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At one point I would have said HECK YEAH!!!, but now im more like meh, we dont need another drama filled head case.

I'd pass as well. They'd want a pretty big haul in return and I was never THAT high on him as a pro.

I'm pretty surprised his situation has gotten to this point.

When the kids mom says they should have done a Manning on the Chargers, I can't help thinking there is more to this whole mess.

I thought he was a helluva college player but at this point, there seems to be too much drama.. I'd have to pass.

Nailed it. I wanted Bosa with our top pick and pimped him pretty good around here. I'm thankful we avoided that drama. This offseason has been somewhat "peaceful" and not having your top pick show up for work is something that would effect that peace.

I mean,crap dudes we're hearing about our top pick making plays and showing up and etc. We've not had that in awhile.

I'd stay clear from Bosa. He's missed all this training, practice and etc and he's supposed to be changing from end to stand up linebacker? That dude is light-years behind imo. I'd pass, no questions asked.

That's funny, I was thinking the same thing. We aren't hearing about odd or stupid things happening in camp.

I mean outside of a brain dead tweet by Crow, this has been a peaceful and drama free camp. All picks were signed before camp, not holdouts and our first round pick is actually being touted as producing. How about that!

I was against drafting Bosa, but I'm not sure how much is him and how much is the NFLPA. Top picks have been getting what Bosa is asking. The players' association isn't about leaving money on the table, or setting a precedent for accepting lesser deals.

The only thing I heard on this was that this is all on the Chargers .... They are trying to change the structure of the gauranteed money. Hasn't been done the way the Chargers want to do it in the past. Seems bosa is within his rights to say heck no. I

+1, except I didn't want Bosa at all....don't trust ANY guy who attends Raves as mature enough...AND his possible use of drugs...he's proved he's drama queen...first none Qb picked and thinks he's proved something already....loves football, but isn't working with team.....Glad he's not our problem....GO Browns!!!!

eh, I probably still went to a couple raves when I was 20. That was a long time ago though. Don't remember completely.

Had the Browns stayed at 2, Bosa is the guy I would have taken.

Reading the majority of these posts reminds me that some Brown's fans are not always well-informed and have some type of aversion to good players.

To each his own...do ya think Payton Manning ever went to a rave or Brady for that matter....Bosa has talent, but I'm doubting the between the ears stuff...JMHO...GO Browns!!!!

I'd trade them whichever #1 they want from next year - Philly's or ours.

If that's not enough, walk away.

Wow, I don't think I'd trade that much. Granted, that's probably what it'd take

I'd trade that in a second! If you read the articles you will find SD is not doing what every other team that drafted a player that high has done. I was against Bosa for doing this at first, but the more I read this is squarely on the Chargers.

I send them a first and a couple of our later round picks for next year, he was a very high pick and I think he'll be good for a long time in the NFL. What SD is doing is crazy, he will never want to play there.

We've had more than our share. Didn't want him at draft time; don't want him now. He hasn't proven a thing yet...

I agree. Teams have been getting their guys signed for 2-3 years now....now Bosa shows up a malcontent.

Let him sit and re-enter. I know nothing can be said or agreed upon, but if I was on another team, I wouldn't draft him. I'd let San Diego draft him again....in the 5th round.

Punish the innocent and excuse the guilty. It's the Trump way.

Or just shoot anybody who poses a competitive threat LOL ... just alluding to his new "quote" today. Not to turn this into a political thread.

Get off it....this isn't political but apparently you let that rule your life and opinion.

I am talking about the only malcontent to not sign. I can't help it a player you like is a guy who won't sign.


I am glad we didn't take the punk.

jc

Posting this for reference only, as there is some good info in there about the rookie pool and what the impasse is between Bosa and the team.

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...y-bosa-in-2016/

It’s official. In 2016, defensive end Joey Bosa will play for the Chargers or for no one.

As first explained last week by PFT, the window for trading Bosa closed at 4:00 p.m. ET today, 30 days before the start of the regular season. He can’t be traded until the 2017 league year opens, at the earliest.

The Chargers had shown no inclination to trade Bosa, in large part because no other team had the rookie pool space to absorb his contract. Without that, a trade couldn’t have happened.

As first explained here last week (but co-opted without credit by a certain four-letter network on Sunday), the two sides haven’t spoken since July 28. Indeed, a source with knowledge of the situation tells PFT that, as of this posting, the two sides still haven’t spoken in 12 days, and counting.

The ball, as previously explained, remains in the team’s court. The latest offer from the Chargers came on the morning of July 28, Bosa’s camp responded within 90 minutes, and the team has still not countered.

The team presumably hasn’t countered because there’s nothing to say. The Chargers want offset language to be attached to the guaranteed contract, preventing double-dipping from Bosa if he’s cut during the next four years and signs elsewhere. The Chargers also want to defer a significant chunk of the signing bonus to March of 2017, while Bosa wants the full signing bonus to be paid out this year.

Bosa is willing to concede either point. The Chargers want both offset and deferral language.

The impasse must be resolved, at the latest, by the Tuesday after Week 10. If a deal isn’t reached by then, Bosa can’t play in 2016, and he’ll remain the property of the Chargers until the start of the 2017 draft.

Again, it’s hard to see it getting to that point. It also was hard a few weeks ago to see it getting to this point.

You get off of it. Try educating yourself before rushing to judgement.

Whatever my friend. I am glad we didn't take Joey Bozo.

I'm siding with Bosa on this one. Chargers need to pay up.

If the PFT article is accurate (not holding my breath) the Chargers should concede the double-dippling thing and move on.

I don't understand this thinking. for me it would be a honor to play in the NFL.. Wish I had had the skills back then. I didn't.

Either way, today a guy drafted that high is going to be a millionaire and that's before he steps on the field. He can make a ton more by living up to the hype.

I recognize that the Chargers are throwing him a bit of a curve ball but is it really that big a deal?

Like we all know, he's going to be a millionaire the minute he signs that contract and he gets to play a game for a living.

Joey needs to grow and step up.

Except for him football isn't just a game, it's his profession. He and his family know first hand how the NFL can chew you up and spit you out. John Bosa was a first round pick who lasted 3 seasons in the NFL. His uncle, Eric Kumerow, another 1st rounder lasted 3 seasons with the team that picked him and hung on for one more.

If you were a wanted commodity interviewing for a new job and during the interview they told you that you were amazing and had everything they wanted, but they weren't willing to pay you market value, how would you respond?

To us, football is a game. To the players, it is business. A job that they may like, but business.

and had his father and uncle played today, they'd have been millionaires at signing.

Honestly, I think my point stands....

But is this the issue? I think the money is essentially slotted for Bosa but how it's dispersed is another matter. He'll get his guaranteed money. The issue (in publications) is all at once or spread out, right? I think the 'market' has been established for players since the last CBA, informally at least.

I don't get the Chargers' stance on the double dipping thing. Most top ten picks stick around for at least four years, no? I don't see how double-dipping should be a sticking point this late in the process.

Not if you believe in what economics call the time-value of money. Essentially, a dollar today is worth more than the promise of a dollar a year from now. The "dollar" now can be invested and will theoretically be more than 1 dollar after the year passes.

Agreed, and that's a great point!

Do we know if there is precedence on rookies getting their guaranteed all at once?

Pimped him as well. We would get an unsigned project with a lot of making up to do. If we thought he could fit and not outrageous tag, maybe. But this nonsense isn't what we need. What he doesn't do may count for more than what he can do. Quite a player with a lot more drama than I expected. Overall, pass.

Not sure how u blame Bosa here .. The Bolts are breaking precedent here ... This explains it very well ... Not that I give a rats ass ... Just not sure how anyone blames Basa here ... It says right here the squabbles over 2 things that most NFL teams give one or both of the squabbling points too .. And every top 3 pick over the last 5 years has had there signing bonus paid out by the end of their rookie years ...

*shrugs* ... What's Bosa doing wrong? ...

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/08/the-joey-bosa-chargers-contract-dispute-explained

So what’s holding up the agreement? Let FTW explain…

Who is Joey Bosa?

He is a talented pass rusher out of Ohio State. The Chargers, who are in desperate need of pass rushers, took him with the third-overall pick in the 2016 NFL draft. It was assumed Bosa would be starting for San Diego from Day 1.

So he’s holding out for more money?

No, he’s not. The draft slotting system determines the total value and length of his deal, as well as his signing bonus. Bosa and the Chargers are pretty much fighting over when he gets his bonus money.

What do the Chargers want?

The team wants to hold off on paying a large portion of Bosa’s signing bonus until March 2017. Bosa wants to be paid that money by the end of the 2016 season. The Chargers say they do not want to break precedent by doing so, despite the fact that every top-three pick over the last five years has been paid their signing bonus by the end of their rookie season.

Is that really the only issue?

Not exactly. The Chargers also want to include what’s called “Offset language” in Bosa’s contract, which essentially allows them to save a few millions if they decide to cut Bosa after his third season and another team signs him.

What’s Bosa’s reaction to this?

Bosa says he’d agree to the “offset language” if the Chargers agreed to pay him his signing bonus by the end of next season. Or he’d agree to hold off the signing bonus payment if the team agrees to drop the “offset language” in his contract. He’ll accept one or the other, but not both.

So really, the Chargers are just being cheap?

Yes. Most NFL teams are willing to give their top picks one or the other, if not both. Bosa isn’t asking for anything crazy here.

TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP!!!

Good read, Thanks for the article. It changed my mind.

(I am still glas we didn't draft hin)

j/c...

I would be concerned that the Chargers just don't have the cash... but IIRC teams have to put guaranteed cash into some account once the player signs the contract, and so pushing back the disbursements wouldn't help a lack of funds.

I wasn't blaming Bosa. I think the problem lies w/the Chargers.

*LOL* ... All I know is he's one hell of a football player .. Don't know enough to comment intelligently on weather I think we should have drafted him or not .. So I'll keep my mouth shut ... ...

Looking forward to watching Coleman play .. Sounds like he's got great quicks and has a great work ethic with a good head on his shoulders ... Loving the potential with that combo .. Let's hope his hands don't rain on our parade ...

Your Welcome .. I figured some may not have been informed ..

I know u weren't .. That's clear ...

Meant for Mr. Peen and daman and other that may not know the nuts and bolts of what's going on here ..

I think you misunderstand me Diam. I'm not blaming Bosa for wanting the best deal he can get..Hell, I would also.

But there comes a time when you have to go with what's there. What bothered me more actually was his mom saying they should have done a Manning on the chargers.

I get that they changed up the deal somewhat and it may, (I say MAY) cost him some money in the long run, but I really believe Bosa stands to make millions so it's not that big a deal in the long run.

Perhaps he feels he's not long for the league because of things that happened to his father and uncle.. not sure.