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I think we should create a dumping ground of "Discuss what awful statement Trump made today" thread. At least four current threads are discussing his tomfoolery.

Sorry, didn't mean to continue the chaos.

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Originally Posted By: RocketOptimist
Trump's getting slaughtered in those debates.

nope

Think of it from the perspective of somebody who is genuinely not sure who they will vote for. Or rather, think of it from the point of view of somebody who might not even be sure if they will vote at all. People who already know who they will vote for and who are strongly motivated to do so don't really matter for the debates.

For example, you're going to vote for Hillary no matter what. It could come out that Hillary armed ISIS and you would still justify voting for her.

The typical person who does not follow politics as closely as we do, or who is not sure who they will vote for, will be more likely to be persuaded by Trump's enthusiasm, common-sense policies, and terrific persuasion skills.

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I remember Trump who never debated before being humiliated in those Republican debates.

Oh, silly me, he won those. Ah well.

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It's okay......there was hope for awhile. Now, it's just the same old ....

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
I remember Trump who never debated before being humiliated in those Republican debates.

Oh, silly me, he won those. Ah well.


I seem to remember him even winning the debate he didn't show up to.

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He will have to do better than talk about hand size and making up names for his opponent. He will have to be presidential.


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He will have to do better than talk about hand size and making up names for his opponent. He will have to be presidential.


Not sure that is possible.

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Originally Posted By: RocketOptimist
I think we should create a dumping ground of "Discuss what awful statement Trump made today" thread. At least four current threads are discussing his tomfoolery.



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By her support of capital commanding labor and doing anything she can to keep that dynamic.

Aren't neoliberals also about deregulating businesses, lowering taxes, reducing governments involvement in welfare?


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At least four current threads are discussing his tomfoolery.


tomfoolery saywhat

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Originally Posted By: Clemdawg
Originally Posted By: RocketOptimist
I think we should create a dumping ground of "Discuss what awful statement Trump made today" thread. At least four current threads are discussing his tomfoolery.



"The Farce is strong in this one-"


In addition, a "what lie The Steel Dragon told today" thread would be interesting as well. It would provide equal food for thought.


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Originally Posted By: DCDAWGFAN
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By her support of capital commanding labor and doing anything she can to keep that dynamic.

Aren't neoliberals also about deregulating businesses, lowering taxes, reducing governments involvement in welfare?


It's a rather broad spectrum. But yeah, deregulating some businesses, lowering some people's taxes are signs of neoliberalism. I would expect the policies of neoliberalism to exacerbate the problems for poor people. Putting the 1% of Americans higher and higher on our social ladder is textbook neoliberalism.

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BATTLE OF THE BILLIONAIRES
Soros pours $$ into Clinton stock, as wealthy open wallets to fight Trump

Battle of the Billionaires: Clinton’s uber-rich backers pour money into Trump fight


Donald Trump has his billions, but Hillary Clinton has her billionaires.

As the candidates formally enter the general election season after their conventions, the former secretary of state’s wealthiest backers are pouring money into political groups opposing Trump. Within the past year, according to a review by FoxNews.com, a total of 24 billionaires have donated more than $42.5 million to two Clinton campaign arms and three allied super PACs.

All this is in preparation for a blitz of advertising and other efforts to defeat Trump over the next three months – as some big-money Republicans stay on the sidelines.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/08/...rump-fight.html

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Trump also has a super PAC just like Hillary too.


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Trump also has a super PAC just like Hillary too.

So?


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Sometimes, a joke is just a joke.

But you couldn't just leave it there, could you?
Gotta keep those numbers even, right?

Fine.... at some point, I'll make a 'Crooked Hillary' meme- so you can watch someone else play the 'tit-for-tat' game that DT is so famous for.


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You just couldn't let it go at Cjrea's post now could you?

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clever (almost).

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Trump also has a super PAC just like Hillary too.

So?


Just making the point to 40 that Trump has his billionaires and outside money as well. It sounded like maybe he hadn't heard. lol


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Trumps super pac needs to get off their butts and make some commercials.


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
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Trump also has a super PAC just like Hillary too.

So?


Just making the point to 40 that Trump has his billionaires and outside money as well. It sounded like maybe he hadn't heard. lol

As of the last time I heard, Trump had not raised a fraction of the money Hillary had, and that's just official money raised.... there is a great meme of Hillary in a royal blue pants suit with the decals of all the banks that are funding her on it like patches, she looks like a bad NASCAR driver.. it's basically a who's who of the banks she swears she is going after to put people in jail.


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j/c eve...

I found this pretty thought provoking as to why we are getting the politicians we have. In the end, I don't think it's earth shattering news as folks on here have been saying similar stuff for a while... though there are some things in here I had not contemplated before.... I just found it interesting as to the "why" people appear to be flocking to certain candidates.



AUG 4, 2016 AT 6:28 AM

The Political Process Isn’t Rigged — It Has Much Bigger Problems
By David Wasserman

All right, I need to vent. For months, I’ve watched Donald Trump decry as “rigged” everything from the Democratic primaries, the Republican primary rules (that’s right, the same rules that helped him win the nomination) and the fall debate schedule. And I’ve winced as many Bernie Sanders supporters have accused the Democratic National Committee of “rigging” the primaries and thrown around wild, roundly debunked conspiracy theories about deleted votes.

Here’s the truth: Washington is rigged, but not in a literal sense and not in any of the nefarious ways those loud voices are contending. Instead, the blame may lie more with voters than politicians: Our legislative process is not designed to withstand the current levels of partisan polarization in the electorate.

Voters’ vexation with standard-issue, do-nothing D.C. politicians and party elites helps explain the Trump and Sanders phenomena of 2016, and the “rigging” theories seem to arise out of that frustration and suspicion. Yet much of this anger with “insiders” is misdirected. If only our political problems were due to “rigging” elections, we could arrest someone and get on with it. But our problems are much more structural.

In 2012, my colleague Nate Silver wrote: “Why is compromise so hard in the House? Some commentators, especially liberals, attribute it to what they say is the irrationality of Republican members of Congress. But the answer could be this instead: Individual members of Congress are responding fairly rationally to their incentives.” That’s truer than ever: When narrow primary bases dominate elections, everyone loses. And politicians as a whole get blamed.

Sure, many politicians on both the right and left fan the flames of partisan hysteria and feed off their base’s fire — and they tend to get disproportionate attention. But in my experience, most candidates and officeholders don’t see the world as red versus blue: They genuinely run for office to solve problems, not to please special-interest groups or for self-glorification. Unfortunately, they increasingly find themselves trapped in a voter-driven vicious cycle that shows no sign of abating.

Here are the five steps to how it works:

1. Geographic sorting — Voters tend to cluster near other people who share their cultural and political values, and the parties’ coalitions have become far more geographically isolated in recent decades. In the 1960 Kennedy-Nixon election, 52 percent of the nation’s voters lived in states decided by 5 percentage points or less. In the 2012 Obama-Romney race, just 17 percent of all voters lived in such states.

As a corollary, there are far fewer truly competitive congressional districts. Just 90 of 435 House districts had a Cook Political Report Partisan Voter Index score, an attempt to measure the partisan lean of an area independent of the candidates on the ballot, between D+5 and R+5, down 45 percent from 164 in 1998.

Sure, gerrymandering has played a role in the House, but sorting is the dominant factor: In the impossible-to-gerrymander Senate, the number of seats with a score between D+5 and R+5 has declined from 52 in 1998 to 28 today.

2. Straight-ticket voting — Voters are splitting their tickets — voting for a Republican for one office and a Democrat for another — at lower rates than we’ve seen in decades. They’re just not making distinctions between parties’ presidential and congressional candidates like they used to. The decline of local news readership probably plays a role — after all, these outlets have traditionally provided an avenue for candidates to build a personal brand independent of their party’s.

In turn, that’s further narrowing the trading range of Senate and House seats that are truly up for grabs in November. Even a 53 percent Democratic district or 54 percent Republican district can now be considered a safe seat in most cases. Most races are no longer contests between two candidates with unique backgrounds and qualifications; more often they are censuses of how many Republicans or Democrats live in a given state or district.

3. Primaries have become the new general elections — The Cook Political Report currently rates just 37 of 435 House seats as competitive this fall, less than 9 percent of the House. As a result, primary elections have become tantamount to general elections in the vast majority of seats. Because primaries are held on many different dates, they tend to generate less national attention and attract disproportionate shares of hardcore, ideological party activists to the polls.

In 2014, only 14.6 percent of eligible voters participated in congressional primaries — a record low, according to the Center for the Study of the American Electorate. That means a tiny fraction of voters who are the most hardened partisans are essentially electing more than 90 percent of members of Congress. And these low-turnout primaries are often easy prey for ideological interest groups who demand purity.

4. Congress grinds to a halt — The enormous pressure to please narrow, extreme and grossly unrepresentative bases of primary voters has straitjacketed members who would otherwise be willing to collaborate across the aisle, ditch talking points or behave in a way that reflects their true conscience. No one wants to risk alienating their base unnecessarily for fear of becoming the next Eric Cantor.

One vehemently anti-Trump GOP member recently confessed to me that the NRCC, his party’s campaign committee, had pressured him not to declare #NeverTrump until after his state’s candidate filing deadline had passed, for fear that his stance would generate a primary challenge on the right and jeopardize the seat. My hunch is that some GOP members will be more willing to speak out against their nominee after their primaries pass.

The big picture, however, is that the tyranny of primaries has turned Congress into a legislative graveyard. The last two full Congresses, the 112th and 113th, were the two least productive in history. Last week, federal officials confirmed the first local transmission of the Zika virus in Florida, yet Congress is still struggling to pass emergency funding because of partisan squabbling over abortion and environmental regulations.

5. Anger at politicians grows — Every year, legions of candidates take to the airwaves with trite tropes about how “Washington is broken” and how they can fix it, in most cases by just fighting the other party harder. But most candidates end up contributing to the very problem they’re decrying. When no one gets anything they want and Congress can’t address basic problems, voters grow even more disillusioned with D.C. and hungrier for an outsider.

This has been especially true among Republican primary voters, who hold their own leaders in contempt for having fallen short of overturning President Obama’s agenda after hearing overzealous campaign promises in 2010 and 2014. So while Hillary Clinton was barely able to turn back an insurgent in the Democratic primaries, Trump was able to co-opt the entire GOP by capturing 14 million votes from a pool of 220 million eligible U.S. voters.

How do we escape this insidious cycle of polarization? I have no easy solutions. But it might be time for a national conversation about how we can structurally modernize our system of elections to incentivize bipartisanship instead of fringe behavior. I tend to think redistricting reform is a bit overrated and primary reform is underrated. Left untouched, our politics will reach a breaking point — maybe we’re already there. And ultimately, voters get the government they deserve.

David Wasserman is the U.S. House editor for the Cook Political Report.

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Trump raised 80 million in July while Hillary raised 90 million in July.

http://time.com/4437135/campaign-finance-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-july/


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Trump raised 80 million in July while Hillary raised 90 million in July.

http://time.com/4437135/campaign-finance-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-july/

Trump has just recently started ramping up his fund raising.. Hillary had a fairly significant lead.


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After the election who keeps the left over money?


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Originally Posted By: EveDawg
After the election who keeps the left over money?


Me.

But, you're talking about politicians, so I have to ask you "WHAT left over money?"

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The Political Process Isn’t Rigged — It Has Much Bigger Problems
By David Wasserman


Interesting article. Thanks for posting. I think this article addresses a lot of things I wanted to talk about in this thread.

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Originally Posted By: DCDAWGFAN
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Trump raised 80 million in July while Hillary raised 90 million in July.

http://time.com/4437135/campaign-finance-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-july/

Trump has just recently started ramping up his fund raising.. Hillary had a fairly significant lead.


Why are you making such a big deal about how much money is being raised. Is this something new in political races?

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Trump raised 80 million in July while Hillary raised 90 million in July.

http://time.com/4437135/campaign-finance-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-july/

Trump has just recently started ramping up his fund raising.. Hillary had a fairly significant lead.


Why are you making such a big deal about how much money is being raised. Is this something new in political races?

No but the amount and where it is coming from should be news.. it wasn't that long ago that democrats ripped Republicans apart for all of the money they raised, said they were buying elections, wanted reform, hated super pacs, hated corporate donors, etc... Now that the dems seem to have the upper hand in big corporate money, and money in general.. doesn't seem to be that big of a deal..

Has anybody asked Hillary, at all, how she can campaign on throwing Wall Street execs in jail and breaking up big banks while taking HUGE donations from those very same people?


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Originally Posted By: DCDAWGFAN
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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Trump raised 80 million in July while Hillary raised 90 million in July.

http://time.com/4437135/campaign-finance-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-july/

Trump has just recently started ramping up his fund raising.. Hillary had a fairly significant lead.


Why are you making such a big deal about how much money is being raised. Is this something new in political races?

No but the amount and where it is coming from should be news.. it wasn't that long ago that democrats ripped Republicans apart for all of the money they raised, said they were buying elections, wanted reform, hated super pacs, hated corporate donors, etc... Now that the dems seem to have the upper hand in big corporate money, and money in general.. doesn't seem to be that big of a deal..

Has anybody asked Hillary, at all, how she can campaign on throwing Wall Street execs in jail and breaking up big banks while taking HUGE donations from those very same people?


The hated the creation of super pacs, they hated that corporations are allowed to be people, but now those are the rules of the game and you have to play by the rules of the game if you want to win. Same way Dan Gilbert hated the Miami team then went out and made a Miami team to win.

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You hit the nail on the head, DC. It's why I continually go back and forth on where I want my vote to go.

I feel like I'm supporting a broken system with a vote towards Clinton, aiding to roll back progress for minorities with a vote towards Trump, or a vote towards Johnson ignores that human nature won't ever allow a perfect Libertarian paradise.

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Ahhhhh............so you are finding reasons to support Trump.

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Ahhhhh............so you are finding reasons to support Trump.

LOL




Or reasons not to vote for Hillary. The woman should be jailed.


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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Ahhhhh............so you are finding reasons to support Trump.

LOL


Nope, my opinion hasn't changed. If I had to vote today, I'd vote for Johnson... if Trump can get his crap together and be presidential between now and the election, there is a chance he could swing me to vote for him... there is nothing I can think of that Hillary could do to win my vote.


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