DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Discussion on Hue's offense w/Griffin

I like the breakdown, but I have one quibble. On the interception that Griffin had when targeting Barnidge it was Griffin's fault, not Barnidge. I know this because the head coach, Hue Jackson, literally said it was Griffin's fault.

Coaches never lie.

I don't recall Hue saying that. I went back and watched the presser and Hue said that he, himself, takes responsibility and said its not Robert's or Gary's fault.

But either way its coach speak. No one wants to see an interception in that situation and in a grand sense whenever a QB makes a throw the results from that throw are his 'fault'.

But, in this case lets put aside Hue's and look at what we know (1) Gary didn't properly adjust his route (2) GB FS made a great play.

I wouldn't say the interception was anyone's fault, but if you're gonna choose 1 person to 'blame' (and I don't think its warranted) but for me it would be Gary not Griffin on that throw.

I don't know who was at fault on the interception. It was a preseason game. No big deal.

The only thing that worries me [no, not "worries," but makes me take notice] is that was one of the few passes where we challenged the intermediate middle and it did result in a turnover.

Usually, with it being preseason and all, interceptions wouldn't be a big deal to me.

But, if we are taking notice of situations for the purpose of making conclusions i.e. if you are gonna assess Griffin's ability to throw over the immediate middle and use this interception as evidence then imho it then becomes important to properly assign fault.

J/c

Thus far we've seen the quick/no read passing game through a variety of screens etc.
And we've seen the long ball.

Against Tampa I would like to see the passing game expand.

Intermediate passing, play-action passing, quick read/quick game i.e. spread formations w/ slants, speed outs, hitches, drags etc.

But, then again that could be the kind of offense they are saving for the regular season.

Captain Obvious is going to weigh in on the Barnidge INT...

That safety made a hell of a play.

The reason I think it was Barnidge's fault is by his immediate reaction to the INT. His reaction said he messed up.

Yeah, I noticed that too. Whether it really was his fault, I don't know. But he was either taking responsibility or being a good teammate.

I'm talking about the moment of the INT. Not afterward on the way to the bench. The moment the safety caught the ball Barnidge made the gesture.

Oh, okay I got ya. I didn't notice it.

We are all insiders:



https://twitter.com/BR_NFL/status/771411229927612416

haha we are geniuses

#Sources

Gotta love those unnamed bringers of hot takes. Sounds almost like he has been reading posts from here.

Dawgtalkers.net is Jason Cole's "source"

He probably got it from the OBR insider. It was on there sometime in the last couple of days. Browns were disappointed with his preseason, particularly that aspect.

My immediate reaction after reading it was Hue let his ego get in the way on this one.

My second reaction was watch Wentz destroy us week 1. The Cleveland media is going to have a field day with that.

Even if Griffin is terrible, it was still worth a shot. His ceiling is/was so high that a team in our position would be stupid not to take a shot.

That's not entirely true. If you're going to take shots, why not do it with Wentz at 2? If the knock on rg3 is he can't do it post snap, that is the absolute worst knock for a QB. You should have just rolled the dice on Wentz in that case. Signing RG3 likely altered the decision at 2.

I like Hue a lot. I hope he gets a lot of time to turn it around. But his ego got in the way on this one. This is the type of decision that will drive a divide between people in the organization, especially if there were probably Wentz guys and Hue said he could rebuild rg3.

Don't forget Hue's rationale for signing RG3. He saw it in his eyes. LOL. That was pretty absurd.

Another spread option QB. The failures continue.h

Because Wentz costs the second overall pick, while Griffin costs only money. Taking "shots" on the second overall pick is not wise.

If the head coach (who is an "offensive guru") doesn't sign off on a QB, you cannot take that QB second overall.

What offense did Roethlisberger, Flacco, Dalton, Bortles, Alex Smith, Carr, Newton, and Wilson (while at NC State) play in college?

(I will add Mariota to this list at the end of the season.)

oh, so YOU'RE the source!


<programmer joke>

I just find it strange that another team was willing to take that shot and pay a much steeper price for it. That same team will trot Wentz out at QB week 1. But he wasn't good enough to get a shot in Cleveland. Yet a guy who has already failed at this level and also didn't have the greatest reputation was given the keys. I think every FO this team gets just tries too damn hard to be too damned smart.

Me, personally, I don't care about draft picks. If you don't have a QB all the draft picks in the world won't matter. I don't really have an opinion on Wentz, but the fact that another team was willing to pay such a high price for him makes me think we shouldn't have passed on him.

No, no, no, the earth moved. The workout was that good. lol

We'll see how he looks in the regular season when we're gameplanning for the opponents.

Again, if the head coach (who is an "offensive guru") doesn't sign off on taking the guy, then you cannot take him. Pettine was resentful of the Manziel pick and we saw how that turned out.

According to Mike Silver (who is very good friends with Jackson), if Goff was available, we would have picked him (even with Griffin on the roster). We weren't 100% committed to Griffin until Goff was out of the picture.

I think he got it from OSQ...ya know Obscure Sports Quarterly...<Dodge ball movie>

Griffin may hold it too long, as too long behind our O line translates to roughly 2 seconds. He may not read the defense well but again behind our line he'd have to be a speed reader. When he does throw it, on the deep ball he can keep it in the field of play, Quinn, he can throw it farther than 15 yards and not make it a jump ball, Colt, he can hit the target, Weeden, he doesn't throw it through the receivers hands on the short ball, DA and he doesn't flip it, Weeden. Well not yet anyway.

He may not be all that and a box of rocks but comparatively speaking, he's got some pluses.

Well played (as one of the few on here who are likely to get it).

Hue on RG3. Will add the link when I'm not on my phone. From the presser on the official site.

I for one am very excited to see what RG3 and Hue can do against the Speedy Eagles defense. Punish them with the run and take a couple shots deep early to Pryor all to setup Barnidge down the middle.

Our interior has probably been the biggest surprise thus far. I really love the growth among Bitonio, Erving and Greco plus Greco and Paz are doing well together also. It may be different when its for real but right now, best protection we can give RG3 is a power run game with Crow and this OL.

Quit it.

I for one am tired of your agenda.
Griffin holds the ball. He did it in Washington.
I don't care about what Hue says or any other information or what happened this preseason. He holds the ball! /sarc

J/c

I'm excited to see this offense. From the lil bit of a look back to Hue's past in Cinci and even Oakland here's what I think:

o the offense is gonna be run based, run first, run focused. More ground and pound then high flying. Crow is gonna get lots of work.

o holding the backside contain will be a focus. Griffin will be part of the run game through read-option and bootlegs and there will be WR reverses etc to hold backside contain....and the purpose is to help the run game more then to gain yards

o there will be motions and shifts to get match-ups and create well defined reads

o Griffin will be protected through safe/conservative playcalling to start the season...we'll see a lot of WR/TE/RB screens

o There will be deep shots whenever they expect man to man without safety help

I don't know who the source is and I don't know if Hue ever said a thing.

However, making fun of the source does NOT change the fact that RGIII has been known to struggle reading coverages and that has led to him holding the ball too long.

It isn't new news. And it is one of the primary reasons he was benched/shut-down by two different coaching staffs AND ignored by virtually every other team in the NFL when he became available.

oh jesus calm down. the sky is always falling with you.

Hopefully our deep threats can open up the run a bit..

And then hopefully the run game is midly successful.

Allowing us to throw it deep..

NFL 2016: Hu(g)e job: Jackson takes on rebuilding Browns

By TOM WITHERS


CLEVELAND (AP) — There are rebuilding projects and then there are the Cleveland Browns, a floundering franchise currently on the wrong end of the NFL's food chain.


Fixing the Browns is a daunting task, some might argue an impossible one. But Hue Jackson, who has gotten a second head-coaching gig after a five-year wait, believes he's just the man for the job.


"I've bit off the apple," he said.



Yeah, and it's pretty rotten.


The Browns haven't been relevant in years. With just two winning seasons and one playoff appearance since 1999, they've spent more time shuffling in front offices, coaches and starting quarterbacks — they're on No. 25 in 17 seasons — than anything else and there is little reason to think the 2016 season will be any different.


Don't tell that to Jackson, who went 8-8 with Oakland in 2011 and is convinced better days are ahead for the brown and orange.


Jackson oozes optimism, even if he knows deep down that Cleveland's return to respectability won't take place without hard work, patience and some luck. He's accepted that Cleveland's new front office of analytical thinkers must gut the framework of the Browns' roster before any true development can occur.


Jackson must now balance the progress he sees in young players with results on the scoreboard.


"It's hard," said the 50-year-old Jackson, who spent the past two seasons as Cincinnati's offensive coordinator. "It's really hard and that's one thing that is new for me. There's a certain result that you are expecting and you've seen and you want to accomplish all the time. But I've learned that there's a process and I'm in the process, the beginning stages of it, but I also know myself well enough to know that we're going to win.


"When that's going to be, I don't know the answer to that, but I know we're going to win."


Cleveland's success this season will hinge on whether quarterback Robert Griffin III can revive his career with the Browns following a freefall with Washington. With Jackson's urging after he worked out the 26-year-old QB, the Browns signed RG3 to a two-year, $15 million contract — a low-risk, high-reward investment that could accelerate the Browns' reconstruction or force the team to use a high draft pick next year on a quarterback.


From his days with the Raiders, Jackson learned he can't do it alone. It takes a village to raise a team, and that no matter how hard he work, how he stays in his office pouring over a game plan or how many times he shows a rookie wide receiver how to run the proper route, things aren't going to go according to plan.


"You've got to have the wherewithal to deal with that," said Jackson, the Browns' fifth coach since 2010. "Some people can and some people can't. I understand that you're not going to win them all and you're not going to lose them all, but somewhere in the middle. But hopefully you win more than you lose."


As they embark on what's expected to another rough season, here are five more things to watch with the Browns:


DIFFERENT GRIFFIN: He showed flashes of his former speedy self in training camp, but Griffin is a far cry from the player whose scintillating skills electrified the league as a rookie in 2012. He can still throw the deep ball, but the Browns need Griffin to be accurate on those intermediate throws and pick up first downs when flushed from the pocket.


GORDON WAITS: Perhaps the most perplexing player in football, wide receiver Josh Gordon will sit out the first four games serving his latest drug suspension. The former Pro Bowler has said all the right things about staying clean to this point, and now the Browns have to trust he'll be true to his word until he's eligible.


Gordon has been suspended for 27 of Cleveland's last 32 games.


MONEYBALL: The recent release of linebacker Paul Kruger (30) and trade of three-time Pro Bowl punter Andy Lee (31) crystallized the front office's intent to make the Browns younger while acquiring assets. Cleveland is stockpiling draft picks — the team currently has two first- and second-round picks in 2017 — to revamp its roster.


YOUNG AND WRECKLESS: Rookie defensive linemen Emmanuel Ogbah and Carl Nassib will have prominent roles this season under coordinator Ray Horton, who loves to blitz and blitz some more. Nassib, who led the nation with 15 1/2 sacks last season at Penn State, had an impressive preseason.


NO FAVORS: Cleveland's schedule is brutal with five road games in the first seven weeks and no bye until Dec. 4. Making matters worse, one of those two home games is Tom Brady's return from his four-game "Deflategate" suspension and the Patriots QB just may take out some pent-up frustrations against Commissioner Roger Goodell against the Browns.

http://pro32.ap.org/article/nfl-2016...erlay-context=

I like Hue. I just hope that he isn't fired by the powers that be after 2-3 years of having a poor record.

I'm pretty sure that it took less time - and money - to rebuild Hiroshima.