DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum The Browns Front Office....still not ready for prime time..(imo)

The Gilber move was a good one and I said so in that particular thread.

Did you miss the "years and years" part?

Unfortunately, I believe the title of this thread is true.

If this front had any plans on winning now, even though Mack wanted out, they would have sweetened the pot to keep him and told Lee to man up (oooh, sorry if that offends anyone) make an effort and kept him as well.

This office is looking to 2018 and beyond.

This FO hasn't been here years and years...this thread is about the current FO so your hate is misplaced.

I don't hate this FO.

http://www.bcsn.tv/news_article/show/694562

Think this says it all for this current FO.

We have a young roster, no real impact defenders worth big contracts, and no franchise QB. You pay players what they are actually worth. Don't overpay for the sake of spending money. How many Super Bowls has Dallas' great OLine won?

You plan to spend so much on each position group and try to stick to that plan in order to be sustainable. But, you have to find players at those positions that are worth the money.

It all comes down to drafting impact players.

when we win 5 or 6 games this year. I wonder where all the hate will go? FO?, RGIII?, football gods?, stars are not aligned? this is just crazy.

We'll all be upset at the coaches for thrashing a perfectly good opportunity for a top 10 pick, lol!

Isn't this more of an indictment on previous regimes?

(The answer is yes.)

I think I'm finally being swayed to the other side. I heard Jimmy just bought 10 boxes of Thin Mints! Apparently he can find the cash to support a Girl Scout Troop but not an NFL franchise

despite what some of you may think. You cannot buy a championship.

JC...

Offensive Line Spending

real-time look at how NFL teams are spending their 2016 cap dollars on Offensive Lines.

This is a graph so I could not copy and paste.

Positional Spending for each 53-Man Roster

By: Michael Ginnitti



While NFL rosters will continue to change on an hourly basis in the coming days, we'll take a snapshot look at how the first batch of 53-man rosters breaks down financially. These figures only include members of the active 53-man roster currently, so players who have been placed on a reserve list (injured, pup, suspended, etc) are not included. Those players do factor into the Total Salary Cap for a team, shown on our team pages.

Notable Notes:

Without Tom Brady, the Patriots have just $1.57M allocated to their QBs, lowest in the league.
As you might expect, the Vikings lead the league in RB cap dollars ($15M), $13.3M more than the Redskins ($1.8M).
By waiving Jace Aamro, the Jets carry the lowest TE cap allocation in the league ($1.28M).
The Raiders are the only team to carry a combined $10M+ cap for their Kicker/Punter/Long Snapper
After rescinding Josh Norman's tag, the Panthers now hold the lowest cap allocated to defensive backs ($8.6M)

NFL 53-Man Positional Cap Breakdowns

Click to See Graph



NFL Team Salary Cap Tracker

Click here

Maybe, maybe not.

The words were, "think this says it all for the current FO".

They realize that given where they were, their focus must be on the future.

Just because they're Ivy Leaguers does not convince me that this FO has it all going on. Only winning will do that.

Indictment, not sure.

thank you Vambo. glad to see we are not overspending. funny the SB champs are under average and the Panthers are just a shade over the league average...

this FO has not even had one year yet...how in world are they to blame for anything????

Had Mack and Schwartz taken the offers we had out for them (reportedly $10 million per for Mack and $7.5 million per for Schwartz) we would have been #1 or #2 on OL spending.

Also fair enough, but this is his 3rd time of replacing everybody in 4 years... at some point he has to look at himself if he continues to hire the wrong people.

Hiring the right people in a business you have grown up with is easier than moving into a business in which you have no experience and knowing who/how to hire the right people.


We have done it the status quo of what bad teams do.. turn over every year or two. That's a trademark of poor teams.

Amen... I think you have to have realistic expectations.... 5 wins would be exciting for me

SCHWARTZ wanted to leave, NOT on front office....just like Mack who wanted big bucks, wanted his Old OC, and out of losing Cleveland....again, JMHO, not on FO.....Go Browns!!!!

Vambo was being sarcastic

We might as well blame Hue Jackson for Johnny Manziel not panning out..

What about Haslem's massive FA spending from 2013-2015? And the fact he's probably paying Banner, Lombardi, Farmer, and Pettine still? And the fact he just got done with a $15M dollar renovation of Berea....the second one since he's been the owner.

Look, I'm not a Haslem fan but the payroll deduction this year is a by product of purging just about everything and letting the new FO start over.

Would I like to have Schwartz back.....yes. However, if there is to be blame put on the Browns, I would allocate that to the FO before Haslem. I don't think Haslem would have said 'no' to that signing.

Accept for the fact that Sashi was in charge of contract negotiations.

Yes, he was in charge of contract negotiations. But he wasn't going out on his own making decisions about who to sign without getting the 'ok' from a GM of maybe even the Team President....or is that what you're saying? My understanding of the 2015 FO is that Farmer, as GM, although there were rumors or power struggles between he, Scheiner, and Pettine, would make a decision about whose agent to engage with contract negotiations. Then Sashi would come into the picture.

Who knows prior to contract negotiations what decisions were made, or not, regarding players. Do you?

I always chuckle when some poster tries to inject facts into these threads. It's kinda cute.

Vers...YEP, that would be true.

Browns Hire Sashi Brown to Handle Contracts and Negotiations

Jan 13, 2013 link

So are you now blaming Sashi or Haslem for being cheap?

Apparently Mac thinks you can.

A lot of posters are mentioning the new FO a lot, and in a way, that is true.

However, two very significant men are still in the building. Haslam and Sashi were here and are still here.

After what we saw this past off season, one has to wonder about the decisions to not retain guys like Skrine, Sheard, Ward, etc.

Also, there were reports last year that there were too many voices w/in the Brown's organization. Teams thought they might have a deal in place, only to have it nixed by other members of the Brown's organization.

I don't think Sashi was chosen because Haslam picked his name out of a hat. He had to have a fairly substantial role w/the team to earn such a high position in the latest rebuild.

If Sashi was chosen out of the blue and did not have a real say in what was going on, the Browns are in more trouble than any of us thought.

Probably so, and not a bad plan IMO. I think that is a better way for a bright future rather than win 5 -6 games a year with deadbeat vets half assing it to finish out careers.

well, I'm the cheapest fan in the NFL

Never pay a cent to attend, watch, or buy anything NFL related. I refuse to until we're actually decent

...So they should have kept together the team that got the 2nd pick last year, and looked like it was getting worse as the season went on?

Young players can get better a lot faster than old players. Good young players are much cheaper than good old players. We've got to get a core of good young players, and then we can see about picking good veterans to compliment the roster.

The FO was basically in a no win situation. They could have tried to band-aid the old roster and mortgage the future, and still not make the playoffs. Or they could do what they did and at least give a bit more hope for the future, while probably still not making the playoffs this year.

Our roster was really lousy last year. I'm down with going young and hungry. I think Saunders is a great coach for a bunch of young WRs. I like Nunn working with our young pass rushers.

There was no quick fix for our roster. Let's see how their first season goes. It will probably take a lot more than that.

Well, Ward came out on twitter and said he wasn't even approached about a contract, so my guess is Sashi was never even brought into the fold. I'm pretty sure sights were set on Whitner from the beginning and that's where Sashi was told to direct priorities...him and Dansby. And this is a larger issue about FO/coaching changes-- they've happened so often here that players on the roster become no longer relevant to the scheme or to the coach after their first contract is up. I chalk that up to being the main issue rather than the contract negotiator nose diving on negotiations, which is the correlation you're trying to make here. Or, when players aren't approached about a deal before the final year of the contract AND you change FO, it makes it exponentially tougher to get a deal done...ex. Farmer with Mack and Ward; Sashi with the four that left this offseason. I don't know how many times that has been communicated from the entire NFL world. Especially when they take over in January and FA "starts" in March (we all know it begins much earlier than that!).

And of course Haslem didn't pick Sashi out of a hat. He's been in the organization for three years, might have thought he was the smartest guy in the organization among a FO that has been in shambles (seemingly) since 2013 and wanted to keep him. He did the same thing with Farmer....signed him instead of letting him get away. Who knows if other people were looking at Sashi, he's been in the league a long time and I'm sure they all talk to themselves. It's very incestuous. The last piece is speculation on my part.

I just don't really but into the conspiracy theory that Haslem kept Sashi because his contract negotiations skills and it allows him to be cheap, which is essentially what you are driving at. Haslem kept Sashi because he thinks he can be successful and build a winning team (Yes, I believe Haslem wants to win) and Sashi's success (or lack thereof) is yet to be determined. So far, Haslem is 0-1 with with promotions within the organization.

No, that is not what I was "driving at."

I always thought the way the Browns were doing things was doomed to failure. We were always just good enough not to get rebuilding picks ( 4 - 6 wins ). Always just good enough not to get a major pick. Year after year.. just good enough to stay right where we were. Of course our young players got tired of losing.. and left. Free Agent Veterans just hung around to get paid.. 6- 10.. 4 - 12.. 5 - 12.. same cycle. We were just doing patches with Free Agents to stay right where we were.

So now we try a new approach... give it a chance and see how it goes.. It sure as Hell can't be worse in the long run.