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IIRC Greco was acquired by Shurmur for a late round pick from STL ... that was a good pickup

We got him for a conditional 7th rounder. I'm not sure how better that could've turned out for us. He's a quality starter and he can play above average at multiple positions.

Greco is one of the few Pat Shurmur Era highlights that we can smile and be positive about. I clapped when I first heard we extended him five years.

Thanks, I thought so ... maybe one of the few good things that regime did

Say what you mean using words, or shut up

No need to.........you said it all for me.

Technique applies just as much as strength though. Maybe part of it is that.

I just think that it's a bit early to start panicking about this unit. Only one preseason game. Not that many reps. Just shedding some rust.


Maybe concern is warranted, but panic? I dunno. Hopefully, if it's that bad, the coaches will let the FO know and we'll start looking at bringing in a Center or RT. But at least for me, I can't get that worried after one single preseason game with just a few snaps for the 1st offense

Vers ... Settle down big fella ... Let it go with DaMan .. WHO CARES? ... U hate Trump but in a lot of ways your a lot like him ...

Just say this and then move on like a big boy instead of going all Trump on him and defending yourself and acting like a 3 year old when there's no reason for it ..

On top of that .. Is DaMan worth the time? .. Come on bro ..

And I only say this cause there's a lot of BS in this thread between you two that no one CARES ABOUT .. Take it to PM ..

I'd say SUMPTIN to him ... But unlike u, I simply ignore those that don't meet a certain posting level in a few areas ...

So please bro ... Don't take this the wrong way ... Just trying to help the board out ...

All u have to do to end this one and MOVE ON (don't be the Donald bro ... .... )

Ask RG3 how much time he spent in the hot tub after playing one quarter and dropping back I believe a total of 8 times against a DL that rushed 4 and didn't stunt at all ... It doesn't get any EASIER THAN THAT ... And does anyone know if they took their first team DL out after 1 series and the 2nd teamers WHOOPED our 1st teams asses? ...

NO ONE and I mean NO ONE can feel good about our OL ... DaMan may not be panicking and neither should U or I .. But everyone in the building should be figuring out how to keep our QB'S upright with a less than stellar OL .. They can't panick but there certainly SCARED as hell and they best be designing things to keep our QB'S healthy ..

And Vers .. U and I didn't need Friday night to know that .. The OL is in trouble and anyone not wearing brown and orange colored glasses knew it long before Friday nights debacle ...

The funny part to me Vers is the fact folks keep saying it'll get better .. WELL NO KIDDING .. Not sure it gets worse than it was Friday night ...

And once again .. This was against VANILLA and more than likely for 1 series the BACK UP DL ...

Oh God .. And we're gonna be behind early in most games ... YIKES ...

I bet RG3 and McCown are panicking ... *L* ...

McCown may soon be demanding a trade .. ...

As per our "unofficial depth chart" released today and posted on CB.com - Alvin Bailey has slipped to 3rd.

Anyone think Matthews has a chance to make the team? I really like the kid, his heart and soul is in this but, he has a big hurdle to overcome given his size and weight.

Bailey is RG only and its tough for that guy to make the team unless he is your starter. Was a waste of time trying him at tackle anyway.

http://prod.static.browns.clubs.nfl.com/assets/docs/pdf/2016/8_18_16_Depth_Chart.pdf

He's our third string center and he doesn't play any other positions. I'd say he's one of the first cuts.

Going to have to agree on that one. First wave of cuts, unfortunately.

Please keep in mind Erving preached about his technique all offseason and supposedly worked on it and got in better shape. Granted, first preseason game/first looks and etc, but he just looks completely lacking of strength and power.

This alone, imo, is reason for panic. Not concern, panic. IMO anyway. If he's going to be our center, playing as is, it won't matter who's at RT, our qbs are going to get crushed when our center cannot provide any sort of anchoring or protection.

I hope you're right and I'm dead wrong, but Erving alone is reason to believe RGIII better not have forgotten how to scramble for his life.

My bet is that Jackson will have a pretty tight leash with players who are not performing up to snuff. If Erving stinks, he will be yanked and replaced. The problem is that his backup is Greco, so if we move Greco over the right guard becomes a problem.

Rookie offensive linemen are often bad. We have two of them in contention for playing time (Drango and Coleman).

I realise some things need to play out, but at this point is not Gerhart the backup OC? IIRC, he played with the second string against the 'Pack...

Not if we keep Bailey and he slots in as RG.

I'd imagine if Erving is bad that Greco would slide over. You could be right though.

Bailey, the guy who is currently getting beat out by two mid round rookies and was not tendered a cheap contract by the Seahawks (who have holes all along their offensive line).

But, beaten out as RT not as RG and as somebody posted above...he is a RG and it is foolish to play him as RT. Not arguing just pointing out that if Erving is yanked then we do have a viable option to play at RG if Greco shifts to center.

Bailey is not a viable option. He is bad. Again, he was not tendered a contract by the Seahawks when they could have kept him for very cheap.

Here is the Seahawks depth chart:

http://www.espn.com/nfl/team/depth/_/name/sea/seattle-seahawks

Their offensive line is a complete disaster. They did not want Bailey.

j/c (sort of...)

How many OLinemen are we going to keep on the 53 man roster?

- Thomas, Bitonio, Greco, and Pasztor are locks,
- Erving, Gerhart, Drango should make the squad leaving,
- Coleman and Bailey fighting for #8 (if we keep that many).
- Goodbye and best wishes to the rest...

Drango and Coleman are locks too. Teams don't cut draft picks that quick, especially when they are competing for starting positions.

I'd say we keep Thomas, Bitonio, Greco, Erving, Coleman, Drango, and Bailey. With one of Drango or Coleman being inactive on gameday.

Bailey slipping isn't a good sign ... and Matthews will have to perform well the next two games IMO

The only thing keeping Bailey on the roster is his versatility and experience.

You forgot Pasztor from your keepers.

Other than that I agree with you. I think Coleman is most likely to be inactive as Drango has been showing more versatility.

Maybe we can get Matthews on the Practice squad.

Starters: JT, Bitonio, Erving, Greco, Pasztor
Backups: Coleman, Drango, Bailey
PS: Matthews

j/c:

I think that perhaps the reality of why some of us were upset during free agency might finally be sinking in.

Our OL was worse last year in our first preseason game than it was this year lol. just the nature of practice limitations. Its 4 or 5 weeks before u know what you have in an offensive line.

After watching some film with RGIII at QB, I saw Erving playing pretty good. Didn't look like he was overwhelmed. I did see his man get to the QB on a play that he tied him up for a sec then the MLB came in and Erving let his guy go for some reason and blocked the MLB. He'll need to fix that, but it's hard to block two. IMO He'll be ok.

I don't know how long it will take, Mourg', but I do believe (my opinion of course) we will improve as the season progresses. By the start of this season, I expect them to have developed a passable level of competence and cohesiveness. Given time and good health, I feel this group can be an above average O/Line...

Greco and Paz was blocking the same man, on that play. Erving may have made a bad line call but Erving letting his man go to stop the backer running free probably saved RG3's life.

Tony Grossi @TonyGrossi
Safety in Green Bay helps earn Jamie Meder reps with No. 1 defensive line http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland//post/_/id/1781 …
3:02 PM - 15 Aug 2016

It wasn't his safety, I mean c'mon... the guy went completely untouched and unblocked by the opposing oline on that play. Tank Carder should have gotten more credit.

Meder earned that because he looks meaner, more aggressive and etc than Shelton. No knocking Danny, but it is what it is. Jamie moves very well for a big guy.

Good for Meder. He deserves a chance to start and have success

He was getting reps at DE not NT. I'm guessing they weren't impressed with the run stopping on that first series.

This could also be a way to motivate Shelton. ??? Meder earned the reps and Shelton needs a fire lit under him; two birds one stone.

Shelton just might not be good. It was stupid to draft a two down linemen and a center in the first round as it was, then they both might be bad.

Ray Farmer was the worst.

Go back and rewatch. The safety, he was lined up at NT. Ogbah and Nassib lined up on opposite sides, and they were in their base 3-4. Johnson and I think it was Mingo on that play at LB.

But I would assume the second half of what you said as being true. I don't think Shelton was double teamed a single time, and getting pushed back on single one on one. Ouch...

*EDIT*

Oh you meant reps at practice at DE, I'm guessing? That I didn't know.

Well Nick Hayden was terrible. A little surprised the DE reps are going to Meder over Ogbah and Nassib but Hayden has to go in terms of starting lineup.