DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Barkevious Mingo Traded

You have been relatively fair with the FO. I'm not disputing that. But just like you don't like the slapping on of a label like "agenda" neither do I like the slapping on of a label like "spin". All I posted was a quote with a link in response to another poster and you called it spin. You didn't stop there. You also listed me and another poster as people who apparently "spin" things a lot.

So not only have you labeled me "positive", (which you think is a bad thing since you're not), I am now also a "spin" doctor for posting a quote wherein Sashi Brown briefly explains his thinking.

You are the King of slapping labels on people and also of naming names of posters as though you're trying to alert others on who not to listen to regarding opinions on the team.

I know, Amazing.

Not replying to you, Swish. Just guess I need to explain myself again, and it kind of fits with your comment.

I am not saying that we could have kept Mack, Schwartz and Gipson. I'll ignore Benji even though he was our primary threat last year. So, I am not saying we could have kept them, and I am not saying that we would be a playoff team had we kept them.

What I am saying is that (I think) we will be worse without them, than if we had them. That is all I have been saying, it's that simple. I, and a few others, have predicted that this team will be worse than last year's 3 win juggernaut as we are losing some of (what we think were) our better players and replacing them with (what we think are) less talented players. Not crying over losing those guys at all. Just saying we will be worse without them. Actually, the ones saying that we didn't need them anyway sound more like pouters.

The argument I've seen against that view is that those players were on a team that only won 3 games, so it's no big deal. They say we cannot be worse than last year. I say that since we won 3 games, we can be worse. We can win fewer than 3 games. It is definitely a mathematical possibility (let's go with arithmetic, this is hardly "math") and I think this team has what it takes to pull it off. The logic that we can't be worse this year because we sucked last year escapes me. If we were 0-16, then sure, we can't do worse. But we managed to not screw the pooch 3 times last year.

As I think Mack, Schwartz and Gipson are better than their replacements, I think we are a worse team. I am not sure that we upgraded anywhere. If I am wrong I will gladly admit it, and be happy that my team improved. And for all of you who think that will happen, I support you. Think what you want.

I do not think that one can argue against the thought that we "can" do worse, which was my original point. A bad team can get worse if they become less talented. A 3-win team "can" do worse. A 1-win team "can" do worse. I think we did become less talented, and that point is arguable as it is my opinion.

Retaining all of our lost FAs would not have put us in the playoffs, or likely even in 3rd place in the AFCN. But I do think we could have gotten 5-6 wins.

We can extend that logic to Joe Thomas. How many crappy teams has be on? More than Mack and Schwartz. Let's see if we can deal him. Think anyone would be interested?

You labeled yourself "positive." I asked you to stop w/the positive and negative labels because I thought they were unfair labels. You apparently misinterpreted my intent because you couldn't remove that burr that is stuck so far up your ass that you blinded.

Amazing.

Mingo seems to like New England.

interesting quote there by mingo about DL actually doing their job and LBs filling gaps

First time in the nfl realm he's probably experiencing that. He'll go from hating the 3-4, to loving it. Again, I wish nothing but the best to him and Sheard.

I don't know why anyone would be one little tiny bit surprised that there is a significant difference when going to a team that has won at least 12 games for what .... 5 straight years ..... and which has won numerous Super Bowls ...... from a team that has had 5 head coaches and 4 GMs in the past 5 years.

As much as I have complained about the fact that we let all of our free agents go without much apparent attempt to re-sign them ..... I do think that the Browns have a good plan for building the team, overall. I also think that they picked the right head coach, and that the team has some exceptional assistant coaches. I am encouraged, but let's face it .... we have an owner to whom continuity is a 4 letter word. That is frightening, especially in a year where the team has been torn down to the studs, in the process of rebuilding from the ground up. 45 of the 75 players left on the roster as of right now are either rookies, or were rookies last year. 9 more are entering their 3rd seasons. This is a complete and total tear-down, and it is going to take time for the team to grow and develop. The Pats have so many of their key positions settled that plugging in a rookie here, or someone they got from another team there, is relatively easy.

Anyone who expects more than a handful of wins this season is setting themselves up for disappointment. I just hope and pray that the guy who signs the paychecks realizes that this process is going to take time, and that there will be ups and many downs.

Yeah, while the comments were expected, it still sucks hearing them. One organization is "on it's way" to winning after being a loser for so long and one has been a winner for a very long time. I didn't take it as him bashing us at all.



LINK

http://www.patspulpit.com/2016/9/1/12760...s-with-patriots

Amazing what confidence and coaching can do.

He played well all game. I was watching that game and the announcers said several times how well he was playing and once even said he was beasting out or something similar.

Can’t make this up: Former Browns pass rusher Barkevious Mingo forces back-to-back fumbles with Patriots

By Rich Hill  @PP_Rich_Hill on Sep 1, 2016, 8:02p

The Patriots acquired former 6th overall pick Barkevious Mingo last week. He’s already paying off.

It’s easy to get overexcited about plays during the preseason, but this is just too perfect to ignore.

The Cleveland Browns used the 6th overall pick of the 2013 draft on edge defender Barkevious Mingo. He was a total bust. He couldn’t win the starting job and, as the Browns went through their annual upheavals, dropped down the depth chart after coaching changes.

The New England Patriots wanted Mingo badly over the past few seasons, but the asking price was too great. Well, the Patriots and Browns agreed on a 5th round pick to transfer Mingo over to the Patriots this past week.

Mingo suited up in a Patriots uniform for the first time on Thursday. He promptly forced back-to-back fumbles once he stepped on the field.

He strip sacked the Giants quarterback on the first play, but an illegal hands to the face call on linebacker Elandon Roberts (who actually clotheslined the receiver, thank you very much) resulted in the Giants retaining the football.

No problem. The Giants handed off the ball and Mingo used his pursuit to force another fumble.

It seems like Mingo is primed to have more success with the Patriots than he did with the Browns. Sorry, Cleveland.
link

As I said earlier in this thread, teams such as the Patriots, love the Browns owner and management..because they know they can count on the Browns to hand out free gifts, such as Mingo.

Mingo also had a sack his first snap as a brown IIRC. He then had 5 more the rest of his time here.

Horton played a huggggeeeeee role in Mingo's timeline with the Browns...

I hope he balls out in NE.

good start for him there

The one sack and fumble I saw wasn't much to be impressed over. Qb rolled out instead of stepping up in the pocket, Mingo was basically outta the play big time but as the qb rolled away, that's where his speed came into play.

We'll see. I'm rooting for him to succeed but a few plays in preseason isn't much of an indication of that.

I take it you didn't really watch the game because Mingo was killing it most of the night.

yeeaa...30:40 seconds in and Mingo didn't force the second fumble, Coleman did...but he did have good pursuit tho

Dude we got robbed by NE.

I just got a 2017 2nd round pick for Mingo on Madden 17..

We are so dumb.

????

I also traded Kruger for a 2nd and 4th! And we let him walk!

#SameOldBrowns

I'm rooting for Mingo. I really am. Guy seemed to have the "want to", and seemed to do everything the right way. Just didn't live up to his draft position, which isn't all his fault.

After so many terrible drafts by terrible leaders of organizations, it's not the worst thing in the world to clean house. I'm glad we got something for Mingo, and I'm glad that he has the opportunity to take a bit of a breath and try to make this change of scenery a positive for his career.

Someone actually liked that post?

No, I definitely didn't watch the game, just the highlight reels. But also, Mingo did good in other preseason games too. Productive. Come regular season, he checked out or something. Only good in pass coverage.

Someone actually has a functioning sarcasm detector

I laughed a little!