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The Good:
--Nassib played the run better than I thought he would. He is very active. He also had some smart plays.
--Pryor's catch and his blocking.
--Wentz. I don't usually talk about the other team, but I didn't want us to draft him. He looked pretty damn good today.
--The OL did a better job of pass protection than I thought they would. They did struggle at the end, but that was when we forced to throw on every play.
--The run defense was better than I expected.
The Bad:
--RGIII's accuracy.
--Pryor jumping early. I don't think he was even looking at the ball.
--What's his name.......Taylor? #21. I heard so many good things about him, but he looked clueless.
--Hawkins looks like a wuss and I hate how he complains.
--Coleman catches w/his body. Terrible hands. He looked lost.
The Ugly:
--What kinda call and formation was that on the fake punt?
--Guys hanging their heads before the game was after.
--I really thought we would win this game, but we blew a golden opportunity. Building a culture of losing is butt-ugly.
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Vers, I need to give you props on Shelton. I felt he played really well in the 1st half, but because he was on the field for a eternity he ran out of gas.
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On the fake punt: I kinda thought they were just going for it and that was the play that was called, not necessarily trying to 'deceive' anyone.
WE DON'T NEED A QB BEFORE WE GET A LINE THAT CAN PROTECT HIM
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Hawkins is a bad WR and doesn't give us anything.
Barnidge had a very rough day. That's not a pro bowl performance]
Haden got toasted his one big time
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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the good.
Nassib has a good motor.real lunch pail kind of player
nice catch by Pryor.
Johnson showed nice YAC.
the bad. no excuse letting a rookie QB beat you with limited reps.
again the run defense was porous
Hue trying to get too cute with fake punt.this isn't the Bengals
he's coaching. it's a young team
the ugly. another opening day loss.
RG3 getting outplayed by a rookie.
the lbs missing tackles and not playing run fits correctly
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The good: One decent drive. A few defensive stops. Nassib & Ogbah. Shelton on occasion. O-line pass protection for a lot of the game, and run blocking for some of the game.
The bad: Special teams gave up at least one big return. Almost everything else.
The Ugly: Going for it on fourth down at our end of the field. Getting our asses whipped by a rookie we passed on. The secondary. The Browns as an organization. Orange pants.
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The Good
I really likes the play of Carl Nassib.
Danny Shelton got push and penetration.
Both Derrick Kinndred and Ibraheim Campbell are active and support the run fairly well.
Terrelle Pryor has really improved as a wide receiver.
Duke Johnson run after catch ability on swing passes.
The Bad
RG3 - He seems to have improved at going thru progressions and making pre and post snap reads but his accuracy was awful.
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The play of the linebackers. Very few plays made bu Davis, Kirksey, Ogbah, or Shoebert. The majority of the Eagles runs were wide and the tight ends killed the Browns on short yardage.
No pass rush without blitzing.
The play of Tramon Williams.
The Ugly
Cameron Ervings snap over RG3 head.
Fake Punt with no punter on the field.
The trick plays in general.
The dropped passes by Barnidge and Coleman.
Romans 10:9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in thy heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
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it was almost like hue was trying to be too slick and gimmicky. the shifts, lineups, and ideas were too off the wall (not to mention the execution)
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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it made us even more off kilter IMO
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Not an RG3 fan ... But he played better than the results showed .. He actually didn't play bad at all in the 1st half .. Then the wheels came off ..
He was a leader after the bad snap .. It was nice to see he matured and is now a team leader ..
Had a lot of dropped passes early ..
He did not deserve this fate today .. Way to many BIG DROPS ..
Still not a fan .. But he did not play as bad as folks are making it out to be ..
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I didnt think RG3 played poorly. The OL and drops were a big part of our downfall. We literally have the worst line in the NFL ... and the most inexperienced WRs.
And then Barnidge was AWFUL ... which makes it worse
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Never saw Gary drop one, let alone two like that
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Never saw Gary drop one, let alone two like that Well, if statistics are to be believed, what we saw today is the exception and not the rule. Hopefully he bounces back.
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"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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The Good:
Game Day Pass- it only took 30 minutes to watch that debacle on condensed version.
Nassib
working on another high draft pick
The Bad-
Haden gives up another long TD....
Thomas gives up a sack
the defense still hasn't figured out how to control a TE
the run defense -set up the play action and allowed Wentz to simplify his reads.
the pass defense- just couldn't get the breaks, even when they had good coverage, somehow, the pass was completed.
The Ugly-
rookie QB just about dropped 3 bills on the defense. The sickening thing was he went with his primary read the majority of the time- and just winged it in there.
Too soon to tell how good Wentz will be, but he at least looks like there is potential.
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I really believe that Hawkins will be the man out when Gordon returns. (for good, or for ill)
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-football-cle-phi-grades-carson-wentz-stars-nfl-debut/Cleveland Browns
Quarterback grade: Robert Griffin III, 41.7
In exchange for stockpiling resources at other positions, the Browns were committed to rolling with a re-tread at quarterback. The Hue Jackson-RGIII partnership could still flourish, but the first test proved a failure. Two long completions aside – both more to do with receivers at the catch point than RGIII’s location – the Browns struggled to move the football. Even discounting the four dropped passes and a throwaway, Cleveland’s new quarterback was accurate on just 12 of 21 attempts. He failed to notice an Eagles’ linebacker lurking underneath on a crucial red-zone turnover, with the Browns down just a field goal. Jordan Hicks diverted the flight, and Rodney McLeod sealed the takeaway with a diving grab. Cleveland, and RGIII, never recovered.
Top offensive grades:
LG Joel Bitonio – 81.1
RG John Greco – 77.0
LT Joe Thomas – 76.3
WR Terrelle Pryor – 75.5
HB Isaiah Crowell – 72.9
Veteran lineman run the show
Although not quite at his usual elite level, Joe Thomas still stoodout as one of the Browns’ top performers. He loves to get his hands dirty in the run game, earning a 78.8 grade in that facet of play. Thomas did give up a rare sack to Connor Barwin, but emerged from the rest of the game largely unscathed. Additional physicality is provided from the interior by guards John Greco and Joel Bitonio. Each also earned a grade of 78 during their run blocking assignments, generating vertical movement at the line of scrimmage. Together, they could form the backbone of an outstanding.
Top defensive grades:
Chris Kirksey – 83.2
Demario Davis – 78.9
Jordan Poyer – 76.4
Joe Haden – 75.9
Danny Shelton – 72.7
Interior should be improved
New pair of inside linebackers Demario Davis and Chris Kirksey made a strong start to their career as a tandem. They were both aggressive attacking the line of scrimmage, nullifying any potential yardage after contact. The pair finished with four stops apiece, limiting the Eagles’ run game considerably. In coverage, they allowed only four catches from six targets for 24 yards. The apparent improvement of Danny Shelton is also encouraging. He was highly disruptive in his 42 snaps, even if he wasn’t always able to finish plays. As well as the new haul of rookies, the development of draftees from previous season will also be key.
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The Ugly
Fake Punt with no punter on the field.
Many say this but the punter WAS on the field. Inexplicably he was on the left side of the line.
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So what you're saying is that punt summarized the game? A complete cluster$&@%
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The Good: the Defense looked better than expected. Tackles were made, not missed. Coverage was decent, players were in place to defend. Offensive line play was OK. Ogbah and Nassib looked surprisingly decent.
The Bad: Defense was in position to defend, but seldom to make INTs. They could not come up with the crucial turnover.
The Ugly: The ball snapped over RGIII's head. Hawkins. Barnidge drops.
After the preseason, I was pleasantly surprised. I thought the offense would do better, but the safety was clearly a turning point. The Defense played much better than I thought they would, until they wore down, but even then they played better than in preseason. I think they will improve as the season goes on. I was actually encouraged by what I saw.
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so obviously RG3 didn't grade out very well LOL wow
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I cant even watch those clips/breakdowns. It makes me more angry
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Good: We have some players who have promise on D.
Bad: RGIII's touch, drops, dbacks.
Ugly: 2 shotgun snap safeties in 5 game
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I saw Campbell and Kindred at least make a few tackles, which is nice
I saw Shelton take on double teams ... and get some penetration with single blocks, which is nice
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...I was pleasantly surprised... I think they will improve as the season goes on. I was actually encouraged by what I saw. I agree. We all recognize (or should) that this is a learning process and it is going to take time...
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the scary part for me Vers ... Our coaching staff appeared to have been out coached by a mile .. It was the first game so they get a pass but Hue looked like a first year/rookie coach not someone who had experience running the ship ..
- we did not execute well, I know we're young but we were SLOPPY .. Looked disjointed ..
- to many gimmicks, to much BS early in the game ..
.... The fake punt was a HORRIBLE design ... We only HAD 10 MEN ON THE FILED! And if your going to run from that formation with the punter on the field and your going to put him on the line out of the huddle .. SPLIT HIM OUT SIDE .. Make him bring a defender with him .. WHO THE F IS THE PUNTER GOING TO BE ABLE TO BLOCK?????
I hope this was just a case of a very young team and first game slopiness on our part ..
Hue is the only one in our mgmt. team I really have any hope in .. He's the only horse much less thoroughbred in our barn ..
Am I being to hard here? ..
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...I was pleasantly surprised... I think they will improve as the season goes on. I was actually encouraged by what I saw. I agree. We all recognize (or should) that this is a learning process and it is going to take time... I agree with U that this is a season for learning .. Unfortunately for some that reality just hit home yesterday .. I was however VERY DISSAPOINTED .. I told my brother after the game I was very DISSAPOINTED in our performance .. He asked how that was possible since my expectations were a few floors below the basement .. I didn't/don't expect much ... But I thought this was our best shot at a W .. And we got our asses kicked on both sides of the ball .... This could very well be the only W they get all year .. There not a good football team ..
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I was trying to hurry when I posted this last night during a lull between the 4:00 games and the NE/AZ game. I forgot a couple of things and I also wanna respond to a few comments that were made.
--I forgot to add T. Williams to the bad list. He is who he is and that is bad.
--Greco got destroyed on one play by Cox, but the latter is a great player. Overall, Greco played an outstanding game.
--I was pleasantly surprised w/Paztor. He struggled late, but the game was out of hand at that point. He played decently.
--Bittonio played much better than he did last year.
--The OL was not terrible. They are going to get crucified this year for some reasons that are not their fault. Think of the OL w/Frye vs DA and the OL w/Weeden vs Hoyer.
--RGIII holds it too long and gives up on his protection too early. He's gotta learn to stand in there.
--On the other hand, RGIII showed good leadership and toughness.
--Barnidge may have dropped two, but it was a huge mistake to abandon him. We gotta get him the ball. He was open so many times. He is your best friend when the rush is coming.
--I thought Ogbah flashed at the very beginning of the game, but melted into the field turf shortly thereafter. Not sure why so many people are including him w/Nassib????
--I am also not feeling the love for the safeties. Dudes are wretched in coverage.
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hue seemed to be outsmarting himself. almost like we were trying to be too slick. I think that led to some sloppiness. Too much shifting and offset formations ... and the execution was also poor
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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That could be true, but if Coleman could catch, we would have had a big play on the one where we only had 3 0-linemen tight.
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That could be true, but if Coleman could catch, we would have had a big play on the one where we only had 3 0-linemen tight. Which reminds me, I thought we could have exploited that zone read/slant option MUCH more. That was a play they couldn't stop.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Good
Nassib. Kindred showed off some physical attributes.
TP blocking was nice to see.
Bad
RGIII accuracy on smaller WRs
Coleman
Ugly
The defense as a group unit, about all there is to say
RGIIIs ability to stay healthy
All the drops. Gary of all people
Hues fake punt, wtf was that? Stupid
All in all, the feeling whether you want to even watch the next game is already knocking on the door. This is a very raw and horrible football team.
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I agree. We all recognize (or should) that this is a learning process and it is going to take time...
I agree with U that this is a season for learning .. I've been thinking about this.......even before yesterday's game. A lot of people have bought into the new plan completely. I do see a couple of flaws. 1. We have 13 rookies and several 2nd year players. What happens when their contracts all come up in back-to-back year? We will more than likely lose some of the better guys in free agency and the excuse makers will say it wasn't the fault of the front office because the guys wanted to leave. Well, I think it is a problem to not a variety of experience on your roster and to have some flexibility in handling contracts. 2. This one addresses the point you two made. We all expect the Browns to lose this year. Most expect the Browns to lose next year. What are we building? An atmosphere and culture of losing? Not sure if you guys played sports, but continued losing is not a recipe for success. I have a serious question for you guys. How many players do we have on our roster that have won playoff games? I don't think it is too many. How do you build a winning culture w/guys who have only experienced losing? I don't want to get into a big argument about this [Grimm and crew,] rather I just want some of you to at least take the time to contemplate the question.
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The UGLY...we had him but being the Browns, management had a better idea.
How valuable is a "franchise QB"?
Pick the right guy and you set your team up for the next 10yrs. How valuable is that?...is it worth a first round pick?...is it worth two first round picks?
How valuable is a franchise QB...for the Browns, a franchise QB is priceless.
I have a suggestion for Jimmy Haslam...the search team that helped Haslam find a HC...hire them to draft the Browns a franchise QB next year because it is obvious that the group in charge of judging talent is not fit to judge QB talent.
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This could very well be the only W they get all year .. But at this point, it is not all about the W/L column. Rather it is learning, accumulating experience and development. Competency and consistency. The odd win here and there makes no difference (except in draft position) as we are not playoff bound this season...
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How do you build a winning culture w/guys who have only experienced losing? That is a valid point. I am expecting that the last half or third of this season, we will be showing improved play and that we may win 2 or 3 games late in the year. For young guys, even a couple of wins will show that they can do it and that the rising sun is on the horizon. A new guy is added to the squad - Mo Mentum.
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I cant even watch those clips/breakdowns. It makes me more angry Yep. And after a few games, I can't read the articles either. It's just the same thing year after year - losing.
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I cant even watch those clips/breakdowns. It makes me more angry Yep. And after a few games, I can't read the articles either. It's just the same thing year after years -losing. Yep. Sums it up. I watched more of yesterday's game than I normally would've, but that was because it was the opener. When they start getting routed, it's easy for me to turn on another game, or like I did yesterday... went to Advanced Auto and bought all new filters and changed them out. Browns Sundays are not worth keeping fully engaged. This year, they look worse too.
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nothing aggravates me more than when I read an article that says "There were some good things ..." after a loss. It's just garbage. Same stuff for 17 years.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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