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From your OWN link:

“Hillary Clinton is good for United States versus Donald Trump, who has no solutions,” Mateen told the news crew. Mateen said he had been invited to attend the rally, but this invitation appears to have been the product of his membership in the local Democratic Party rather than a deliberate choice by organizers.



Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/08/09/orland.../#ixzz4GxxpW1Do

I didn't read anything from the links your provided that said her campaign approved this.

But your OWN link said the invitation came from a local chapter.

I guess I should apologize for actually reading links. I know that's frowned upon around here. I'm sorry guys.

This is what I don't understand... why lie about it? If you don't want to be associated with him, why invite him and put him there? What would be the point?

There's starting to be a pattern of posters cherry picking parts of articles, or blatantly making things up and then posting links that in no way verify their points.

At one point, it was comical, now the closer we get to Election Day, it's starting to get sad.

Come with some fire, or don't come at all. Some of you guys stay making this easy.

This country is 83% self-proclaimed Christians, yet gay marriage is legal. Imagine that. Among the Christians I know, most have a sort of, "ok, fine, whatever, just leave me alone" attitude about it. That is that they really don't care what consenting adults do; they're just tired of having it shoved in their faces. Those are just generalities.

I have read some of the anti-gay thoughts on here. Suffice it to say that I don't agree with those, but at the end of the day, we are talking about words and not violence. That is much different than living under rulership where homosexuality is punished by death or being tossed in the slammer for ten years.

I'm not certain bruh.

Does christianity champion killing gays? Or is it just islam?

edit: gonna take this down so I don't put the refs in a tough spot on whether to boot me

You really don't get it. It baffles me, but it also makes me realize who some of the clinton supporters are, and what they know.

ONE LAST time: just because a "local chapter" invites someone doesn't mean they get onstage.

The dude was not only on stage, he was right behind hillary.

When questioned on it, her campaign said "oh, we didn't know."

See, they thought having that face would look good on tv, till they realized they were getting questioned about having him.

Then. all of a sudden, they say they had no knowledge of who would be on stage.

Right. Like that happens.

Hey, bruh, Brock Mealer, at the RNC. Got nominated to speak there, by his aunt. The RNC was intrigued. That was months before the rnc.

Even the absolute DAY he was supposed to speak, he didn't know if he'd get to or not.

Oh, and the background check he went through? Would've been easier to go through an audit.

SS evaluating every single part of his background.


Yet you seem to think just any old jack could get past the ss and be on stage with hillary? Please dude, stop. The clinton campaign knew exactly who was sitting behind her, on stage with her. The only reason they denied any knowledge of it was because some local media recognized the guy.

And truthfully, the guy didn't do anything wrong. So why did the clinton campaign invite him, use him, then deny knowledge of who he was?

It's laughable you support her. Your girl. Been that way for over a year.......you all down for your girl. Better to get than to give, right?

Again, post the numbers on violent incidents to gays by non Muslim Americans compared to Muslim Americans.

Still waiting.

Also, there had certainly been recent rhetoric about violence toward gays.

Your boy Ted Cruz was recently dragged into the issue.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/...es-563178051820

http://www.politicususa.com/2014/06/11/oklahoma-republican-believes-homosexuals-stoned-death.html

I dunno if Christianity champions killing gays, but there seems to be a creepy portion of Christians who do advocate for it.

And those were only two examples of a whole cramp list of situations I found.

I wasn't aware Islam champions it, either. My Muslim family in Turkey doesn't seem to care a whole lot about the topic.

But maybe you know more Muslims than me. Ya never know in today's society.

I posted facts and a rebuttal using YOUR OWN LINK.

And all you got for me is speculations? Kick rocks, youre wasting my time.

j/c:

My head hurts after reading through all those new posts.

Your girl, hillary, apparently doesn't care about the rates of gun crimes in Chicago, does she?

Your boy O doesn't either.

Nah, it's the white people that kill so many.

Oh, wait, it's not.

Your girl has some splaining to do about a lot of things, that's just one of them.

You do know how she operates, right?

Sure you do. But just ignore it.

You, and everyone that supports her. She's your girl. And after she gets your vote, she'll bite you in the ass.

LOL. You tell me to kick rocks every time you can't say anything intelligent about my posts. And trust me, you tell me, and others, to kick rocks quite often.

Have a toke dude.

I've responded to your wack post, and all you do is drone on about speculations.

I used your own link against you. And you got nothing.

I sure will take a toke. Because it doesn't matter if I'm sober or high as a kite.

I'm still running circles around you.

Obama has spoken out against black crime, so had the clintons.

But you ignore the facts. In your world, they never mentioned it.

Pointless.

[quote=Versatile Dog]j/c:

My head hurts after reading through all those new posts. [/quote
Sorry bro but I got a problem with people making things up.

And hold on a minute.

We're talking about who showed up to campaign rallies.

Where the hell did chicago violence come from?

I was trying to avoid that particular point because I think it is a little distasteful to compare the number of deaths caused by followers of particular ideologies. I know we've talked about that before in different contexts but I was trying to get away from it. However, since you requested: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of...E2.80.93present

The Orlando attack represents the majority of anti-LGBTQ hate crime deaths committed this decade. Keep in mind that Islam represents about 1% of the U.S. population and Christianity over 80%. Of course, the sample size is limited and that one big event in Orlando skews things considerably (there are several other Islamic perpetrators on that list, but almost all the attacks involve only one or two victims).

I would add that list is surely not comprehensive. Most hate crimes don't make their way onto that list. If you care to dig up more comprehensive data, have at it.

Pointless is right.

And yet, it's one incident.

So basically, just so everybody on this board is clear, you only choose one incident involving one Muslim dude and gays, and made that the basis of your argument. At least you acknowledge that your point already has massive flaws in it.

But, Please don't ever comment on me judging all cops ever again. You based Islam as a whole against gays off of one incident here in America.

Yet when do it to other demographics, I get blasted on the boards. K.

Anyway:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LGBT_people_in_the_United_States

The stats, and list of incidents involving gays.



You're right. It is distasteful.

But just like your boy Trump, nobody made you say it. You said it all on your own.

So take this L.

It's the politics thread.

Just take it as a rule that people are going to be silly and unreasonable and you'll never be disappointed

That is a good counterpoint.

On the other hand..........two wrongs don't make a right.

LOL........it's my first go-around reading the EE forum during a presidential election.


I do have to say that it blows my mind why people are not flocking towards Johnson when we have the two scumbags that represent the two main parties.

Lol

My overriding point was that gays are persecuted under Islamic rule far worse than they are under Christian rule. This is evidenced by the vastly differing laws between Christian and Islamic nations

You are the one who repeatedly pushed for me to post the stats about the amount of violence committed by Christians vs Muslims in the United States. I obliged, and even included a couple huge disclaimers that clearly show the very limited judgements that should be made off that data, due to its flaws.

You're absolutely right.

All I can say is that I try. I attempt to.

But it just pisses me off that I have to be unbiased, acknowledge black on black crime, etc. but other posters can talk trash about my community or other communities, and not have to answer to their own people's faults.

Basically, posters are sitting here trying to hold me to a standard that they don't even follow themselves.

On the other hand, most incidents of violence against black on here, most cop incidents.......don't ever recognize how the violence started.

Weird.

Don't break the law. If you do, don't run, If you do run, don't have a gun.



Some on here make it seem like cops are out hunting blacks.

Some post a video here and there.


Just so we're clear, we get a video every here and there of what, at first glance, seems to be cop abuse of blacks.


Every here and there.

Which also proved that once again, if you was trying to make a point, you're doing a horrible job of it.

Gays get harassed here more by non Muslims Americans.

So Who gets treated worse in what country is irrelevant. We're talking here in America.

We do have Muslim citizens and Muslim immigrants and refugees here in America.

Yet the majority of hate crimes against gays STILL committed by non Muslim Americans.

Next.

40 made a whole thread for you to go and bash black people bro.

Go use that thread.

This to both you and Swish. I see the points of both sides. I truly do. I also see the frustration of both sides.

I just look at these issues as both sides being somewhat right and somewhat wrong. I think it's best to understand the feelings of both sides and then come to some sort of an agreement as to how we can make things better.

I think we are all human beings and labeling any one group is dangerous and counterproductive. I think we should judge each individual as an individual and not resort to all-encompassing stereotypes that only further the divide.

I know that is hard and I am guilty of doing the same damn thing more often than I would like.

However, it starts w/the individual. If we release the hate and resentment from our hearts and try to make this world a better place, perhaps it might just happen.

I know that sounds "flowery." But, I am not a flowery kind of man. I just am afraid that we are on a collision course that most of us will regret.

I often think that there are groups of people wanting us fighting like cats and dogs. The division helps keep the masses down. And I don't believe in standing down. My sermon is to beat those people at their own game. Because if we can ever truly unite, the people that hold us down are in for a world of hurt.

About Muslims.

We often fear what we don't know and/or understand. Ignorance is debilitating.

I only know one Muslim. She was a teacher at the last school I worked for. She was bright, polite, smart, and peaceful. We had a good discussion one day and her frustration for being unfairly labeled by the masses was obvious.

Again.........I think we should judge the individual based on his or her own merits. Kinda like this:

I have black friends that I would trust unconditionally. I also know black people who I think hateful and disgusting. That can be said about each particular group of people.

I would hope so, given that Muslims make up about 1% of the population compared to (let me pull out the abacus) the 99% non-Muslim population.

You're also conveniently ignoring that ONE tragedy, committed by a man who pledged his allegiance to ISIS and yelled Allahu Akbar during the attack, accounts for the majority of anti-gay hate crime deaths this decade. Even if you remove that event, Muslims are still overrepresented in that data set, again due to the fact that we are talking about 1% of the population.

Don't get mad, Swish. You just couldn't let me avoid this topic. You had to keep pestering me to provide the facts. Those are the facts.

You're right about one thing though-- American Muslims are overwhelmingly peaceful. I have no issue with the vast majority who are here peacefully and who just want to get on with their lives. They shouldn't be bothered or harassed and it is contemptible when they are.

However, I'm concerned about the open borders policy of Obama and Hillary, and that would include a drastically increased flow of Islamic refugees from Syria and other Middle East countries. There was some fact that I read that among the Migrants entering Europe, about 73%? were male. Nearly 3 out of 4 are male! These are mostly strong, fighting age men. Why are they leaving?! It is bizarre. ISIS has pledged to hide its fighters among those refugees and my observation is that when ISIS says something, they usually deliver. Unfortunately.

In any case, Muslims are fine when they are about 1% of the population. This is true in any country so far as I can tell. There are very few issues at that level. Once they get up to 5-10% of the population you get France. Repeated Terror attacks and make no mistake about it, they're not going to stop anytime soon. The higher you go, the more attacks you see, the more special treatment they want (Sharia zones, etc). Seriously dude, wake up, open your eyes, look around and see what is happening in the world.

It's not just the anti-gay violence in the U.S. In that case you're talking about a country with 1% Islamic population targeting a population that is like 3-4% (gay). Of course that sample size is going to be small. Look at the bigger picture. Dig up a list of Islamic terrorist attacks across the world. You'll be shocked and saddened. We mostly just hear about the big attacks on western nations but others are happening every freaking day.

<<sigh>>

Haus did bring up an interesting stat about taking in more males than women and children. I don't understand that. Take in the people that can't protect themselves.

Get mad at what? You're not saying anything remotely upsetting.

I'm not conveniently ignoring anything. I've acknowledged it already in a past rebuttal to you.

But you don't get it. Your point falls apart instantly because Muslims don't have the track record against gays here in America.

^^^ you need that for your point to make sense. Don't get mad, Haus. Nah, you brought the topic up. Now own it.


And the second part of your post is...man I'm sorry bro but that's a joke. You can't possibly expect me to take that seriously.

We aren't Europe. Our culture is not the same as Europe. Muslims aren't segregated here in America like they are in Europe.

We've already been over this. We already have refugees here.

No bombings. No killings.

But you know what I get it now. It just hit me.

You're a trump supporter. You actually believe that our country isn't great, like he says.

It makes so much sense Now

You're willingly ignoring the fact that we assimilate people from all over the globe better than any other nation on this planet.

You actually think we're at the same level as Europe?

I can't take you seriously.

Next topic, please.

And yet, you preach about how Europe does this better, that better, etc.

Damn man - you can't have it both ways. You can't preach about how we aren't Europe in one thread, than turn around in another thread and say "Europe does it better."

You're young and idealistic, but when your ideals change from thread to thread, it gets confusing. You can't espouse German nicities in one thread, then turn around and denounce them in another.

Well, you can. But that's not how it works in the real world.

Man what are you talking about?

I mention certain things that some countries do better.

That doesn't mean a particular country is better overall. How are you that old yet don't understand that simple concept?

Don't ever talk to me about the real world.

At least you are acknowledging, in a roundabout way, that it is a problem in Europe. That is a good start. I am confused why you think it is such a stretch that the problems regularly seen in Europe could also happen in the United States given open borders and some time. I think it is good to know history and to know current events as both give great insight into the present and future.

By the way, here's your gal Hillary talking about how the best way to help Israel deal with Iran's nuclear capability is to overthrown the Syrian regime of Bashar al-Assad. Thank her for that mess (along with Libya and many other 'questionable' decisions) https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/18328

#NeverHillary

Ah, so I"m old. Got it. You will be too some day.

Nah bud, you've said how much better we'd be with the health care if we did it like germany, how much your wife prefers germany, how other european countries beat our ass in everything else, you wanting to move back to germany, your wife wanting to move back because americans are just rude, and stupid. It goes on and on.

And, yeah, I will talk to you about the real world here in the states. You can listen, you can learn, you can ignore. That's on you.

The real world isn't bullets and bombs bud. The real world isn't smoking pot daily. The real world starts, and ends, where you allow it.

Definitely not one of her brighter foreign policy issues.

I've always acknowledged the problem was Europe. Plenty of times.

That's what happens when you don't pay attention to what I post. This isn't anything new. I've been saying Europe is a problem since 2013 on this board.

Again, the cultures and other factors are totally different. The language barriers are totally different.

Muslims in America are forcefully segregated like in Europe. Sure, there are Muslim neighborhoods, just like there are Jewish, Polish, Czech, etc communities.

But compared to Europe? We don't have problems.

Yes, we have had recent problems with Muslims, but all in all, we got nothing to complain about compared to Europe.

And that's because of OUR culture here in America.

In America, you do your part, and in general, you get left alone. Do whatever the hell you want.

And it's worked great over here, for the most part. It's not the same in Europe.

I've said this before, but I have to say it again:

Guys, the shadow of WW2 is still there, especially in Eastern Europe. That WW2/Cold War era JUST ended for some.

They still don't have their stuff together, and then a refugee crisis happened.

You guys HAVE to understand those dynamics when talking about refugees here in America compared to the ones in Europe.

There's so many factors that goes into the differences.

But at the end of the day, the paranoia from refugees is just that; paranoia. We already have refugees here. We already have Muslims here.

I'm sorry, but I don't believe in a boogeyman.

Yes, my German wife prefers Germany.

What an absolute shocker. That is just unheard of.

Yes, certain countries do things better than we do. But overall, were still the greatest.

I'm not gonna get suckered into your lame jabs. All I know is that you're really, truly, pointless.

I don't believe Europe is the problem. Most of us agree that Europeans have built some very fine nations, which is a big reason why some of the Western and Northern European countries are such attractive destinations in the first place. The refugees aren't content to stay in Greece. It's safe there but that isn't enough. They want to go where the benefits are (welfare, free healthcare, etc.)

Sometimes I hear oversimplifications like how these European countries need to try to educate and integrate refugees. Like, come on, do you really think that nobody has thought of that?! My observation is that third world people = third world problems. I'm not sure how else to put that, it obviously isn't always true on the individual level, but as far as I can tell, it's always true on a bigger scale. Maybe you can come up with an example where a first world country successfully integrated a massive contingent of people from a third world country without major problems. I can't think of any.

I'm not talking about the United States picking the best and brightest from countries around the world. Of course it is going to be easy to assimilate those kinds of people. Maybe a better example would be the inner cities in the Southwestern United States, or other areas where there is massive, largely uncontrolled immigration.

Deep down, you probably know what I'm saying. I seem to remember you saying that Americans are better than Turks. That is your observation based on your personal experience. I'm probably biased as I am a proud American but I agree with you.