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he's a good persuader when he can free lance at press conferences.

debating on this stage is a completely different animal. he will get asked "how" multiple times.

simple saying "make america great" isn't gonna fly.

also, how many times has Trump threatened to "spill the beans" only for nothing to appear?

has last "disturbing information" was a lame attempt to try and claim that Cruz's father had something to do with an assassination.

he's gonna get smoked.

Not sure how to post this pic but here is a link.


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It worked for Obama with "change we can believe in"

Here's how I see it today: We've heard all about how terrible Trump is. It's everywhere......media for the most part are/is in Hillary's pocket.

But, Trump has withstood it so far. How, I don't know.

Hillary's time is coming. Read recently that the Clinton foundation is being audited for a "pay to play" scheme. Illegal as hell under the 501c3 rules. She/it is being investigated.

Course, it's the IRS doing the investigating, so I'm sure nothing will come of it.

But, if Trump educates himself on all of Hillary's shortcomings and cheating the system.....some people might sit up and take notice.

Hillary is a lying wench. If she and Trump get into it bad, it might open the door for Johnson.

Hillary is like Trump, until something actually takes her down, people will take a "see it to believe it" approach. However, I keep emphasizing this about both sides supporters, the general election is not the same as the primaries.

Trump supporters will not convert Hillary supporters and vice versa. You want the truly gray area. Not the people that claim they're in the gray area and actually do have their mind made up.

The bases will not budge. Now it's time to see where the independents and the disenfranchised land. That will determine the outcome.

Something else Trump needs to be careful with. He has a habit of saying "I heard someone speak / write about something." Hosts of the debates are going to ask him to get specific and say name at least 2 sources.

Hillary will get grilled non-stop about Benghazi and her servers. Hopefully, the debate hosts realize Hillary will be too well rehearsed on that. If you keep asking a question someone spends months preparing for, you let her skate by on other issues.

If trump wants a real shot at a punch during the debates, he needs to grill her about trying to overturn citizens United.

That would make him a true outsider that he claims he is, and also forcing Hillary into instant damage control.

He has withstood it because he is a great persuader, and he represents a lot of people out there who feel their voices have been silenced for too long. Hillary doesn't really represent anybody. It's strange how few people I know that actually support her. I know more Bernie supporters by far.

Most of Hillary voters are just NeverTrumpers. Maybe a similar point can be made the other way around, but I don't think it's to the same extent. I do know quite a few Trump supporters. Most of them are just regular dudes that work and don't create conflict. That's probably the simplest (but still accurate) way to describe most of them.

One more point about the debates, I do think the timing is bad for Trump. The NFL pulls in monster ratings; mediocre regular season prime time games have regularly outdrawn world series games in recent years. Beyond that, football is known to draw mostly conservative viewers. The timing for two of the three debates sure is convenient for the Clinton camp, who appear to be trying to hide Hillary-- she has not done a single press conference in 2016.

Mike McCurry is a co-chair on the Commission on Presidential Debates. He also just so happens to be the former press secretary of the Bill Clinton administration. In the interest of full disclosure, it is a bipartisan commission and the other co-chair is a Republican, but certainly nobody with such close connections to Trump.

Johnson doesn't have a chance. I know people like the idea of a 3rd party coming in, heck I like the idea, but it's not going to happen. People don't want to admit that they are going to vote for Trump or Hillary but when the election comes, the large majority of voters will vote for Trump or Hillary.

Agreed.

It's not hard making Hillary look bad. Trump needs to just stop making himself look bad.

If you're not in a swing state, vote for a 3rd party because your voice gets heard, but it won't hurt anything. If you're in a swing state, it's Clinton or Trump.

IMHO, the time for 3rd party viability isn't right now.... it STARTS now, however.

Movements take a long time to gather momentum, and the inertia created by Sanders (and Trump) need time to gather steam. The growing sense of dissatisfaction felt by many voters needs a charismatic figurehead with a focused message and relentless 4-year campaign.

It's important for those Berners and independents to hit the ground running for the 2020 campaign. It prob won't be Bernie next time, and the candidate CANNOT come from the ranks of either establishment party. They must have a message that's an amalgam of Sanders and Trump, and it must always be about The Little Guy. Period. If they are smart, focused and diligent, 15% should be no problem. They could get a TON of Indies, Berners, AND Trumpers... because the one thing they all have in common: they HATE the establishment parties.

A 4-year push starting NOW could change the political landscape drastically. I'm afreaid that either Johnson or Stein are coming on too little/too late for this election. Not just because of media exposure, but because of raw numbers.

Folks NEED to recognize the name(s) long before the primaries, so they aren't saying "who?"


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Bah! President Trump will ban third Parties and the lying scum in them! Bah!

that man... he so funnnnny....

You make good points. A lot comes down to what someone's goals are. I do think that there are some people who will vote for Hillary that are pushing for a third party just on the grounds that Gary Johnson is the most popular alternative candidate, and most of the Libertarian vote would otherwise vote Republican. There is just more commonality between Libertarians and Conservatives than there are between Libertarians and Liberals, despite the names.

Jill Stein does balance this a little bit, but I see Gary Johnson polling at 7.2% and Jill Stein at 3.5%. I also see Trump as a reasonable candidate (forgive me Clem!) so I don't feel the need to go out of my way to promote a third party. Not this election anyway. Of course, I am not even 100% decided myself. I would rather hear what the candidates say the next few months and see how things play out. I am leaving the Gary Johnson and the stay-at-home cards on the table.

Trump is also great at telling the world how he destroyed his opponent(s) in the debates, so even if he didn't, the polling indicates that he did.

It's really quite amazing, when I watched some of the earliest Republican debates, and basically Trump had no answers, called names, and "won". He kept telling everyone who would listen that he won, and finally, people just thought that he won.

Scary stuff.

He got a laugh out of me

Trump would call a Press conference and everyone in the Press would come out of fear they would be left out of the Headlines Trump would create.

They don't have to come. They can say, Meh, who is he to call a Press conference, but there they were, fighting over the close seats. Then Trump would give them what they came for, all the while getting free advertising as his opponents had to pay for commercials.

This guy has a talent, an understanding if you will, of how things work. I would like to see him in action if only for four years.

Um, Clem?

Kanye already announced he's running 2020.

That's right!

"Go West, young man!"

All Kanye has to do is run the platform Bernie did and be a extremist liberal.

j/c

It's kinda weird how the media covers some things, and totally dismisses others.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr6CQTECa-w

"Yo, Bernie... I'm really happy for you- Imma let you finish, but Imma provide the freest college education of all time!"

And plus, I just can't stand her cackle. I can't stand her lies. I can't stand the way she nods her head. And what's up with her dressing like the North Korean leader?

She's an old lady. Old ladies (or men) gain weight. Why is she trying (failing) to hide it? Why does she wear suit coats that look like crap, covering her ass?

There isn't one thing I can stand about her. Her lies are the biggest thing though.

If you look at her twitter it says something about being obssesed with pantsuits.
She is also the self proclaimed hair icon.

She's also a liar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr6CQTECa-w

http://www.newsmax.com/TomFitton/cbs-email-servers/2016/08/01/id/741620/

I know full well some people will say "oh, it's FOX, disregard."

Sorry folks, it's not my problem that other media won't tell the truth.

With all the things she's gotten away with over the years, her getting the democrat nomination is more abominable and ludicrous than trump getting the republican nomination.

How anyone could vote for her is beyond me. Well........no, it's not. Suckers comes to mind. Ignorant people and/or those that live off the gov't. Of course they'll vote for her.

Truth is, I can't stand either of them.

Hillary.... crony, rigged the D's and could not/intimidated anyone else to run against her. I insist if she had a legitimate contender (including Sanders who caught fire with the anti-Hillary vote) she would have lost. I suspect Biden will get a stipend from the Clinton foundation for speeches for the rest of his life.

Trump, he has habitual foot in mouth disease, and I dislike him more than Hillary. It is incurable and I can't even think of casting a vote for him.

So that is where we are. Both are terrible candidates.

The time has never been more ripe for a charismatic leader/statesman to coalesce an enormous swath of disenfranchised Americans into a New Party movement.

Here's something I heard Sanders say in a post-convention talk (loose quote): "This isn't the end of the movement. It's the beginning. If Americans truly want to see change that benefits them, they need to involve themselves where it will benefit them the most- run for school board. Run for city council. Attend the meetings. Get vocal. Get involved. And it's especially important for the young people to do this- because they will be inheriting this, and if they wait, it will just be more business as usual."

I couldn't argue or find fault with a single thing he said. Damn... he even had ME starting to think about such things... and I've been pretty apolitical all my life.

My takeaway from what he said: as much as we love to bash 'the other side,' for the most part 'the other side' is the same side. Flip faces of the same mis-minted coin....

...and we've got ourselves to blame for the mess we've allowed to fester in foggy bottom.

WE didn't vote them out.
WE put them in for 6-8 senate/house terms
WE didn't call them on it when they sold their votes to lobbyists
WE sat by for 70 years and watched it happen without lifting a finger.

I think the next charismatic statesman is going to come from the grassroots. Someone who is under Big Gov's radar at present. Someone similar to Bernie Sanders- a guy who grew up poor, and worked his azz off for the same little people in 2016 that he tried to help in 1970.

If such a person comes on, I'm going to give him or her some serious attention. Because this present choice of tweedle dumb and tweedle crazy just isn't going to cut it. Too much is at stake.

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I don't ever want to think about her twitter, twatter, or snatchchat.

Having two horrid candidates should make the time ripe for change. Voters can make a huge statement by bucking the norm and make a real statement in this election. It could lead to great change in how we go about things.

Once again, I encourage folks to take the time to educate themselves about Gary Johnson.

How odd is that, Fox news reporting something negative about a republican. Then again, is Trump really a republican?

I don't know the answer to your question, but NBC reported this morning that Trump raised 36 million in July.. So he's kinda flush again I guess.

Have a hard time endorsing a party who thinks the Civil Rights Act was unnecessary.

That's why I said to research Gary Johnson. Many of his views are not in alignment w/his party. It doesn't hurt to educate oneself on the specifics instead of relying on the generalities.

I keep hearing about the silent majority since the 2012 election.

40 told us the silent majority was gonna put Mitt in office.

I'm starting to think the silent majority is a made up term.

Do you make up things I never said just to draw me in to these discussions?

I said the Conservatives stayed home, leading to Mitts defeat.

I said the Silent Majority would put Trump in office. Who do you think it is that brought him this far? Wasn't the Dems. Wasn't the Republicans, who spread their votes all around the other Republicans.

It is the Silent Majority that has brought Trump this far! People from both parties and no parties, many who never voted before or haven't voted for years!

They didn't cry for years and years that we need change in Washington only to turn their backs when change finally arrived, like most of you are doing.

Blah blah blah.

You said the silent majority was gonna put mitt in office.

Yet now they didn't show up?

Yet now I'm suppose to believe whoever the silent majority is, NOW will show up?

Lemme guess, when trump loses, it's because they didn't show up, right?

Keep blowing hot air.

You have learned well from your Master Hillary there Grasshopper, stick with the lie.

I swear..............if the topics weren't serious........you couldn't find better comedy than reading the replies in many of these threads.

Donald Trump knocked Hillary Clinton's just-released fundraising numbers for July, repeatedly saying that 20 donors gave Clinton $60 million.

"I want to find out how many I know, but I'll tell you what 20 people gave her — $60 million," Trump told a packed rally in Ashburn, Virginia, on Tuesday. "The game is played that way; they own her."

Hours earlier, the Clinton campaign reported the average donation for the month was just $44.

Seeming to reference his own July fundraising numbers, Trump told the crowd he has raised over $35 million with an approximate average donation of $61.

"We're announcing that we're going to have more than $35 million from a group of people, like almost 60,000 people averaging $61 a piece," Trump said.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/02/trump-clintons-fundraising-shows-big-donors-own-her.html