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My comment on "owned up" mainly refers to his attendance to rehab AND aftercare SO FAR. I fully agree he is an expert and telling everyone what they want to hear....except his comments about not having any problem....JMHO, I think/could be wrong, he has finally figured it out.....time will tell...GO Browns!!!

Once you get busted the first time you then get tested more diligently. Having been busted in college, I'm sure the league had him on their list. That isn't holding someone to a higher standard. Every player is the same. Screw up and you're on the list to get tested early and often. Screw up again and you better be prepared to in a bottle everyday of your career. Meathead then distinguished himself by getting a DUI while awaiting an appeal hearing for his first year long suspension. Then the league actually lessened that year even AFTER his DUI escapade allowing him to play 6 games in that season. 6 games being very important as it is the threshold for acruing time toward FA. So what does meathead do? He acts the fool and gets suspended by the team for the final game meaning that year doesn't count toward FA.
You seem to think meathead is a fine upstanding young man and the league is out to get him. That is the opposite of the truth. They have given him EVERY chance to get his act together and every single time he does what comes naturally to him.... he SCREWS UP! Frankly, I would have booted him from the league a long long time ago. I damned sure would have cut him if I were the Browns. He's a loser and he can't EVER be trusted. No WAY would I ever sign him to a long term deal.

There have been many many stupid players with bad attitudes come through Cleveland over the years.... I never referred to them as meatheads. Meathead EARNED that moniker. Chance after chance after chance and he just keeps screwing up. He is without a doubt the dumbest player to ever wear a Browns unifrom. Man, that is saying something.

I agree whole heartedly. Meathead will be 100% football ready when the Browns reach the playoffs. THREE YEARS FROM NOW. IF he hasn't toked up or chugged down some cough syrup in the meantime. Of course he probably won't be wearing a Browns unifrom at the time. Two years he hits FA and some team will be stupid enough to shower him with money. Let's hope it isn't the Browns.....

That's when the Patriots will pick him up for league minimum and he and Jimmy G will become the next Montana/Rice.

I am glad he is back. best WR we have had ....ever? hoping he gets it right this time.

Coleman, Gordon, Higgins, Hawkins, Pryor, Barnidge. Gabriel. starting to look like we just might have people to throw to now...the Crow, and the Duke...liking it more every time I look at it

Dp101....ever, really....Warfield is in Hall of Fame, and I support JGordon in his comeback from stupidity, but he's been gone more than he's played....talented, but flawed....and he isn't even within sniffing distance of being our all time best...JMHO.....GO Browns!!!!

i was speaking from a talent pov.

Warfield, pal. I hope we shock some people, but Warfield over Gordy any day. He may be great, but has almost everything to prove and much to redeem. Hope he is with us this season.

Gordon had ONE good year. That's it. He isn't even close to be being the Brown's best WR "ever."

Mentioning Warfield and Gordon in the same Paragraph is sacrilege !

I agree. But that one good season is literally one of the best seasons by a wide receiver ever (in fourteen games, with Weeden, Hoyer, and Campbell).

"Gordon’s 2,451 receiving yards through his first two seasons are fourth-most all time since the AFL-NFL merger, trailing only Odell Beckham Jr., Randy Moss, and Jerry Rice."

https://theringer.com/josh-gordon-nfl-conditional-reinstatement-9473e2ae39d5#.uh571wd29

Josh Gordon has the talent to be one of the greatest WR's of all time.

Having the talent to be one of the greatest and actually being one of the greatest are light years apart.

The last two years for Gordon:

2014: 24 receptions for 303 yards. A 12.6 average and 0 TDs.

2015: 0 receptions for 0 yards. No average per catch and 0 TDs.

quote above by cfrs:

"I agree. But that one good season is literally one of the best seasons by a wide receiver ever (in fourteen games, with Weeden, Hoyer, and Campbell).'

That was incredible. It was probably the greatest 14 game performance ever by a WR. (all things considered, poor team, poor quarterbacks, terrible offense)

Lots of folks, including myself, often forget about who his QB's were. For me that makes his performance even greater.

Good catch Rocky

You can't lose with Gordon only Gordon can lose. Our loses in that regard are over and done with.

Your NOT going to get a thing for him so a trade is off the table. The talent assuming it still exists is exciting to contemplate but you don't put the team at risk by keeping him and letting this thing play out. So you let it play out nothing to lose everything to gain. It's all on Gordon, as it should be.

You make him earn his roster/playing time just like everyone else. It's not to say he doesn't get scrutinized more heavily cause he does, but at this point the risk/reward is all in favor of the Browns.

Has he screwed up, well of course he has let those without sin cast the 1st stone. I personally view pot as a joke it shouldn't be against the law to begin with. Still Gordon knew/knows the rules if there is a player that should understand that rule better then anyone Gordon should be it. Like I said its up to him.

Me I let the whole thing go this team isn't going to be very good either way, with or without Gordon if he behaves himself and isn't a locker room distraction then I keep him if on the other hand he is a negative influence in anyway I send him packing. His roster position at this juncture in my mind is the same as it would be for a undrafted player.

But our loses from an organizational stand point are over done with. At the end of the day Gordon will decide for himself how this story ends.

I am excited to see what our passing attack will look like at about mid season when Josh has gotten some of the rust knocked off. I think we could end up with an extremely explosive offense.

There are a whole lot of "IF's" in our passing game ...... but there is, at least, a possibility that they could be good to great.

IF:

RG3 can play as he did as a rookie, and also improve in his understanding of the passing game ... translating his talent and ability to performance on the field .....

Corey Coleman is everything we all hope he will be .....

Terrelle Pryor matures as a receiver, and puts if all together on the field this year ......

Josh Gordon comes back, stays clean, and works his butt off to put his immense physical talent to work on the field.

The OL can hold up well enough to give RG3 time to throw, as well as giving the run game a chance ......

and, some of the rookie WRs come through, and are able to help, at least as the 3rd, 4th, or 5th role.(s)

Man, that's a ton of "IFs".

That's only because we have no choice, no favoring about it. We can't trade him and we can't play him because he's always suspended or injured. He's just a liability we have to deal with. All because he had a few good games three years ago that helped a few fantasy league players win their league while Gordon screwed the Browns and their fans.

Fixed it for you.

Yes it is. I find it odd that you would really want to trade McCown away with a ton of "if's" hanging over our heads now.

Fixed it for you.

We are going to be terrible no matter what. McCown is old and has value, trade him and get something back.

Because a QB in hi late 30s, who won 1 game out of 8 starts last year, is almost certainly not part of the future.

Let's just say that RG3 is a total disaster, and so after 4 or 5 weeks, we turn to McCown, and we win 3 or 4 games. What does that accomplish for the team?

I respect that way McCown worked last year. I respect the fact that he sacrificed his body in the attempt to turn this team around. I respect the fact that he did a fairly good job of playing QB. If we had a team that was ready to win this year, and a team with legitimate playoff potential, then I would be fine with keeping him, and maybe even starting him. However, this is going to be a very young team, and it is going to take time to come together.

In my view, because this is such a young and inexperienced team, McCown's presence, the example he sets for the younger players, is more valuable than anything less than a 3rd round draft pick.

I guess if I thought that this was "THE" Year to make the playoffs and if I would be disappointed if we didn't, then I'd call that a disaster. LOL But I don't believe any of that.

Do you? Bet not!

What it gives us is 2 first round picks next year and those youngsters that we drafted will have a year of experience under their belts.

All in all, we'd be better off than we were at the start of this off season because at least we won't fire Jackson

Every NFL team has IFs ... it's just that our list is WAY longer

Some of you guys are already acting like he'll come in week five and beast it. Here I am wondering if he doesn't get suspended again before week five. That's an incredible distance away when all it takes is one evening, a single evening, where another headline regarding Josh pops up. I'm more so banking on that than him contributing to this team in any positive form or fashion.

Ha

Fixed it for ya!

Then what good is Josh Gordon to us this season Mmmm? What does that accomplish for us this year? His future with the Browns looks more ominous then McCown's that's for sure.

At a minimum, it gives us positive direction for who/what to draft in 2017...

not sure if i follow your line of thinking...

Whose presence?

Actually, I just had that same realization when I saw 8 new replies to this thread. I was all like "great... what now?!".

fixed it, thanks

If Gordon returns to form and gets it together finally. our WR corps looks like:

Gordon, Prior, Coleman, Hawkins, best of the rest

Barnidge, Bibbs, best of the rest

I'm intrigued.

The problem with Gordon is that when he was last on the field, he wasn't all that good, and I believe, cost us quite a bit by being out there. From bad/lazy routes to drops, it was mostly negative with him playing...

YTown, I get your infatuation w/draft picks. I get that we are not going to be good this year. I get that McCown is old.

What I don't get is how you don't get that winning games is pretty important. Each year, we see the Browns fall apart when adversity strikes. They don't know how to win.

Knowing how to win because you actually have won some games is a good thing. Playing for draft position is beyond lame.

I am back in Ohio and was listening to sports talk for a bit today. They mentioned that Coleman's jersey isn't on sale yet. Probably a number change is coming. But anyway, they said what if you were a die hard fan and bought the jerseys of our number one picks the last several years.

Erving [he sucked last year]
Shelton [his number is already different....LOL]
Manziel [gone]
Gilbert [gag]
Mingo [ ]
Weeden [not even as good as toilet paper]
TRich [Seriously?]
Taylor [out of the league]


I'd say learning how to win and developing a winning culture is perhaps more important hat 1-3 spots in the draft.

Hahahaha, I don't know why but that made me laugh.

yea Gordon, Coleman, Pryor, Hawkins, Gabriel, Jennings, Higgans, Payton, Louis

Barnidge, Bibbs, Connor Hamlett at 6'7" I hear is making a splash as well

RB's Crow, Duke, Watson.

that's something that has my full attention