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The only thing I disagree with in the video is at the end when he says it is better to be educated than opinionated.

He would never make it in DawgTalkers land!

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How to inform a cop you have a pizza...and live...maybe

What do you know? That's the same advice I've given for any cop stop.

Me too but I found this video says it better.

I was shocked at Deisels vid. Man you talk about forcing the guy with the gun to make split second decisions about your life, crazy! Frightening!

Nice article. It's good to know what your rights are when you are stopped. Everybody should do some research on that. The only thing I would add is that sometimes it's better to just err on the side of using common sense and having courtesy.

Sometimes I see these videos of people stopped who are 'exercising their rights' to open their window a tiny crack, and only answer the questions they are legally obligated to like their identity. Then they repeat "Am I being detained or am I free to go?" like a robot. Cringe-worthy.


edit: I should add that I understand the idea behind that in regards to not incriminating yourself. I just think there's usually a better approach where you can act more normal, for lack of a better term, while also still not incriminating yourself.

Or on the campaign trail with Trump.

Your rights are good in a Court of Law.

Your rights are useless when you have led in your head.

Do not fight the Cop, your day comes in court.

Learn to live to fight another day!

We can educate all we want. There are those who will resist authority at any cost. Then there are those who will complain about the results.

So basically, in that situation, stay calm and use common sense? Is that what the Youtube guy is saying?

Nail on the head Cjrae, I am beginning to think it is all about people who resist any kind of authority.

j/c

It's a shame we have to remind each other that yes, a cop can loose their temper just like anyone else.

If anyone else loses their temper you can usually deal with it but when faced with an irate cop, your life is on the line!
Please don't eat led, even if you are right.

Why is it a shame to remind anybody that all people are human?

I always thought the best way was to jump out of your car and run back to the cop car waving it at them so they can see it...

Yes. Don't force the guy with the gun to have to make split second decisions on whether or not to kill you.

Some people, well ex-people, agree with that strategy.

Traffic stops
On the lighter side...

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4d2_1469985590

https://www.facebook.com/shaunking/videos/1089079334464317/

I bet half of y'all won't watch the video

This is the BS blacks deal with on a daily basis. Cops got a cam on and still steady lying.

No warrant for arrest, not the same dude, never asked for ID, but the cops go "he looks like Michael".

So while y'all steady high fiving each other in this dumbass threads, remember: it's easy to judge when you're not black and don't have to live through BS like this.

If Michael was white and I got pulled over looking just like him, would I possibly be detained?

Several of those cops should lose their jobs over that, period. Completely lying and even referencing that the camera will prove his innocence, what a moron. Sad and disturbing.

Well yeah, you possibly would be detained. Probably not, but I'm sure it's possible. You certainly wouldn't be detained after you identified yourself. And that's what makes all the difference.

He didn't even look close to the same as the guy they were looking for! Why didn't they ask for his ID? Get the ID and the confrontation is resolved in less than 5 seconds.

Oh, I agree but are you saying it couldn't happen to a white guy?

I've seen this one a few times now.

I'm done trying to tell people how often this happens. I've even written on these boards how it happened to one of my best friends out in Arizona. It went much worse for Byron... his face was unrecognizable in the 'after' photos.

National Merit Scholar.
Page at the Indiana State House.
Salutatorian at Ball State.
Former member of the National Symphony Orchestra.
No wants, no warrants, no arrest record.

Stopped for a 'moving violation' (burned-out license plate light- that was miraculously working AFTER the stop).

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Folks around here should know me by now. They should know that I'm not some knee-jerk radicalized reactionary, nor am I some anti-police demagogue. When I talk about these things, I'm not assuming the role of "race-baiter," rabble rouser or pot-stirrer. All my posts have been sincere alarms to an audience who may not have even realized how pervasive this really is.

If we truly do have a constitution that's worth the paper upon which it's written, if all men are truly created equal, every American citizen has a vested interest in seeing things like this stopped.

Better training?
Better oversight?
More stringent hiring standards?

I'm fresh out of ideas... and I'm tired of a society routinely excusing bad decisions by bad cops in an effort to 'protect' all cops.

I'll be interested to see what happens as this case moves forward. Hope this young man gets the opportunity to continue his life path. If he ends up deeper into The System because of this, it would truly be a miscarriage.

Perfect example of 'the trap.'

History tells us no. However, since you're posing it as a hypothetical, then yes it could happen. A gigantic meteorite could also destroy a police station, killing tens of officers, and we could then charge that meteorite with a hate crime. That is a possibility of life, however it's also extremely doubtful.

So you are telling me for it to happen to a white guy is as rare as hen's teeth and I could not possibly post link after link of the very same thing happening to white folks throughout Georgia, WV, Pa, Ohio, on and on?

So why haven't you posted a link or links? Only a liar or a cheat would rely on hypotheticals instead of on facts.

Well, society and people on this board say there are more good cops than bad.

I guess the those good cops mainly work in the suburbs.

How rare is it to have a good cop in the hood? They are so rare that when one is a good cop, he gets national attention for it. The dancing cop at the BLM cook out, for example.

Because I will not take the time to post links to prove that this hypothetical accusation of racism is just that.

Bad Police work yes, Racism is known only to the officers as it would be what was in their minds at the time of the arrest.

I find no evidence of racism until such time as the Police officer admits he acted out of racism. Until then it is only an emotional reaction to the events by Swish.

I rest my case.

Bro, I agree with you that the whole thing was BS. But, I think the things Patrick did was typical in a lot of these cases. As the video which started this thread explains, don't do anything to give them any cause to think you're trouble.

The first thing Patrick did wrong was to hesitate when asked his name. When first asked for his name he answered with the question, "Why are you askin'?" An officer ALWAYS wants to know who you are. Why didn't he just tell them his name? They had to ask that simple question twice. When he did answer with his name he gave only his first name.

That alone is cause for suspicion. When told to stand up he did. When told to turn around and put his hands on the car instead of doing that he stands defiant asking, "What happened?", "What'd I do?". He then sat back down in the car instead of simply following orders. "Y'all didn't tell me: What'd I do, man?". He goes on to say, "I just came back from my probation officer", as he grabs the steering wheel in resistance. That's when the officer says, "Taze him."

At this point Patrick has done nothing the officer asked him to do except give his name and he hesitated doing that until asked a second time. It's not like he didn't understand the question when first asked. That in itself is suspicious. Once your name has been established and that you don't have a weapon a reasonable verbal exchange can begin. But all that resistance is cause for suspicion and leads to a confrontation.

He doesn't follow any orders from the officer, verbally refuses to get up out of the car, asks for a warrant, puts his foot up in defiance to keep the officer away, says "Y'all aren't telling me what's going on, man.", then tries to close the car door to keep the officers away. How much more non-compliant and resistive does an innocent man act?

Then he gets hit with a tazer.

I'm not completely certain but I'm betting that if when he was first asked his name he immediately answered, "Patrick Mumford", and then stood up and put his hands on the car so the officer could pat him down for a weapon he would then have been asked for his I.D. Producing that the whole issue would have been settled, as it was in the end, with Patrick having said nothing more than his whole name when asked and then allowing the pat down.

To me, this is the type of resistive, suspicious behavior that causes a lot of these interactions to go bad.

I've seen many, many videos in which blacks were unfairly treated from the get but this was not one of them. The video stopping and adding the typed words are biased as hell.

When an officer makes a stop you have to allow him to be in charge from the beginning, especially if you're innocent. Answer the questions, do what you're told until the officer is sure he is safe and you are not combative. How hard is that for an adult to do? The instant negative responses to simple questions or commands is seen as resisting authority and the encounter will not play out well.

Had he immediately given his full name, complied to the pat down, he'd have never been tazed and then, producing his I.D. would have had the same effect it did have, which was totally diffusing the situation, without all the nonsense that led up to it.

If Patrick Mumford suffers any ill effects in his near future due to this incident he can only blame himself.

Like I said, I've seen many videos of unfair police treatment of blacks. This was not one of them. Patrick created this himself.

I guess black people all look alike.

Maybe that's what he is saying, but it's not what I'm trying to get across. CHS can speak (very well) for himself.

What I'm saying is this: if it could happen to this young man, if it could happen to my friend, it could happen to someone you know and love, too. That should scare last night's dinner out of you, no matter WHAT you look like.

As do whites and hispanics and asians and and and...

Bad Police work does not Racism make.

You owe an apology to all the other races now.

Bro that's some horse crap. You really just sat there and defended this?

The cop had no warrant for his arrest. He ask to see the warrant, they didn't show it. It wasn't even the guy they was looking for.

The cop NEVER asked for ID.

This is why there's so much hostility between cops, cop supporters, and the black community.

You can even swallow your pride and call this what it is: police brutality.

Yes, Bad Police Work is bad for every citizen and this is not an issue of race.

I don't owe an apologia to anybody.

All whites or Hispanics do not look alike.

Take that bigot crap somewhere else.

Bad Police work Swish. Not Racism unless the cop says he detained the guy because he hates blacks. Fact Bro.