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He's trying to put out all the fires he has lit by seeming like a boring GOP 'tow the party line' candidate... Just wait five minutes, he'll implode again.

#LoserDonald

So if you don't like something or don't agree with it or don't find it all that impressive, then it's ok to just shout down the speaker?

These people need to realize, THEY ARE A PART OF THE PROBLEM!!!!!!

I don't support what they did.

But look at the situation. You're doing more crying about people causing an annoyance than trumps actual economic plan.

That tells me all I need to know.

He treated the teachers like crap. He treated the policemen/policewomen like crap. he treated the firemen/firewomen like crap, And worst of all he treated the MRDD folks of Ohio like crap. He does not give a crap about anybody but himself. He has made fun of the MRDD folks in Ohio time after time. I could go into a lot of detail about his worthless lying ass but I will only get myself banned because I have no use for his worthless, piece of flesh that he is wasting.

Not to mention he cut all of those services to create a "rainy day" fund aka he just wants to tax everyone and then not use their money for anything. I'd rather pay teachers a decent wage than have my tax money secured in a bank vault somewhere.

that's my very first post on either.. I'm not sure how you now know all you need to know. I have not looked into Trumps new and improved modified plan.. wasn't overly impressed with parts of his old plan. All I've seen is in reading about half of that Politico article you posted.

Once I have a chance to look at it, I'll give my opinion. THEN you will know all you need to know.

Right now all you should know is that I think shouting down people who are expressing opinions, just because you disagree with them... is childish, immature, and part of the reason we have the political climate we have.. I'm not a big fan of the President, I absolutely despise Hillary, but if I went to hear them speak, I would let them speak.. problem is these chuckleheads didn't go to hear him speak, they went to disrupt and make the story about themselves, it didn't matter what he said.... You protest to cause disturbance and get attention, once you get the attention you wanted, don't whine about it.

I don't think they was whining about getting the attention.

I'll be waiting for your response to the actual plan, although I suspect I already know what you're gonna say about it.

I obviously know I can't speak for the entire state, but teachers around here make pretty decent money. Each district is different though, with the richer districts paying more to teachers.

And banks keep enough money. They don't need to tax my money just to put it into a bank. I can do that myself tyvm.

Fox News brought up an interesting fact. Educated women supported Romeny back in 2012, but right now they're heavily in support of Hillary.

50 top GOP officials: Trump would 'risk our country's national security'

By Tyler Pager
08/08/16 04:03 PM EDT
Updated 08/08/16 04:23 PM EDT

On Politico

Donald Trump's effort to appeal to establishment Republicans suffered another setback on Monday as 50 senior GOP national security officials warned in a new letter that Trump would "risk our country’s national security and well-being.”
The signatories of the letter, which was first reported by The New York Times, all worked in Republican administrations, with many serving as top aides to President George W. Bush. They said none of them would be voting for Trump.

“Trump lacks the character, values, and experience to be President,” they wrote. “He weakens U.S. moral authority as the leader of the free world. He appears to lack basic knowledge about and belief in the U.S. Constitution, U.S. laws, and U.S. institutions, including religious tolerance, freedom of the press, and an independent judiciary.”
The letter signers include Michael Hayden, the former director of the CIA and the National Security Agency, two former secretaries of homeland security, and John Negroponte, who served as director of national intelligence and deputy secretary of state. None of the living Republican former secretaries of state signed the letter.
Although the signatories said they would not be voting for Trump, they did express concerns about Hillary Clinton as well.

“We also know that many have doubts about Hillary Clinton, as do many of us,” they wrote. “But Donald Trump is not the answer to America’s daunting challenges and to this crucial election. We are convinced that in the Oval Office, he would be the most reckless President in American history.”

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/cia-offic...ory?id=41201256

Former CIA Officer Evan McMullin Launches Independent Presidential Bid
By SHUSHANNAH WALSHE Aug 8, 2016, 3:23 PM ET

Evan McMullin, a former CIA counterterrorism officer, will run for president as a third-party conservative alternative to Donald Trump, he said today.

"With the stakes so high for our nation and at this late stage in the process, I can no longer stand on the sidelines," McMullin said in a statement. "Our country needs leaders who are in it for the right reasons and who actually understand what makes this country the greatest on earth. Leaders who will unite us and guide us to a prosperous, secure future, beyond the dysfunction of a broken political system."

He took aim at both major-party presidential nominees.

"Hillary Clinton is a corrupt career politician who has recklessly handled classified information in an attempt to avoid accountability and put American lives at risk, including those of my former colleagues," he said. "She fails the basic tests of judgment and ethics any candidate for president must meet."

As for Donald Trump, he "appeals to the worst fears of Americans at a time we need unity, not division," McMullin said. "Republicans are deeply divided by a man who is perilously close to gaining the most powerful position in the world, and many rightly see him as a real threat to our republic."

People working on McMullin's bid resigned from Better for America — a 501(c)(4) organization that may not officially endorse or back any candidate — in order to push his candidacy. The group has been working for months to select a candidate and get on ballots throughout the country. In some states, like Texas, they will likely have to sue to get on the ballot. A 501(c)(4) group is an issue-based nonprofit that may raise unlimited funds and does not have to disclose its donors.

"Just as the American Revolution required men and women devoted to liberty and freedom to stand up and be counted, this moment calls a new generation to the same sacred task." McMullin said in the statement. "With that in mind, I have decided to pursue the cause of American renewal and the presidency of the United States of America."

It's an extreme uphill climb, but his supporters are confident that McMullin, 40, can act as a disrupter and peel off some red states in a race in which some Republicans are still resistant to Trump.

Group Says There’s Interest in Third-Party Run From Governors, Senators
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McMullin’s candidacy, backed by some Republicans, shows how the never-Trump movement is still working to upend him even with less than three months left until the general election. McMullin may be a long shot but will have an organization behind him, if unofficially.

McMullin, who resigned this morning as the chief policy director of the House Republican conference, was planning to incorporate an election committee today, get a bank account for it and start raising and spending money in a manner consistent with all applicable Federal Election Commission and Internal Revenue Service requirements, according to the operatives launching his campaign. They plan to file FEC candidacy forms by Aug. 15, they said.

Better for America says prominent Republicans will back McMullin, who has some well-known GOP operatives behind the effort, including Republican consultant Rick Wilson and Floridian pollster and operative Joel Searby. The group has been partly funded by John Kingston, a Boston conservative donor who bundled for Mitt Romney.

McMullin was born in Provo, Utah, and earned a bachelor’s degree in international law and diplomacy from Brigham Young University and a master’s in business administration from the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania.

He served as a Mormon missionary in Brazil and as a volunteer refugee resettlement officer in Amman, Jordan, on behalf of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees. On Sept. 11, 2001, he was in training at CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia. He completed his training and volunteered for overseas service in the Middle East, North Africa and South Asia, spearheading counterterrorism and intelligence operations in some of the most dangerous nations, according to the group.

After he left the CIA in 2011, McMullin went to work for Goldman Sachs in the San Francisco Bay Area and in 2013 became a senior adviser on national security issues for the House Committee on Foreign Affairs.

Independent Candidate Evan McMullin Says Trump Is 'Inhuman,' Calls Clinton 'Woefully Unfit' to Be President

Evan McMullin, the former CIA agent who announced today that he is running for president, had harsh words for both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, telling ABC News he believes both are "woefully unfit for the responsibilities they seek."

But he reserved particular ire for Trump, calling him "inhuman," and an "authoritarian" who "does not care about anyone but himself."

McMullin, a Republican, previously worked for the House Republican Conference and considers himself a true conservative. But he doesn't see himself as a spoiler for Trump.

"I’m an American first, I'm a conservative next, then I think about party," he said.

"Look, Donald trump is defeating himself. He is ensuring that Hillary Clinton is elected," he told ABC News today.

"I think they would both be absolutely terrible."

Former CIA Officer Evan McMullin Launches Independent Presidential Bid
How an Independent Candidate for President Can Enter Now and Compete
McMullin, 40, did not hold back in his criticism of Trump, saying that one of the latest scandals -- Trump's comments about the speech made by the parents of a fallen Muslim-American soldier -- shows that Trump is "inhuman."

"Donald Trump does not care about anyone but himself," McMullin said. "I do believe he is a fraud and a con man and that’s not something I say lightly."

As for Clinton, he said that her private email server controversy shows "she believes that she's unaccountable to the American people."

McMullin said that he had been hoping that someone with more national name recognition would come forward "many, many months ago" to challenge Trump, but he was approached about his run when "someone came to me," though he did not disclose the name of that individual. He then said that "people" who are deeply upset by Trump's run have discussed his potential candidacy.

Asked specifically about House Speaker Paul Ryan, Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus and former Republican presidential candidate -- and fellow Republican with deep ties in Utah -- Mitt Romney, McMullin said that he has not spoken to any of those individuals about his run.

"I've been wrestling with the decision for a couple of weeks," noting that he spent "time in prayer" before deciding.

When asked about two touchstone issues, McMullin said that he is "strongly pro-life," calling abortion "a test of our humanity" and said that Roe v. Wade should be overturned. He also said that "there needs to be reforms" in the tax system and "I think we need to lower taxes across the board."

McMullin also suggested that Trump is a "co-optee" of Vladimir Putin's. "I’m no fan of an authoritarian and Donald Trump is an authoritarian," he said.

McMullin said that while he just resigned from the House Republican Conference this morning via email, he already has a campaign manager and is optimistic about his campaign finances.

"The money is coming. Americans are responding very quickly," he said.

Though his campaign is not quick enough to play on a completely national level. He has already missed the independent filing deadline in 27 states, but he seems unmoved, saying that they're ready "to fight, to scrape, to claw."

"I’ve spent my life avoiding the limelight and seeking opportunities to serve. Donald Trump has spent his life seeking the spotlight and avoiding opportunities to serve," McMullin said.

"We’re focused on winning. We think the country needs a new generation of leadership."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/independe...ory?id=41213964

I've heard enough, I'll vote for him.

jc

Scott Adams has another interesting blog post up. It discusses some of the side effects of prescription medications along with inferences about some of Hillary's strange behavior of late. I have mentioned this a few times lately as a possible reason why it seems like Team Clinton is trying to hide Hillary as much as possible.

I would also add that one of the reasons I like to read Scott Adams's take is that he is an outside the box thinker. I don't agree with everything he says, I actually find it strange when somebody agrees with literally everything another person says, but I like the unique angles he takes as it is something I can relate to myself. In this specific case, I do think drug testing the presidential candidates would be a good idea.

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http://blog.dilbert.com/post/148599208386/drug-testing-presidential-candidates

Would you feel safe voting for a presidential candidate without knowing which prescription drugs he or she is taking? I asked the question on Twitter and got this result so far.

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If you said it is safe, perhaps you have never been around people taking powerful prescription drugs. Many meds influence decision-making, either directly or indirectly. You know from your own experience that you can make different decisions when you are hungry or tired. Prescription drugs often have side-effects on the body that can influence decisions. Do you want the nuclear codes in the hands of Big Pharma, in effect? That sounds scary to me.

The Moist Robot Hypothesis – which is the main theme of my book – tells you how you can manipulate your body to get your mind where you want it. Almost any important change to your body results in some sort of mental change. For example, a boob job might increase confidence, and going for a run might reduce your anxiety. In fact, the simple act of forcing yourself to smile when you are unhappy can sometimes trigger your brain to activate the happy circuitry.

In less enlightened times, we thought the brain was magic, and driven by something like a soul and free will. Science can’t find your soul or your free will, but it does know that nearly any substantial change to your body – including diet and exercise – will change your decision-making.

Have you heard of the “victory pose.” It’s a way to change your body chemistry almost instantly by putting your hands above your head like you won something. That’s a striking example of how easy it is to manipulate your mood and thoughts by changing your body’s condition. Prescription meds change your body too, often in substantial ways. When your body changes, your mind follows. The prescription meds says that very thing right on the warning label. Many of them even warn against suicidal thoughts.

So if you think prescription meds don’t CAUSE thoughts, you are not current with modern science. A person on prescription meds is essentially a chemical cyborg – part human, part science experiment.

This brings us to Hillary Clinton.

Clinton looks unhealthy to me, and to many observers. And she has had some unexplained episodes that look like leftover brain damage from her concussion, or from a stroke, or something. See Mike Cernovich explain this one. I’m not a doctor, so my medical opinion has zero credibility. But there is certainly a legitimate question here. If voters are not confident in the brain-health of their candidates, that’s as big a problem as you can have.

Don’t act like it doesn’t matter. If you do, you’re a science-denier.

I also think Trump needs to get tested at the same time. He does have a lot of energy, if you know what I mean. At age 70, nearly all adults are on some sort of meds. Let’s sort it out. Their meds might not be the type that influence decisions.

But I doubt it. I doubt it hard.

Trump takes another hit and the Brown Shirts rally to his aid with "Something is Hillary's fault! or Obama's fault or that's not what happened"... ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

It's cause they think Obama the Muslim is running.

Hey OCD, check this out. Candy... Remember your comment about the women vote?

https://gma.yahoo.com/clinton-opens-23-p...topstories.html

That's a pretty good break down as of right now.

Clinton is demolishing trump in the women's vote.

Look at the popularity section lol. Bill Clinton is at 56%, Melania is at 33%. The Clinton campaign wins on popularity! -said no one ever, except this poll.

That part had me dying bro lol. The article was odd in some parts.

But in Melania's case, what's a Slovenian black girl from Chicago got to do to get respect?

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/susan-collins-not-voting-trump-226808?cmpid=sf

Dropping like flies. GOP leaders starting to jump ship in waves.

Just like we've been hearing from Obama for the last 8 years "it's all Bush's fault"

Sorry Swish, no surprise here. Everybody and their dog knows that Susan Collins is a Republican in name only, hell I'll bet she voted for Obama twice.

Parents of 2 Benghazi victims sue Hillary Clinton for wrongful death, defamation

The parents of two of the four Americans who died in the Benghazi attack in 2012 filed a lawsuit Monday against Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton, alleging her "reckless handling" of classified information contributed to their deaths.

The case was filed in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia by Larry Klayman of Freedom Watch USA on behalf of Patricia Smith, the mother of Sean Smith, and Charles Woods, the father of Tyrone Woods, for allegedly wrongfully causing the death of their sons as well as for defamation and intentional and negligent infliction of emotional distress.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/08/...defamation.html

Report: Clinton's jobs push as senator fell flat, helped donors

Hillary Clinton’s jobs record as a New York senator – which her campaign has made a centerpiece of her pitch to voters – is coming under fresh scrutiny, with a new report claiming her economic initiatives fell flat for workers, while benefiting deep-pocketed donors.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/08/...ped-donors.html

Did you post this as a reason we should vote for Trump?

Again, I keep seeing negative attacks on both candidates, but I can't seem to find reasons to actually vote for one candidate based on their own merits.

Vote Johnson.

Thats because neither one has any redeeming qualities

Like that ever had a chance of happening.

Vote Trump because he will be the best President we have every had, his ego demands it!

MSNBC is covering it heavy.

New actor on the scene, looks like the GOP elite are backing this move to oust Trump:

Evan McMullin enters the Race for President.

https://www.evanmcmullin.com/issues

He reads like Trump lite without the crazy. He's a good balance of Gary Johnson's libertarian small government, traditional GOP big military, lot's of meddling in the world's affairs and promises to make things better for the average guy (if the average guy was rich).

Makes me wonder if the Koch brothers are behind this...

without getting all conspiracy theory on you, it is safe to assume they are behind a lot of our politicians.

I saw a little of this on TV this morning. He's missed filing deadlines in something like 20 states. Can he still get into those states?

(Dawgtalkers deletes the word ti..... so I just replaced it with -------)

Interesting video. At the start of the video when they first showed the comments, it was pretty obvious that the video lagged/skipped/whatever when he said cities, making it sound like -------. The Young Turks guy goes on to explain this and eventually shows another feed where it is plain as day that he said 'cities' in reference to Detroit and others.

I typed "donald trump -------" into Google to see what would come up. First result on Google from HuffingtonPost: "Donald Trump Appears To Make Lewd Slip During Major Economic Speech." Well, that's about what we would all expect from HP.

even if he said , who cares?

i'd probably be thinking about those racks from women at my speeches too.

It has certainly sounded likely

Even if he said it, I wouldn't care. I imagine most of us are adults here and realize that sometimes people have an innocent slip up and it's really not a big deal.

But... he didn't say it. The other non-laggy streams clearly say 'cities'. And yet, despite the fact that he didn't say what it sounds like on the one stream, despite that it wouldn't really matter even if he did accidentally say it, we have sites like HuffingtonPost, which is supposedly a news outlet reporting on it like he actually did say it! They have an entire article written about his blunder and misreading the teleprompter without any mention whatsoever that this was just the result of a laggy audio feed.

Give it some time and you will hear some on the left use this as evidence that he is sexist or misogynist or whatever fancy new word they can come up with. It's already happening to some extent on social media. Maybe this is a case where it's so obvious that there's nothing to it that it will just die down. Maybe.

Good, I'm glad some ranking republicans are standing up and saying Trump is the wrong person for the job... now if only a couple democrats had the stones to break lockstep and say the same thing about her highness... However, waiting for dissension, or even an independent thought, from ranking democrats, is usually a futile waste of time.

What if they held an election and no one voted?

This one is for Rocket, Vers, and other teachers who are against Common Core.

From the DNC Leaks, per Eric Walker (DNC deputy communications director): "Common Core is a political third rail that we should not be touching at all" and "Most people want local control of education so having Cruz and Trump saying it on a DNC video is counterproductive". This is in an email referencing some propaganda video that he does not like and instructs the recipient of the email to get rid of the references to Common Core.

Article (the link has a screenshot of the full email): http://hslda.org/docs/news/2016/2016080101.asp