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I understand the trauma of alzheimers... but if he's that bad, why did the NRA continue to allow him to make decisions and speak publicly? I understand Moore stalked him to his home.. but as far as Denver, why would they allow him to do that?
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Moore and Limbaugh are two sides of the same coin...both make me laugh.
Two fat loud mouths who can talk 24/7 without offering a solution. And somehow they are popular spokespeople for die hard conservatives and die hard liberals in this country.
I'm so sick of this country being polarized into two flocks of frightened sheep who find safety in numbers and care more about their damn political party winning and taking power than the welfare of the country.
Not that everybody is that way. There are people of common sense caught in the middle. Too bad not enough to get any into Congress & the White House.
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Alzheimer's is not an excuse for such a public display of the disregard of people's feelings. He doesn't even have the dignity to respect those whose family was killed - no excuse can be made for his despicable actions.
This is one of the most STUPID / ASSININE comments I have ever seen on this board. Do you know ANYTHING about the disease? Do you know anyone with this disease? I did. My mother died of it. The things she said during this disease, she had no idea she was saying. She didn't fully realize the things she was doing. She was not even close to her once very religious being and had no self awareness. Get a freeking clue!!
The reason I didn't respond to Charlie is because it's obvious he doesn't know a thing about it. My Grandma died from it. My Uncle has been married for 50 years, she was asking him how his girlfriend was -- the one who he saw BEFORE he married my Aunt.
I know what Alzheimer's is. But, don't you think that if he was so ill that they would have asked him to step down? Obviously it wasn't at an advanced stage. Because he knew what he was saying/doing.
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Love or hate Michael Moore, he always seems to bring pertinent issues to light...granted around election time (mad scientist he is).
Gun control (or lack thereof)
The reasoning, and execution of the "War on Terror"
Health Care
All issues that need discussed and addressed.
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Discussed and addressed, absolutely. Lying and creating facts to make a profit, no. That's the problem with Michael Moore. He admits he lies in his films and twists the facts...and he is profiting from other peoples' tragedies.
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Discussed and addressed, absolutely. Lying and creating facts to make a profit, no. That's the problem with Michael Moore. He admits he lies in his films and twists the facts...and he is profiting from other peoples' tragedies.
He's not the only one!
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Discussed and addressed, absolutely. Lying and creating facts to make a profit, no. That's the problem with Michael Moore. He admits he lies in his films and twists the facts...and he is profiting from other peoples' tragedies.
He's not the only one!
Still does not make it right.
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He's not the only one!
No, he's not. Others on here have brought up many times some of the other low life scum that do the same thing. Ann Coulter comes to mind.
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He's not the only one!
No, he's not. Others on here have brought up many times some of the other low life scum that do the same thing. Ann Coulter comes to mind.
My biggest problem with Moore is he tries to come across as helping the little guy, or trying to right a wrong, when all he's doing is padding his pocket. Making money is a good thing. Using people, and abusing people, to make money is a bad thing, and that's what he does with no shame.
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Discussed and addressed, absolutely. Lying and creating facts to make a profit, no. That's the problem with Michael Moore. He admits he lies in his films and twists the facts...and he is profiting from other peoples' tragedies.
He's not the only one!
Still does not make it right.
I never said it was right. I just look at it for face value.
I've seen Bowling and 9/11...do I believe everything in them...hell no! Nobody tells the truth when they have that big of an audience. Besides, people don't really want the truth, they want their individual version of their truth.
But he always stirs up drama, which is very much needed. We need to talk about health care. PERIOD.
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No, he's not. Others on here have brought up many times some of the other low life scum that do the same thing. Ann Coulter comes to mind.
My biggest problem with Moore is he tries to come across as helping the little guy, or trying to right a wrong, when all he's doing is padding his pocket. Making money is a good thing. Using people, and abusing people, to make money is a bad thing, and that's what he does with no shame.
As with most things in life...it comes down to perception. He doesn't come across that way. I would stop far short of calling him a hero though.
However, he does look like a slob. Like he stinks!
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So does Paris Hilton... 
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My biggest problem with Moore is he tries to come across as helping the little guy, or trying to right a wrong,
And the other side? They claim to be the moral one's on God's side. Let's face it,there's enough hypocricy to go around. Neither side has the market cornered in that department.
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But he always stirs up drama,
So does Paris Hilton...
Her drama came back to bite her in the ass. But it brought up a good discussion about the wealthy and the priviledged not being held accountable for the laws they break.
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My biggest problem with Moore is he tries to come across as helping the little guy, or trying to right a wrong,
And the other side? They claim to be the moral one's on God's side. Let's face it,there's enough hypocricy to go around. Neither side has the market cornered in that department.
The "other" side? What are you talking about? Like Moore or not, what we're talking about is his "use" of some people to put money in his own pocket, while projecting the image of "helping" people. What does what you are talking about have to do with any of this, other than your bias against Bush? 
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all he's doing is padding his pocket. Making money is a good thing. Using people, and abusing people, to make money is a bad thing, and that's what he does with no shame.
I wasn't sure. Because Arch phrased it in a way that might cast aspursions on this being a two way street. Just checking...............
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Simple Arch. As I pointed out above,a certain percentage from both sides of the aisle are guilty of the very same thing. It's not as "isolated incident" from only one direction.
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all he's doing is padding his pocket. Making money is a good thing. Using people, and abusing people, to make money is a bad thing, and that's what he does with no shame.
I wasn't sure. Because Arch phrased it in a way that might cast aspursions on this being a two way street. Just checking...............
Wrong. I did not, contrary to your belief.
And further more, I guarantee many televangelists are in it for the money.
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Absolutely.
Y'know, I used to be asked why I brought Clinton into most political debates about republicans... then it occurred to me, those who were asking were absolutely correct. There is no need to bring Clinton into a debate about what Bush has done right or wrong.... We can discuss what one person has done right or wrong based on it's merits, not on how it stacks up to what somebody on the other side might have done that's right or wrong.
So now I just find it amusing that regardless of who is brought up, on either side of the aisle, somebody must bring up an equally offensive person from the other side. I guess that just speaks to our desire for equality and "fairness"... .why can't we discuss Michael Moore without bringing up Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh? Why can't we discuss Bush without bringing up Clinton? Why can't we discuss Gonzalez without bringing up Reno?
These discussions have become quite boring... one side finds fault with somebody, the other side finds equal fault with somebody of opposing stripes, then we spend 4 pages with people claiming that neither side is better than the other... I liked it better when people picked a side and defended it without equivocating......
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Simple Arch. As I pointed out above,a certain percentage from both sides of the aisle are guilty of the very same thing. It's not as "isolated incident" from only one direction.
Who the hell said it was???????????????? 
And what "aisle" are you talking about? Republican vs. democrat? Conservative vs. liberal? Throw in the independents as well. This wasn't politics, pit. This was Moore.
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It's not really hard to figure out DC. Some of like to show why "we don't have a side." Whenever you can find a dasturdly,illegal,immoral or purely wrong actions on one side of the aisle,you can find just as bad of,or similar actions on the other side. That in and of itself is the disturbing part. I made it clear early on,that our view on Michael Moore are very similar. "Idiot" I think is the term.  That's when people like myself like to point that out and show just cause of why we want no part of being affiliated with either party and would much prefer to "weigh each candidate's merrit" as individuals,rather than claim allegiance to a bunch of party insiders who's only allegiance is to special interests groups from the outer fringes or their respective party's. It's not a thing of "My party is better than your party". Because I don't have a party. It's far more a thing of "Both party's pretty much are crooked as hell,so I'm not going to be directly associated with either."
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It's not really hard to figure out DC.
Some of like to show why "we don't have a side."
Whenever you can find a dasturdly,illegal,immoral or purely wrong actions on one side of the aisle,you can find just as bad of,or similar actions on the other side. That in and of itself is the disturbing part. I made it clear early on,that our view on Michael Moore are very similar. "Idiot" I think is the term.
That's when people like myself like to point that out and show just cause of why we want no part of being affiliated with either party and would much prefer to "weigh each candidate's merrit" as individuals,rather than claim allegiance to a bunch of party insiders who's only allegiance is to special interests groups from the outer fringes or their respective party's.
It's not a thing of "My party is better than your party". Because I don't have a party.
It's far more a thing of "Both party's pretty much are crooked as hell,so I'm not going to be directly associated with either."
Why can't you discuss Moore without bringing politics to the table? That's pretty simple. For most people.
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So you don't feel Colter,Limbaugh,Moore,etc.... are "promoting a party"? That they aren't on "opposite sides of the aisle"?  Jeesh Arch. I thought you knew they were.  That was my point. Yes,Moore's movies are political. Just like Rush's show and Colters writings. See,there's something new for today!
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You don't have to have a side to simply state that Michael Moore is an idiot without bringing up Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, George Bush, and televangelists... you really don't. If you blast Moore and somebody takes from that that you are a neo-con, then that is their problem, not yours.
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It's not a thing of "My party is better than your party".
Then stop waffling and when a party screws up or a member of a party screws up or when somebody associated with a party screws up, call them on it... stop ending every post with "Both sides do it." We all know that both sides have some strengths, both sides have plenty of weaknesses... is there anybody who doesn't know that? If so, raise your hand..... no hands. Ok, you can stop trying to convince everybody that you are in the middle by bashing each side equally in every post....
Moore is still an idiot.
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So discuss political bias and deciet,but only about one person at a time. Heard ya there. Doesn't mean I'll listen,but I heard ya. And exactly where did I bring "Bush" into this again? I have been discussing people "in the media" that distort things to suit their agenda in the very same fashion that Moore does. I'll start PM'ing you and get all the parameters that are permited before replying to such posts in the future. NOT!
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I'll go back and check, but I'm pretty sure every other person "in the media" that you brought up that distorts things to suit their agenda the same way Moore does..... is republican. Coincidence? I think not.
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It's not about permission... just preference.
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And exactly where did I bring "Bush" into this again?
Bush proper? Nowhere. But you slowly turned the discussion from Moore into politics, and if you can't see it, I feel for you......actually, I would guess you can't see it.
It seems I have forgotten that I am replying to the perfect American (according to the perfect american himself). The one that owns pits only to show the nation that they are a good breed and for no other reason. The perfect american that reports illegal aliens working on jobs, so as to protect the rest of us. The perfect american that judges politicians based on nothing else but their actions. The perfect american that is unbiased in every move they make. The perfect american that makes sure their grandkids are outside playing as opposed to sitting in front of a t.v. The perfect american that does a job that no one else wants. The perfect american that knows more and and believes their point of view is better than anyone else's.
I forgot all of that, pit. Go ahead. Take over. Dominate like only you know how. Turn every thread into a "Bush and republicans" discussion. Go ahead and tell us all how perfect you are, and how your observations are the correct ones, no matter what. Continue to explain away your mistakes and errors on "I did that on purpose to see if anyone would catch it". The proof is in the pudding, and many see your "proof". Call me out, have at me, whatever. I don't care. Domination and twisting is obviously your aim. I'm not like dc in that I'm not going to counter your points anymore. Have it your way.
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Firstly Arch,ALL of Moore's work IS purely political. A Michael Moore thread is about political bias by its very nature. That's what he does for a living. Can you comprehend that concept? If not,I can't help you. And you're right about one thing. I never brought Bush or politicians into this debate. I brought Colter,Limbaugh and televangalists into it. Some of whom are doing the very same thing Moore is doing. But when someone points out that he's "not the only fish in that pond" you get offended and feel some deep seated need to attack your fellow posters. Tsk,tsk,tsk. My observation? You've abandoned the discussion of personal bias with the likes of Limbaugh,Moore,Colter,etc.... And turned it into an attack upon another poster because he's pointed out that many people,both GOP's and Dems do the same thing. And it seems obvious (from my observations) that it bothers you very badly when someone points out that it's a two way street with the likes of such people. So much so,that you end up attacking them. From my observation,that's a very poor way to communicate or debate with others. Some may even consider it childish and immature,but I won't go quite that far with "my observation" of the situation. But since I'm so "perfect" as you have claimed,I suggest you seek medical help with your anger problem. It's a shame to go through life with such anger and frustration all bottled up that it manifests itself in such an ugly display of raw emotions and the need to publicly attack others for their views. Quite unbecoming actually. 
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Firstly Arch,ALL of Moore's work IS purely political. A Michael Moore thread is about political bias by its very nature. That's what he does for a living. Can you comprehend that concept? If not,I can't help you.
And you're right about one thing. I never brought Bush or politicians into this debate. I brought Colter,Limbaugh and televangalists into it.
Some of whom are doing the very same thing Moore is doing. But when someone points out that he's "not the only fish in that pond" you get offended and feel some deep seated need to attack your fellow posters. Tsk,tsk,tsk.
My observation? You've abandoned the discussion of personal bias with the likes of Limbaugh,Moore,Colter,etc.... And turned it into an attack upon another poster because he's pointed out that many people,both GOP's and Dems do the same thing. And it seems obvious (from my observations) that it bothers you very badly when someone points out that it's a two way street with the likes of such people.
So much so,that you end up attacking them. From my observation,that's a very poor way to communicate or debate with others. Some may even consider it childish and immature,but I won't go quite that far with "my observation" of the situation.
But since I'm so "perfect" as you have claimed,I suggest you seek medical help with your anger problem. It's a shame to go through life with such anger and frustration all bottled up that it manifests itself in such an ugly display of raw emotions and the need to publicly attack others for their views. Quite unbecoming actually.
Here's a mirror, pit. Take a look.
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I'm the one guilty of bringing Ann into this. I guess I have been conditioned to have to defend my views of one by slamming another. The fact is I am very much a conservative but have railed against Coulter in the past.
The thing about Moore is that he makes "documenties". That tends to lead people to believe they aren't biased works of fiction. With Ann and Rush, everyone knows where their point of view is comming from. I don't think I have ever heard major media outlets refering to Moore as a "left wing liberal".
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I don't disagree with you (like I said I take him with a grain of salt and more often than not laugh)...but a) he's making films about politcal issues and people are watching them. This, to me, is good...and b) this time he's addressing health care, which is probably our nations biggest black eye beyond our foreign policy.
I welcome the debate he will bring with this film.
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I'm afraid the problem will be: there won't be any debate. My guess is his new movie will basically say "american health care is terrible, and even worse for the poor. Look what you can get elsewhere" And many will say "oh, we need to get "x" countries health care", without realizing what it would do to the u.s. in financial terms. Moore's view is predominantly "look what's wrong with ....." and never does he have solutions that will work......Blame blame blame, much like a few on this board.
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I can guarantee a debate...there's already one brewing now.
I'm actually surprised no one has countered Moore in a documentary format. I'm not sure why it hasn't happened...'9/11' I understand, because based on all of the evidence (Iraq, which wasn't the main issue but became it since Bush lumped the two together), there's really no way to defend Bush...all you could really say was '9/11 wasn't his fault', and I don't think - in an intelligent - debate - that's even really a topic...you'd have to rely on fuzzy rhetoric...but 'Columbine' is a very controversial topic and one in which Moore's detractors have some ammo (no pun intended).
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I don't think I have ever heard major media outlets refering to Moore as a "left wing liberal".
They haven't and they won't... he's referred to as "filmmaker" or at best, a "controversial filmmaker".... never flaming left wing nut job like he should be... 
I have posted this example before, but that is my idea of "media bias"... it's not that the mainstream media outright lies all the time, most of the "media bias" is much more subtle.... I once read in the Washington Post, which is as liberal as it gets... a statement that went something like this... "The debate continued on the floor of the Senate between Massachusetts Senator Ted Kennedy and right wing firebrand Newt Gingrich.".... WTF is that? How about either "... left wing alchoholic woman killer Ted Kennedy and right wing firebrand Newt Gingrich"... or "Senator Ted Kennedy and Senator Newt Gingrich." Is that kind of equality too much to ask for?
And I have railed against Coulter too.. but I do it without a disclaimer... I have openly admitted that 8-10 years ago when her rise really started I liked her stuff, it was strong, edgy and pretty funny (especially if you agreed with her)... somewhere along the line she went off the deep end, now she just sounds bitter and hateful most of the time... I think the biggest reason might be that before, she was on the attack during and shortly after Clinton and for the last 4-5 years she's been on the defensive....
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j/c...
Not much of a Moore fan at all (too biased), but found his film "Roger and Me" interesting.
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Moore and Limbaugh are two sides of the same coin...both make me laugh.
Two fat loud mouths who can talk 24/7 without offering a solution. And somehow they are popular spokespeople for die hard conservatives and die hard liberals in this country.
I'm so sick of this country being polarized into two flocks of frightened sheep who find safety in numbers and care more about their damn political party winning and taking power than the welfare of the country.
Not that everybody is that way. There are people of common sense caught in the middle. Too bad not enough to get any into Congress & the White House.
Preach on, brother!!
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
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My biggest problem with Moore is he tries to come across as helping the little guy, or trying to right a wrong,
And the other side? They claim to be the moral one's on God's side. Let's face it,there's enough hypocricy to go around. Neither side has the market cornered in that department.
See, no offense Pit, but it's comments like these that I hate. Can we put "Sides" on the back burner and try to approach it from an unpolarized American view for once?
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
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There are people of common sense caught in the middle. Too bad not enough to get any into Congress & the White House.
Money talks. That is what counts when in comes to politics. Who has the most money and who fits the profile to have the best shot at being elected.
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I tried to find an unbiased web site to talk about it, but did you know that Moore actually DID talk to Roger. web page
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
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