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He's leading in our highly scientific poll and is often thrown out as preferable to our other two choices... but there really hasn't been much discussion on his platform or what he believes or his history, etc.. Most of us probably generally know what Libertarians believe but let's take him apart and see what he (and his running mate) are all about..

I will just start by posting the link to their official website here.

Johnson/Weld

Have at it.

Check this out:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Gary_Johnson

I REALLY encourage people to do a lot of research on this guy. We can make history, folks. Even if he doesn't win........we can change the way things are done.

I posted this earlier. I don't think anyone really studied it, but I'll try again:

http://presidential-candidates.insidegov.com/l/39/Gary-Johnson


Hey guys.............when I speak of education, this is part of it. Educate yourself before jumping "all in."

He's got my vote with his taxation stances and partial privatization of SS. His economic stance as a whole I like. I'm not 100% in agreement with the immigration part of it, but I can live with it if the other aspects of the economic section are put into place.

The social issues are more in line with my beliefs as well, but I don't really care that much about those either way. It certainly doesn't sway my vote.

I could certainly vote for him, and may end up doing so. I really hope he can get into the debates.

What is the ideology score on that page? I scanned it to try and find it but not sure exactly what it means - I've got the attention span of gnat so trying to find the meaning of it eluded me, lol.

I like most of it. I do not agree with his views on how great free trade is.

I agree with some things and I don't agree with others. But above all, he's not a megalomaniac like the other two.

Well, it looks like he he strongly agrees w/same sex marriages; agrees w/keeping God in the public eye and legally requiring the hiring of women and minorities; kinda agrees w/abortion is a women's right; and disagrees w/making voting registration easier.

I think he is our best choice. I don't think it's close.

I think it's time to make a stance and speak out against the horrors of the two candidates the Republicans and Democrats are offering us.

I don't agree w/many of the Libertarian parties views, but Johnson is an outlier in that party.

Once again, I ask folks to take the time to research and make an informed decision rather than just follow a particular party off the edge of a cliff.

I don't get how people whine about the trade agreements and then willfully throw their support at Gary.

Further supporting my opinion that y'all have no clue what y'all actually want on this board.

The majority of you conservatives gave a great big thumps up to trumps opposition of the TPP, but it's ok cause Gary's down with it, right?

lol, ok.

They have a word for that. But I won't repeat the H word. It's the boogeyman around here.

He's a bit confusing on his environment stance. He agrees with human climate change(huge thumbs up for me) but then supports coal.

Uh, I'm sure we can work through that, so whatever.

He better watch out with the federal reserve because I think that's got two people assassinated already.

Not feeling his market based healthcare. We had that before obamacare, everybody in their momma was crying about big pharmacy jacking up prices.

But clearly, we don't like learning our lessons the first go around in this country, so the definition of insanity applies here. I like how people whined about the market jacking up healthcare cost, then now want to go back the same dumbass crap.

Okiedokie

I agree with reforming SS, but this idea that people who already paid for it should still receive it is a pipe dream.

I paid into SS, and I'm sorry, but I don't expect to see a dime from that. It needs to be reform, and people like myself are gonna have to bite the bullet for a better plan. That's just the way it is if we're gonna take SS reform seriously.

43% decrease in military spending. Sounds good, but will probably be assassinated before that ever happened.

Not really clear on his coming finance opinion.

He won me over with opposing the patriot act. Seriously, screw that policy.

Cool with his abortion stance. Gonna off the religious people...my bad, the religious men with that.


Death penalty. Eh, sorry but child molesters and murderers need to be hanged in public square. I gots no time for them.

Definitely down with lowering the drinking age. It's stupid that people are some how old enough to join the military, smoke cigarettes, vote, but can't drink at 18.

Love his drug policy in general.

Like his stance on gay marriage. Don't want gay marriage, don't get gay married. Nobody is forcing anybody to turn gay and get marry to a dude.


Overall......eh.

I just love how people blindly got behind the guy and yet argue against issueson a daily basis about the same stuff he supports.

That H word, yo.

Must you insult posters on every freaking conversation? Sheesh man.....you are just like 40 and you don't even realize it.

Insult? Whatever, it's true.

They support Gary but for some reason half the policies he supports, theyre against.

I didn't take that position, they did. Not my problem.

Since when does supporting a candidate mean agreeing with 100% of his policies?

Who said anything about 100%? Please don't make things up.

But you'd think people would at least agree with more than half his policies.

The only other factor must be that his character isn't in question.

So if we're using that criteria, then sure. He's a go.

But his policy stances are something that's constantly debated on here. It just isn't adding up.

I'm only pointing out the obvious.

<<sigh>>

Thank you captain obvious for pointing out that non liberterians voting for a libertarian wont agree with all of his stances. Lol

Apparently it isn't so obvious.

Hey y'all.......................how about we just discuss Johnson's platform and not let this freaking thread decline into the same old crap that all the other threads digress into?

The word you are looking for doesn't start with an H, it starts with a C.... COMPROMISE.. or even CONCESSION.

None of the candidates have all that I like, just like you said you were supporting Gary but just ran down a few things you don't like, does that make you that H word as well?..... You give and take to try to come up with the best option.. until I get to the point where I can run myself, I will likely never have a candidate with whom I agree 100%.


About 1/3 of our electricity comes from coal and we have TENS OF BILLIONS of DOLLARS invested in the power plants that use coal and the infrastructure to get the coal there, etc. It takes at least a decade to build a new power plant. We have coal in abundance, the process of burning it is cleaner than ever.. any smart energy policy would support the heck out of coal while we develop a reasonable transition to something else.


I hate Obamacare and don't think it can be "fixed"... but I'm also pretty worried about repealing it and just turning everybody lose to do as they please... so I'm curious what he means by a "market based system"


I'd be happy if they just locked military spending where it is (in real dollars) for about the next 10 years without increasing it. Then start weeding out the outdated systems we don't need or use, etc..


I agree. I supported it at the time. I saw a lot of flaws in it and hoped they would fix it. Instead they have just continued to make it worse.


It's not just men bro.. but there isn't a seriously pro-life candidate in the race.. Trump pays it lip service but he's not going to fight for it.

Looking at this ticket then it hits me, he can't win... He's not even as popular as Bernie and YOU ALL SAID HE COULDN'T WIN.

I'm reading his platform, and while I did it, a laundry list of posters came up that doesnt support even half of his policies.

When somebody is cheering on trump for being against the TPP, and then cheer for Gary supporting it, that doesn't sound like compromise.

That sounds like the same crap Obama went through. People were against certain policies just because it came out of Obama's mouth. But if anybody else liked it, it was all good.

For the third time, nobody said ANYTHING about being 100 percent on board with all policies. I really have zero clue where y'all getting that from. But whatever. What y'all sipping on? Jack? Mix it instead of drinking it straight.

Anyway, the rest of your post I can compromise on

If you missed the Libertarian Town Hall on CNN earlier, they are replaying it now. :-)

Bernie couldn't win because he was running in a democratic primary against Hillary who most suspected, then later had it confirmed, that the fix was in.. she was going to win.

Now I will give you that he is a long shot because he is essentially running against two parties.. and I would guess that the Republicans would rather have Hillary win and the democrats would rather have.. ok, I won't go that far.

Neither of the major parties wants to fight a political war on two fronts.. both parties already have their faithful programmed to know all of the tag lines to use against the other party... it would take a tremendous amount of retraining to get them to learn how to disparage a 3rd party. Especially one that shared a lot of the things they already agree with..

Does Gary have a plan to combat the current heroin crisis?

That's missing from the two other candidates

I have a problem with his position on corporate taxes.

Corporate taxes should not be abolished. Simple as that. The government carve out in corporate taxes is paid for by you and me, and corporations have a lower net tax rate than individuals. This country no longer brings in any money from corporate taxes and tariffs, so we pay higher taxes as individuals. I tend to agree with Trump on the tariff policy that has hurt our domestic economy. It is a world where currency is manipulated and we should tax the manipulators that use the US as a tool to bolster their own economy.

In the world of post-Citizens united, you want free speech as a corporation, fine, but you can pay taxes as an individual.

If a corporation is indeed a person, then why do they have different tax structures? Isn't that against the 14th amendment?

Dude has 15% needed in mid western states.

I don't know. I know he is much more about rehab than victimization so I would assume his policy is along those lines... I would also guess that his belief that we should get out of Afghanistan would also be a start..

Corporations are people is some of the most law confusing crap I've ever seen.

It's like corporations are people too....until the law comes down on their asses. Then they're just a business and nobody can get jail time.

I think Weld would have been the better Presidental candidate.

Oh there are always some underlings to get some token jail time so the legal system can say they did their job.. while the higher ups leap with that golden parachute and retire to their private island..

It would be a huge start.

His stances on those countries I can deal with.

But man, right now I have this drug crisis as #1 priority over terrorism. It's why I like his idea on the drug war so much.

We destroy each other way more effective than any terrorist, and look at how many lives opiates and drugs like meth have destroyed, relationships jacked up, careers gone, etc.

Sorry bro but when I walk in the streets, I don't see an Arab with a suicide vest

I see a vet who's homeless because drugs took hold of him. I see a crack head looking for his next fix. I see ex middle and upper class people on the streets because they got hooked to opiates.

I agree with most of his policies. But his drug policy is why he has my vote right now.

I'm not crazy about the stance on climate. Legalizing pot is cool but I didn't see anything about the rest of the drug problem Only that he seems to have it in for prescription drugs.

His tax plans need some serious looking at too. Eliminate business taxes, then gradually replace income tax with a consumption tax... That's taxing the poor disproportionately big time. Although I don't mind the idea, where is all the money going to come from to stimulate the economy if the wealthy can just sit on it?

His answers on cutting the Military are a little aloof too...

These guys are kind of on the edge of my comfort zone, I need to know much more about them.

I agree. I'm considering voting for what ever 3rd party or independent candidate who appears to have the most support, no matter their stance on issues (I won't vote for a KKK or ISIS candidate). They're not going to win anyway, but a message can be sent. The major parties get all of the money and power, and are dependent on support based on relatively meaningless issues and hatred of the opposite party. It's got to stop and heavy support for a different entity might be enough to shake things up.

A lot of what he would like to do, I like. I like smaller government, I like fiscal conservatism and abortion is already allowed by law, lets move on. Let's treat drug abuse as a health issue not a criminal issue. On the environment I don't subscribe to the global (whatever buzz word used today) is caused by man so much as it is this living ball of rock we're on is doing what it's been doing for the last 4.5 billon years. It's not a deal breaker though.

We can't like everything about any one individual as all the little piggies in this race need some lipstick. This particular piggy needs a whole lot less lipstick than the other two.

j/c:

I'm voting for the Libertarian Ticket but Weld comes across as more presidential than Johnson, at least to me. I wonder if that will play a part moving forward.

I am seeing several posts that are saying things like that. Are you crazy about everything regarding Hillary? Is the other side crazy about everything regarding Trump?

I think that we will never agree w/everything regarding any one particular candidate. I think it would be wise to compare all the candidates on each issue and see which candidate most aligns w/one's ideology.

I also think that both Trump and Clinton are scary candidates. Each day, there are dozens of posts about how awful Trump is AND how awful Clinton is. It's like choosing the lesser of two evils. Johnson offers an escape from that nightmare.

I get that most of you vote along party lines, but I've never really agreed w/that line of thinking. I believe in voting for the best candidate.

And again, even if he doesn't win..........the voting public can have a huge impact on how things are done moving forward. If enough of us make a statement at the polls, they will be forced to hear our voice.

Do you believe it is just a drug problem? Or, would you concede that it's also an economic problem?

I think Johnson's economic plan is by far superior to either Trump's or Clinton's.

I realize you are a democrat, but man, Hillary would kill the economy. Check out her plan, especially regarding the "Exit tax," "Capital Gains tax," and "Stock trading tax." The freaking Exit tax thing blows my mind. It's so freaking dumb. Prices will invariably increase ------> cash flow will slow-------> even more jobs will go away.

I think Johnson's economic plan would actually help stimulate the economy and I think that is something this country desperately needs. I also believe that the drug problem is very much influenced by the economy.

And you'd be wrong. All that I really care about is the fiscal aspects - I weight my decision probably upwards of 80% on those, and while I don't agree 100% on all of his they are good enough for me. Most other stuff tends to be social issues that aren't all that important to me so I really don't care all that much about those. They aren't off the wall ideas/beliefs so I'm OK with it.

I like liberal economic policies.

Besides, some of Gary's policies look too much like what's going on in Kansas and Louisiana.

Yea, not really feeling it.

So you literally agree with me about liking more than half his policies but say I'm wrong?

You just answered a question that didn't even apply to you. Thanks for helping make my point, I guess.