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Kruger's base salary for this year was $7,000,000.
Mingo's base salary for this year is $675,000.

But we are eating $2.4M of Kruger's $7M. I'd guess that's worth a seventh rounder from someone.

That money has already been paid out to Kruger according to beat writers. The $2.4 (prorated signing bonus) is just a cap adjustment that effects the books, if I understand it correctly. We lose no money on the cut. I think any team would have to pay his base salary if traded.

His salary is already paid, but he still has some dead money on his contract. We still save more than we are paying.

It would be my understanding that if we are "eating" anything, it is simply the prorated portion of any bonuses already paid.

We pocket the full $7 million on this season in terms of real cash. In terms of cap savings, we pocket that $7 million minus that prorated portion of signing bonus.

Anyone wanting to trade for Kruger would be trading for a $7 million salary.

We save money on his base contract...$6.5M by cutting. The $2.4M is just what the cap hit is on the books from the prorated bonus that was paid the day he signed his contract & according to writers, all of that has been paid including any remaining guaranteed money which was earned simply by playing for three years. Maybe we're saying the same thing.

Pretty sure the salary is not paid already. I may be wrong, but salary is only guaranteed for veterans (and paid) if they are on the roster for Game 1. The salary money is what we are saving (minus bonuses already paid).

I don't really agree with the release, as I think we are too weak on D to be letting guys walk. That said, this shouldn't keep anyone up at night.

As for his comment, he was absolutely misused here (not by this FO, but by Pettine). I think his parting shot is a fair comment, and one that should help him get past his time here and sign with a team.

I also think that line in MKC's article about it not being about youth but totally being about performance is more of a shot than his tweet.

Correct.

All bonus money has already long-since been paid and is a cap hit on this season.
Salary has not been paid and is a savings.

Net savings is the one minus the other.

I'm going off of the Over the Cap calculator, http://overthecap.com/calculator/cleveland-browns/, it is usually pretty accurate.

I like spotrac but I'm sure they essentially say the same thing.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/paul-kruger-5479/

I was using the numbers at spotrac.com regarding his base salary for this year.

Regardless of whether it is 6.5 or 7.0 million, base salary isn't pre-paid before the season, and isn't guaranteed by the CBA unless the veteran is on the roster for Game 1. Anyone trading for Kruger would be trading for that base salary.

I believe you are correct.

They are saying the same thing, Kruger's cap number was $7.7M and if he was cut (or traded) we would have $2.4M in dead money on this year's salary cap.

So if we are already at the top spot of under the cap around 50 million I believe, with all rookies signed and doubtful any new veteran FAs coming in, how do we spend the mandatory spend?

Not sure who we have to resign later this year and I know it can roll over, but again if we are building via the draft, how are we going to spend it?

The spending floor is a farce and will never be a problem for any team. Even if it was, the penalty is not really a penalty at all.

Here is a link about the 89% spending rule:

http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2015/3/9/81...9-cash-spending

Correct. But I don't think it's real money. It's just cap space we cannot use. That's all I'm trying to illustrate if I am understanding the matter correctly. We aren't losing any money on releasing him because all guaranteed money has been paid to Kruger. However, because we prorated the bonus (with two remaining years left-2016, 2017) our books are effected, but not real cash.

We could easily re-sign guys that perform during the season and give a large signing bonus that has a fat chunk on this year's cap. We've done it before.

But Haslam is so cheap! He just wants to save money!

We need to be trolling the wavier wire for DE's, CB's and back-up o-lineman.

Also we need to find a good Pee-Wee league coach to act as a consultant. (They teach you how to tackle in the Pee-Wee league.)

There's probably little value in scouring the waver wires. I mean, we may find a guy or two that bumps another guy or two off the bottom of our roster, but the top end of our roster - the starters - is almost certainly set in stone at this point. Waiver pickups will just swap out the guys that will be getting cut in the next round when we drop to 53.

Pot Roast is out there and could help on running downs.
Any CB on the waiver wire right now has to be better than Gilbert.
I'm not saying that it will make a huge improvement, but I can't see it getting much worse.

He should have never been given that huge contract in the first place.. Kruger was a good player, but a lot of that had to do with who he played with in Baltimore.

j/c:

So because of our draft picks and the fact we're probably going to be bad, should I be rooting for Cleveland or Philadelphia Week One?

The anxiety waits for no one.

We own Phillis 1st. Go Browns.

I was only joking. However we also own our first. Losing to PHL helps us just as much as PHL losing to us.

Again, just having some fun.

With the first pick in the 2017 NFL draft the cleveland browns select ______

With the 2nd pick in the 2017 NFL draft, the Cleveland Browns select ____

The Cleveland Browns have have traded the 1st pick w/ [insert team name]

The Cleveland Browns have traded the 2nd pick w/ [insert team name]

Perhaps all of that is true, but unless the guy you pick up is good enough to jump 22 other guys, it's almost pointless. You'd be bringing in a guy and cutting someone you have, just to in turn cut the guy you're bringing in next week.

So, unless you want to take a much closer look for later on, or possibly for practice squad, there's little value in scouring right now.

j/c

I don't think it was ever the FO's intent to improve this team.

I think their intent, all along, has been to start over from scratch.

Some of us have to reconcile with that even knowing the pain we've been going through is sure to be prolonged moving forward.

Some veterans are a fit, even if not an ideal fit. Some have to be kept due to financial considerations. Everyone else is fair game.

In his first season I remember Savage saying he'd like to fast-forward to the end of the season so he'd know what he has to work with and what he has to do.

Currently we have Joe Thomas, Bitonio and Joe Haden along with a world of untapped and/or unknown potential.

Ladies and Gentleman, this is your Cleveland Browns.

K'Waun Williams was the guy that was cut to get down to to 75. What a fail.

it's FTS O'Clock.

Financial Tracking Service?

Free The Steve?

I guess I was wrong on this one:



https://twitter.com/NateUlrichABJ/status/770347120259952644

I'm going to quote this for the general idea of what I'm about to post because it kind of follows. I agree with this sentiment. The problem is this only works when you have a young QB who is the future who is going to grow as they build the team. The Browns have no QB. There is literally no light at the end of this tunnel.

Ray Mickens 2.0.. sad part is he is the best we got outside of Haden..

Coaches can lie and/or change their mind.

I am not a bit surprised that Kruger was cut. I fully expect that we would have cut Des Bryant if he had not been injured as well.

This team is in build with youth mode.

Here is the list of our players with more than 5 years experience:

Josh McCown
Andy Lee
Joe Thomas
Tramon Williams
Gary Barnidge
John Greco
Joe Haden
Marlon Moore
Andrew Hawkins
Rahim Moore

That's it.

On this list, if my last name is "Moore", I am not very comfortable. McCown's chances have improved somewhat. Le, Thomas, Barnidge, Greco, and Haden are all pretty safe. I thought that Hawkins was, but if he doesn't do something on the field .... then who knows? Tramon Williams probably should be safe .... but he is 33, which is ancient for a CB.

In addition to these 10 players with more than 5 years experience, we have only 4 more players with 5 years experience. (and that counts this coming year as a year of experience) These are Tank Carder, RG3, Demario Davis, and John Hughes III. This is going to be a very young team.

We are at 75 players now.

We have:

16 DBs
7 DL
1 FB
1 K
1 P
1 LS
12 LB
12 OL
3 QB
6 RB
5 TE
10 WR


I suspect that the guys who have to worry from this point out are pretty self evident from a quick glance at the remaining roster.

Scratch Andy Lee, lol!