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That could be. Heck, it's probably true. I just haven't totally given up on the guy, yet.
I'm probably wrong. Who are you, and what have you done with Vers? 
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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Some things never change...the Browns giving away talent and teams with Super Bowl expectations waiting for the clueless Browns management to "give them away".
Now watch Mingo play lights out for the Patriots. Mingo was going into the last year of his rookie contract and the Browns did not want to be faced with spending the money to resign Mingo should he play well this year. It follows a Haslam theme...the Browns being too cheap to re-sign their own players.
BTW, a Patriots 5th round pick might as well be a 6th round pick. It doesn't take a talented front office to give talent away..but it does take a talented front office scoop up talent paying next to noting for that talent.
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Wow. Seems like a steal for the Browns at this point in time. It is. I doubt he would have made the team. It's a good move for us and for Mingo. NE will figure out how to uise him. It should salvage his career. 5th rounder is a good pick. You can find good players or package in a move up situation.
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jc...
Some things never change...the Browns giving away talent and teams with Super Bowl expectations waiting for the clueless Browns management to "give them away".
Now watch Mingo play lights out for the Patriots. Mingo was going into the last year of his rookie contract and the Browns did not want to be faced with spending the money to resign Mingo should he play well this year. It follows a Haslam theme...the Browns being too cheap to re-sign their own players.
BTW, a Patriots 5th round pick might as well be a 6th round pick. It doesn't take a talented front office to give talent away..but it does take a talented front office scoop up talent paying next to noting for that talent. Sorry Mac....it isn't about that they get out of him. It's about what we would get out of him. For whatever reason, Mingo was never a fit in this city. It's a good move for all.
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Gilber is a poor tackler. That is why he won't be switched to FS. Agreed. He's about only good for kick returns at this point. He's absolutely useless against the run. I have a hard time seeing him make the team. He doesn't wanna hit anyone. That's not my type of football player........ If your coverage isn't that good, then you have to play aggressive and be all over the ball when it gets there (like the way the Steelers have done it). He doesn't seem to do that. I think Alexander makes the team and Scooby goes to PS. Agreed and agreed. With Mingo gone, this opens it up at LB so we could have ILB: Demario, Kirks, Tank, Domanique, Schobert (OLB/ILB), OLB Kreuger, Orchard, Nassib, Ogbah. That makes 9 guys. I think that's about all we'll fit. When Bryant comes back, he'll be counted in with the D-Line guys IMO. Scooby will be Practice Squad. Domanique is the guy who's shined so far. I just wonder how long Scooby will last on the PS. It's not like he's been bad, it's just that our bottom tier guys have played better than expected 5th round pick for Mingo is a pretty good deal IMO. It's sad because he showed potential as a rookie, and he's very athletic and shows good character. I just don't think his instincts are there to be successful in the NFL. He's been absolutely horrid vs the run. I always felt in order for Mingo to be successful he was going to have to play under a DC that would look to maximize his crazy speed and athleticism instead of making him something he clearly could never be. Week after week his rookie season I was blown away with just how quick he was. Granted he would overrun or misread plays that took him out of position, but I think that season was really the only season that they tried to take advantage of his abilities. After that when Pet came in it's like they tried to make him like every other DE/OLB combo out there. Seeing that didn't work they put him in coverage which he was decent at, but still didn't play to his strengths. Personally I always felt Mingo was the kind of guy you send on delayed blitzes and shooting gaps at the snap, kind of like what they do with TroyP types. If it's true the Pats have been wanting him for awhile, I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up having a productive season this year. But a 5th in exchange is pretty nice!
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It's a good move for all.
As long as you realize that is purely an opinion.
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I think Mingo will do well in NE. Their defense is stacked with talent. It's easier to plug a guy into a talented defense like NE than to require him to be the savior of a bad one like Cleveland.
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It's a good move for all.
As long as you realize that is purely an opinion. It's a message board on a topic that is all about opinion. What else would it be? That said, it is a good move for all involved. He wasn't going to do anything for us. Horton had him a few years ago and couldn't figure it out with the kid....what would change this go? Belicheck is a defensive mind...he seems to think he can plug and play Mingo in a role that will help his team., but sure, it's possible Mingo flops for NE as well and giving up that 5th rounder will look pretty dumb.
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I wish Mingo the best in new England this year except week 5 when they play the browns.watch him get like 2 or 3 sacks and a forced or recovered fumble against us
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Horton had him a few years ago and couldn't figure it out with the kid....what would change this go? Actually, he played well under Horton. I think he had 5 or 5.5 sacks that year.
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Someone mentioned Scooby Wright, and I think that he could be the guy who has the dreaded 4th preseason game injury ...... and gets a full year to get his speed back. I believe that I read where he has said that he is only like 75% or so of his speed ..... so he could be the guy who gets the time to fully recover, and maybe he's an impact guy next year. His instincts are excellent .. and if he can get his speed and quicks back, he could be something special.
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So what are you saying...you wish we had kept him? I trust the coaching staff was questioned before the move was made.
I don't think he was going to be signed past this season. It was time to move on and gain a little something for the trouble.
Strange. By all accounts the guy has underacheived for his entire career here, yet we have some lamenting the fact we moved him for a 5th rounder because someone else might get something out of him.
And the beat goes on, and the beat goes on
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Mingo
McFadden
Slaughter
A.Bryant
Gilkey
...and not even one warm body from the UDFA class.
That was just three years ago. NOTHING
Of all the horrible Browns drafts, this one takes the cake and we had a top 10 pick (at 6!). The morons should have taken the Rams offer, it was an easy draft day decision in a weak class at the top, but they couldn't wait 30 more minutes to feel important. Most with half a brain on here saw a raw size/speed pick coming the moment Lombardi got hired, and sure enough, that's what we got. It was a new low after years of lows.
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I always pulled for the guy too. I hoped he would prove he was worthy of the 6th pick but, clearly not. That said, I too totally expected he would have been cut so I am happy to have a 5th for him.
We play NE week 5....we'll have first hand evidence of what NE are able to do with him.
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I expect him to contribute in NE ... he'll play the weakside OLB and will rush the passer/cover on passing downs ... he'll rotate in there
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Pretty good. That means other teams probably wanted him too.
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Plus couldn't we get like 3-4 comp picks. Yuuuuuup. Mack, Schwartz, Benjamin, at least.
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And we have some on here who think the Browns are smarter than the Patriots.
And the beat goes on, and the beat goes on
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jc...
Some things never change...the Browns giving away talent and teams with Super Bowl expectations waiting for the clueless Browns management to "give them away".
Now watch Mingo play lights out for the Patriots. Mingo was going into the last year of his rookie contract and the Browns did not want to be faced with spending the money to resign Mingo should he play well this year. It follows a Haslam theme...the Browns being too cheap to re-sign their own players.
BTW, a Patriots 5th round pick might as well be a 6th round pick. It doesn't take a talented front office to give talent away..but it does take a talented front office scoop up talent paying next to noting for that talent. You're right. Somethings never change with you. Mingo is a waste. My God.
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I'd be happy if I were Mingo... especially under a defensive coach who won't let you rush the QB.
I'm sure Jabaal Sheard is happier in NE.... if Mingo sticks, he will be no different.
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I still think Gilbert has a chance to be a stud in this league but it isnt at corner. Over the top free safety is where he would be headed. That would be an extremely minority opinion.
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Pretty good. That means other teams probably wanted him too. Yes, in a FA way. NE probably liked the deal he is in and didn't want to start bidding against others. Take him this year and see if they want to extend him next year. NE will probably get some sort of 5th round comp pick....seems they do every year....we'll get that no doubt, so it's almost like they aren't giving up anything at all.
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1 year rental. He'll drop in coverage situational.
Mingo won't be in NE in 2017.
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He was playing third-string vs. Falcons. Pretty much summed it up, so I'm glad we got something for him, & I wish him well in NE (even though I hate them).
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1 year rental. He'll drop in coverage situational.
Mingo won't be in NE in 2017.
I tend to agree, but you never know....maybe they find the key and role that works for the kid. He does have a skill set you don't easily find.
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My Hatred for the nonsensicalness of this trade will not undo it.
(bunch of rabble rabble by Throw Long, sour grapes)
Bottom line Sum it up.
Patriots win this trade. Analytics is dumb.
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I love how some on here are proclaiming the Browns "stole"
A 5th rd pick from the Patriots.
No the Pats gave up a 5th rd pick for a top 15 pick.
Apparently Belichek saw something in Mingo to bring him
On board. Belichek has a trend of taking good talent from losing
Teams and making them big contributors for his team.
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thanks to the Lions for driving the "price" up ... maybe Mingo does well though
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I guess Hue is a genius too since we got RG3 for NOTHING. lol.
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There was no steal in this deal.
Unfortunately, Mingo just never worked out here. I always rooted for him, no way did he ever play up to his draft status.
I do know for a fact this was a Romeo Crennel pick.
We have been through so many changes since then, who knows what his real role was suppose to be.
At this point the new regime has a plan ( could it be-Ha) and Mingo was not a fit,
evident by playing with the 3's in preseason.
So IMO getting a fifth was fair. I wish him well in NE to resurrect his career.
Thanks for your time in Cleveland, time to move on for all.
If I only knew then what I know today...
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I do know for a fact this was a Romeo Crennel pick.
Like times a billion.
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I do know for a fact this was a Romeo Crennel pick.
Like times a billion. How does Crennel fit into this picture?
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The Patriots have often taken on high ceiling talent from other teams (whether by trade or free agency). Sometimes they do well with that talent (Corey Dillon, Randy Moss), sometimes they do not (Chad Johnson, Albert Haynesworth.
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I do know for a fact this was a Romeo Crennel pick.
Like times a billion. How does Crennel fit into this picture? He drafted Mingo. Get with the program.
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Sad it didn't work out... Glad we got something for him
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