senior season at Penn State, notching 15.5 sacks and 19.5 tackles for the loss to become an All American and the 2015 Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year.

As a result, the Browns hope Nassib can be equally effective in pressuring the quarterback and bolstering a pass rush that struggled last year. He said defensive coordinator Ray Horton and defensive line coach Robert Nunn have him working on the inside and outside of the defensive line in hopes of giving them the best idea of where he might be most effective.

“The more versatile you are, the more value you bring to your team,” he said. “I like the fact that I’m being used inside and outside.”

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Why Cameron Erving's drill partner is good news for the Browns' offensive line

Scott Patsko

BEREA, Ohio – As the Browns wrapped up their morning walk-through on Sunday, offensive line coach Hal Hunter asked his linemen to pick a season-long partner for hand drills.

Pro Bowl left tackle Joe Thomas certainly could've picked anybody. But instead of fellow veteran John Greco or even Joel Bitonio, his partner on the left side of the line, Thomas picked Cameron Erving.

"He went to Cam because he figures that's a guy who can benefit from his experience," said Hunter. "He takes Cam over there. He's working with his hands and all that. He does a great job coaching and mentoring the younger guys. Trying to use his experience."

During mini-camp in April, Erving called last season's struggles a learning experience. And although he pointed out how center came relatively easy to him in college, he hasn't played the position in the NFL.

How well Erving transitions from guard to center is likely to impact the offensive line more than anything this season. Not only is he replacing veteran center Alex Mack, who signed with Atlanta during the offseason, Erving played just five games at center in college.

"Playing center, it's like climbing Mount Everest," said Hunter. "You take one step after the next after the next, but as long as he continues to trend in a positive direction, he'll get where he needs to be."

Spending quality time with Thomas will surely help, but Hunter said the Browns' system will be a bit different than in years past. Erving will have a support system in which all the linemen share responsibility.

"(Erving) makes some initial points, but there are other things we're asking the offensive linemen to do in recognition," said Hunter. "I've done that every place I've ever been. I had a Pro Bowl center in San Diego, but I still had other people making calls.

"The center directs us, but we all share responsibility to get us where we need to be."

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I just watched several video from yesterday's TC and liked what I saw. Even though they were a small sampling, there was a lot of energy, contact drills, and tackling. I went to camp last year and was severely disappointed by what I saw. Players standing around, cream puff drills, no contact at all and severely low energy. FWIW, there seems to be a huge difference in how camp is run this year versus past years, especially last year.


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There is a noticeable amount of energy compared to the past few years, which is where good things start


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Cleveland Browns Scribbles: 20 thoughts from Berea starting with Robert Griffin III -- Terry Pluto

BEREA, Ohio -- Scribbles in my Cleveland Browns notebook after watching Sunday's first practice in pads:

1. Robert Griffin III had a solid day, making some nice throws off the run. He had one long scamper for about 30 yards, then ran out-of-bounds. No one is allowed to hit a quarterback in practice. I'm not saying it was great, but he certainly was better than in many of the spring practices.

2. Griffin is still learning Hue Jackson's offense, and the Browns coach is learning Griffin. I was not a huge fan of bringing in Griffin, but I also believed Jackson should have a strong say in picking a quarterback. His positive history with quarterbacks from Joe Flacco to Andy Dalton to Jason Campbell give him credibility.

3. That's right, Jason Campbell. Jackson was Oakland's offensive coordinator in 2010 and head coach in 2011. He called the plays both years. Campbell had an 11-7 record with 19 TD passes, 12 interceptions and an 84.4 rating in those two seasons. Campbell's problem with Oakland was not staying healthy.

4. That's why the Griffin experiment is worth it. The last thing Jackson wants to do is fail in his second chance as a head coach. The same is true of Griffin, who might be receiving his last real chance to salvage his career. So both men have a lot on the line, and I'm curious to see what happens. We won't know a lot about Griffin until we see him in some preseason games where the quarterbacks are actually being hit.

5. Most of Griffin's passes were short to medium throws, but he connected on a 50-yard heave to Terrelle Pryor. That also showed how the 6-foot-4 Pryor could use his size to make a big catch. He was well covered on the play by Jamar Taylor. A former second-round pick by Miami in 2013, Taylor has had some nice moments in coverage during the first three practices.

6. Jackson's offense features a lot of motion and creating open targets for short passes -- helping the quarterback get rid of the ball quickly. Jackson is working on Griffin's confidence: "He's still Robert Griffin, the same guy who came out (of Baylor) in 2012 -- but wiser. He's been through a lot of systems, a lot of different things. I think he's growing by leaps and bounds."

7. Jackson has been preparing Griffin to open the season as the starter from the moment the Browns signed him. Fine with me. Pick a quarterback, work with him. If he fails, you can always turn to veteran Josh McCown later. McCown doesn't need a lot of intense preparation to start. He knows how to handle the backup-to-starter change.

8. Terrell Watson from Azusa Pacific impressed with some powerful runs. The 6-foot-1, 240-pounder was on the Bengals practice squad last season. Jackson likes him. He is worth watching in camp.

9. Isaiah Crowell also had some very good carries. He signed a lot of autographs after practice. Fan reaction was positive to him.

10. Dating back to last season, I've liked Darius Jennings. The undrafted free agent caught 14 passes in four games last season. He has looked good in training camp. He's battling rookie mid-round draft picks Jordan Payton, Rashard Higgins and Ricardo Louis for the attention of the coaches.

11. Joe Thomas is working with Cameron Erving. Offensive line coach Hal Hunter made a point of mentioning how Thomas wants to help the second-year center with learning defenses and the nuances of the NFL. Hunter added that Cameron: "Said he wanted to approach the game like a quarterback, the same mentality ... he's got the right mindset."

12. Spencer Drango has been playing at different spots along the offensive line. The All-American from Baylor has impressed the coaches with his work ethic. Hunter talked about Drango studying his playbook when the team recently had an 11:30 p.m. bed check. Hunter said you need a backup lineman capable of playing several spots along the line. Drango was a left tackle at Baylor. Many scouts thought his best position would be guard in the NFL.

13. Chris Kirksey had some excellent hits. The Browns believe he can take a major step forward at inside linebacker this season. It's his third year, and that's when most players either establish themselves as starters or end up as backups. Obviously, stars glitter much earlier in their careers. But for third-round picks such as Kirksey, now is the time.

14. Rookie Carl Nassib sometimes was positioned in the middle of the defensive line and the 6-foot-7 lineman from Penn State batted down a pass and showed some quickness. The coaches are trying to find the best spot to use the Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year. He was mostly a pass rusher in college, and the Browns want him to line up at different spots along the line. His natural spot is defensive end.

15. Barkevious Mingo looks like the same Barkevious Mingo who was a first-round pick in 2013. He's out there, but he just doesn't catch your attention. For players such as Mingo who have been in the league a few years, the pressure is on to perform. His roster spot is not guaranteed. Defensive coordinator Ray Horton did coach Mingo as a rookie in 2013 and believes he can find a role for him -- but Mingo has to deliver.

16. The Browns drafted USC tight end Randall Telfer in 2015 knowing he was likely to miss the year because of a foot injury. He was a sixth-round pick. He made a nice catch Sunday and the coaches are intrigued.

17. Defensive line coach Robert Nunn has been happy with 335-pound Danny Shelton, who lost 30 pounds earlier in the year and has kept the weight off: "He's such a powerful man. He's a big body who has a lot of quickness and power. I couldn't be more pleased with him right now."

18. If Shelton can anchor the middle of the 3-4 defense, that sets up rookies Emmanuel Ogbah and Nassib to play some defensive end -- especially in pass-rush situations. Veteran John Hughes and second-year man Xavier Cooper also are very important with Desmond Bryant injured. I also like Jamie Meder as a nose tackle. The Browns have brought in Nick Hayden, an eight-year veteran, for depth on the line.

19. The fans and players seem to enjoy the sirens blaring and players scrambling to get ready for full-contact football. It's a fun gimmick.

20. You can see the Browns wanting to run the ball. A lot of the full-contact drills featured running plays. That was not the case in the past.

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It appears RGIII had a good day, that's good news particularly in light of the fact they were in pads tackling on some of those drills ( I assume). thumbsup



Yea everyone wants RG3 to just come out and win this competition cleanly. doesnt do anyone any good if he is handed the job this was just great news that he is starting to show he belongs.

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13. Chris Kirksey had some excellent hits. The Browns believe he can take a major step forward at inside linebacker this season. It's his third year, and that's when most players either establish themselves as starters or end up as backups. Obviously, stars glitter much earlier in their careers. But for third-round picks such as Kirksey, now is the time.


Kirksey has flashed in the past, if he could step it up this year it would go a long way toward solidifying the middle.

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15. Barkevious Mingo looks like the same Barkevious Mingo who was a first-round pick in 2013. He's out there, but he just doesn't catch your attention. For players such as Mingo who have been in the league a few years, the pressure is on to perform. His roster spot is not guaranteed. Defensive coordinator Ray Horton did coach Mingo as a rookie in 2013 and believes he can find a role for him -- but Mingo has to deliver.


So much about success is "want to" and you just get the feeling Mingo doesn't have much of it, that he's just drifting. Unless he comes on explosively in the next several weeks, it may be time to cut ties. I wonder if they've considered working him in the middle.

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20. You can see the Browns wanting to run the ball. A lot of the full-contact drills featured running plays. That was not the case in the past.


Last year when we went to camp we sat right in front of the RBs. It was ridiculous how lackadaisical the drills were. They just trotted through the motions. It was particularly disturbing because Montgomery had called out the RBs a day or two prior, yet he was the one leading the drills. Glad to see a different attitude this year.





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not good news for Mingo if he's still just "out there"


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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15. Barkevious Mingo looks like the same Barkevious Mingo who was a first-round pick in 2013. He's out there, but he just doesn't catch your attention. For players such as Mingo who have been in the league a few years, the pressure is on to perform. His roster spot is not guaranteed. Defensive coordinator Ray Horton did coach Mingo as a rookie in 2013 and believes he can find a role for him -- but Mingo has to deliver.

This is NOT what I wanted to hear.

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+1, I'm pulling for Mingo because he's high character guy....but, he's been laided back, not aggressive forever, don't think he has makeup of NFL LB....see him gone!!!!


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I do too. Mingo never even reached Wimbley territory with us. Just a total bust. I also realize it was the worst draft class basically ever


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I was a fan as Kirksey when he was college draft prospect. Dude has rare speed for an ILB, but he's not a stack and shed type of thumper that's gonna come down hill and bang against FB/OL all game.
His success will have a lot to do with how Horton uses the DL in front of the ILB. In a 2-gap front that use the SILB to take on blocks and keep the WILB clean I think he could excel as the WILB.

But in a 1-gap front or in scheme that requires both ILB to take on blocks from FB/OL consistently I think he'll be less effective.


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Yeah, Kirksey is good in space. Good covering receiving threats. Not good in the box or filling.


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I like what I've seen of him in coverage, and he gets after the RBs. I haven't really paid attention to him taking on blocks. Something to watch for. Thanks.


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As we discussed in a few threads leading up to the draft, teams played nickle on almost 2/3 of the snaps last year. That percentage has increased every year for multiple years. It will probably increase again.

Thus, I think it isn't the smartest thing for some peeps to get concerned about where they are playing Ogbah. I think we will see him as an edge guy in our nickel packages a lot this year. I could be wrong, but that is where--and how--I envisioned him when I pimped him a bit before the draft.


Well obviously we lost Bryant for the season. Our best DL pass rusher.

I think also we still will utilize Mingo and Kruger especially with Horton's success with Kruger in the past.

In that nickel situation I agree but I see a double edge being set up. With Cooper and Ogbah on the 5 techs and Kruger with Mingo in 7 or 9...I think a key is how Shelton progresses as in if he can collapse the under belly of the pocket it makes a good formula!

In all honesty I have faith in Haden getting back to form but the coverage of the rest makes me value pressure much more than usually...I don't think we get many coverage sacks this year!

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didn't know where to put this.

The surprise of camp so far has been at TE.

Conner Hamlett 6'7" 259 entering his 2nd year Spent most of the season on practice squads of like 4 teams including the Browns Dec. 8th on. UDFA from 2015

But supposedly he's a big target and is catching everything thrown his way.

Just throwing it out there as many have been wondering who will take that 2nd TE spot if we got 2 TE in the Red zone.



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