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Nah, you're fine Haus. I'm happy for the owners of that place. They will have a story to tell and it will help their business.


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Pharmaceutical executives who recently made a major donation to an anti-marijuana legalization campaign claimed they were doing so out of concern for the safety of children — but their investor filings reveal that pot poses a direct threat to their plans to cash in on a synthetic cannabis product they have developed.

On August 31, Insys Therapeutics Inc. donated $500,000 to Arizonans for Responsible Drug Policy, becoming the single largest donor to the group leading the charge to defeat a ballot measure in Arizona to legalize marijuana.

The drug company, which currently markets a fast-acting version of the deadly painkiller fentanyl, assured local news reporters that they had the public interest in mind when making the hefty donation. A spokesperson told the Arizona Republic that Insys opposes the legalization measure, Prop. 205, “because it fails to protect the safety of Arizona’s citizens, and particularly its children.”

A Washington Post story on Friday noted the potential self-interest involved in Insys’s donation.

Investor filings examined by The Intercept confirm the obvious.

Insys is currently developing a product called the Dronabinol Oral Solution, a drug that uses a synthetic version of tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) to alleviate chemotherapy-caused nausea and vomiting. In an early filing related to the dronabinol drug, assessing market concerns and competition, Insys filed a disclosure statement with the Securities and Exchange Commission stating plainly that legal marijuana is a direct threat to their product line:

Legalization of marijuana or non-synthetic cannabinoids in the United States could significantly limit the commercial success of any dronabinol product candidate. … If marijuana or non-synthetic cannabinoids were legalized in the United States, the market for dronabinol product sales would likely be significantly reduced and our ability to generate revenue and our business prospects would be materially adversely affected.

Insys explains in the filing that dronabinol is “one of a limited number of FDA-approved synthetic cannabinoids in the United States” and “therefore in the United States, dronabinol products do not have to compete with natural cannabis or non-synthetic cannabinoids.”

The company concedes that scientific literature has argued the benefits of marijuana over synthetic dronabinol, and that support for marijuana legalization is growing. In the company’s latest 10-K filing with the SEC, in a section outlining competitive threats, Insys warns that several states “have already enacted laws legalizing medicinal and recreational marijuana.”

Subsys, the fentanyl spray Insys makes, is used as a fast-acting pain reliever. Fentanyl is an opioid that has made headlines in recent years as the number of Americans overdosing on the drug has skyrocketed. Fenatyl is 50 times stronger than heroin and has been linked to the death of Prince earlier this year. Last month, two Insys executives pled guilty to a pay-for-play scheme to use speakers fees as a way to get doctors to prescribe Subsys.

Marijuana advocates claim that legalized pot has a variety of medical uses, including pain relief.

It’s not the first time pharmaceutical companies have helped bankroll the opposition to marijuana reform. The Community Anti-Drug Coalition of America, a nonprofit that organizes anti-marijuana activism across the country, has long received corporate sponsorship from Purdue Pharma, the makers of Oxycontin, and Janssen Pharmaceuticals, another opioid manufacturer.

J.P. Holyoak, chairman of the Campaign to Regulate Marijuana Like Alcohol, a group supporting the legalization ballot measure, released a statement condemning the Insys donation. “Our opponents have made a conscious decision to associate with this company,” Holyoak said. “They are now funding their campaign with profits from the sale of opioids — and maybe even the improper sale of opioids.”


If ANY of these candidates stood up to Pharma companies, they'd have my vote as a lock.

https://theintercept.com/2016/09/12/pharma-opioid-marijuana/

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I noticed a ton of things.

A presidential nominee walking into a restaurant and being greeted with cheers?

I'm shocked. Simply shocked. That has never happened in the history of presidential elections.

Hillary has already been there, done that.


Difference is they had to bus in and pay for Hillary's cheers.


Did she hire the same people trump used when he announced his run for president?


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Marijuana is illegal because Pharma companies would lose money. Can't let future addicts have a safer alternative to our drugs that we want you to buy!

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A lot of things are illegal.

It's cleverly disguised as people wanting to take care of us, but the reality is that it's illegal because people either do like you are saying, which is keeping it illegal so their own products are being sold, or it's because they actually profit from it being illegal.

The price of drugs skyrocketed during the war on drugs. So many people's pockets got fat.

That's one of the many reasons I liked Obama. You can't just full fledged make it legal, there's steps.

But telling the Feds to back off in the states wanting legalization and such help start this movement, as well as the people on the ground pushing for these things like petitions and such.

And that's why I'm voting for Hillary(amongst other reasons). I don't know if she will continue the movement, but she isn't gonna undo the progress that has been done.

I feel like trump will.

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I guess I just don't understand the corruption angle. Hillary is bought off, but you want to elect the guy WHO BOUGHT POLITICIANS OFF. The corruption entity itself is okay...? Is it because he makes you feel good to vent?


The diff is between a guy who knows the system from both sides and wants to fix it vs a gal who is the system.

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Yup, it's his right to not release his taxes.. I also know that every candidate for President for the last 40 or so years has done so. Nothing on this planet makes Trump special. So what's he hiding?


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The guy is part of the elite that helped CREATE the system.


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The guy is part of the elite that helped CREATE the system.



Exactly and he has stated many times that this system is just plain wrong, he wants to fix it. But of course you have not been listening.

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Please.

Seemed like the system was perfectly fine up until recently when he needed Russian money since the banks here in America wasn't loaning him any more money.

He has to loan foreign now.

As a matter of fact, seemed like the system was perfectly fine until the banks realized that they actually OWN trump now.

Damn.....wow......

Your boy is actually bought by Wall Street because he owes them money.

Lololololololol.

I love talking to you 40. You make your boy look so much worse than he already is. Thanks man.


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When he is your President perhaps you will see more clearly.

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Wallstreet owns Hiliary. They paid her 48.5 million dollars in campaign donations. Hilary is a puppet for big business.


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They must really hate me.
The only thing in my medicine cabinet is ibuprofen, which probably needs to be replaced due to expiration date.

I was given oxy twice after some oral surgery. Both times, I took one, then flushed the rest down the toilet (not trying to become a 'street-corner salesman' wink ). Advil worked just as well for me, and I was off them in about 2-3 days.

I have a few aches and pains all the time, but geez- I'm not so much of a wimp that I have to pop a bunch of pills for something like an achy knee or stiff neck.

This new heroin/opiate epidemic is on Big Pharma and MD's who are handing out opiates like candy. I understand why some people need them for pain management, but I wonder how many could get by with something less addictive.


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He won't be. I don't need him blinding me like he's done to you.


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This new heroin/opiate epidemic is on Big Pharma and MD's who are handing out opiates like candy. I understand why some people need them for pain management, but I wonder how many could get by with something less addictive.



So I guess if people start walking across the highway at night with their hands over their eyes that will be on the car companies.

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This new heroin/opiate epidemic is on Big Pharma and MD's who are handing out opiates like candy. I understand why some people need them for pain management, but I wonder how many could get by with something less addictive.



So I guess if people start walking across the highway at night with their hands over their eyes that will be on the car companies.


That's how you think addiction works?


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So I guess if people start walking across the highway at night with their hands over their eyes that will be on the car companies.


This reads like English... but I don't understand it.

At all.


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So anyway,

There's a 18 wheeler pursuit happening right now in Cali. Somebody stole a big rig and he's driving through the streets

It's awesome. I'm watching it right now.

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This new heroin/opiate epidemic is on Big Pharma and MD's who are handing out opiates like candy. I understand why some people need them for pain management, but I wonder how many could get by with something less addictive.



So I guess if people start walking across the highway at night with their hands over their eyes that will be on the car companies.


That's how you think addiction works?


I know how addiction works, you put something in your body that doesn't belong and your body adjusts to it and can't do without it. Sooner or later you pay the price. No?

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So I guess if people start walking across the highway at night with their hands over their eyes that will be on the car companies.


This reads like English... but I don't understand it.

At all.


It has to do with being responsible for oneself, foreign thinking at best.

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So when the doctors tells you to take this medication, do you ignore him?


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So when the doctors tells you to take this medication, do you ignore him?


When a Nobel winning scientist tell you to walk across the highway at night with your hands over your eyes do you listen to him?

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Man what? Lmfao

Haus, get your boy.


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Man what? Lmfao

Haus, get your boy.


I am not Haus's boy but Haus is My Man!

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edit: too much rambling that really doesn't have to do with the elections

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I think the issue comes from *some* around the country who give overly simplistic answers to complex problems.

While social issues certainly isn't rocket science, we all don't think the same, no matter ideology or religion or whatever.

So the goal is to come to a general consensus on the issue, and develop a plan of attack.

However, we run into problems when people can't acknowledge certain truths.

Everybody should have questions,,but the reality is that people listen to their doctors when told to take medications.

40 knows damn well he's done so as well. So for him to act overly simplistic on the issue is annoying.

But anyway, what are the truths?

For major accidents, pain meds tend to be hardcore since that's one of the only *legal* ways to reduce pain, at least temporary.

Big pharma doesn't want weed legal because their business will take a hit.

Why will it take a hit? Because millions around the world use weed as pain management.

What does big pharma supply? Pain meds, amongst other things.

I saw your post before you edited it. I think it does play into the election, as one wants to continue trying to reel in big pharma, and the others wants to privatize it again.

It's a major problem, and with the current herion/opiate problem growing in our country, it should be a major topic of discussion between Clinton and trump.


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I think the issue comes from *some* around the country who give overly simplistic answers to complex problems.



I think "some" around the country like to make an easy catch look hard.

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Doubtful, seeing as some don't even know what the catch looks like.

Like yourself, for example.


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I think the issue comes from *some* around the country who give overly simplistic answers to complex problems.

While social issues certainly isn't rocket science, we all don't think the same, no matter ideology or religion or whatever.

So the goal is to come to a general consensus on the issue, and develop a plan of attack.

However, we run into problems when people can't acknowledge certain truths.

Everybody should have questions,,but the reality is that people listen to their doctors when told to take medications.

40 knows damn well he's done so as well. So for him to act overly simplistic on the issue is annoying.

But anyway, what are the truths?

For major accidents, pain meds tend to be hardcore since that's one of the only *legal* ways to reduce pain, at least temporary.

Big pharma doesn't want weed legal because their business will take a hit.

Why will it take a hit? Because millions around the world use weed as pain management.

What does big pharma supply? Pain meds, amongst other things.

I saw your post before you edited it. I think it does play into the election, as one wants to continue trying to reel in big pharma, and the others wants to privatize it again.

It's a major problem, and with the current herion/opiate problem growing in our country, it should be a major topic of discussion between Clinton and trump.


It is a complicated problem for sure. I've rambled on here quite a bit about addiction and that includes all forms of addiction, from drugs to video games, social media, junk food, etc. There are many commonalities. The more we understand the brain and the primitive human reward system, the more this becomes clear.

The issue is far more complicated than doctors over prescribing pain meds. Do I think that's a factor? Yes. Do I think that big pharma has way too much influence in these things? Yes. Do I think that eating well, exercising regularly, getting frequent sunlight and fresh air, working and regularly socializing, etc. goes a long way toward people being healthy, making good decisions, staying out of the hospital, etc. Yes!

Then again, those are just words. How do you actually get people off their ipads and get up to the gym? How do you actually get people to cook their own healthy meals instead of stopping at a fast food joint? How do you actually convince people this is connected to the topic and not just some obscure nonsense (for the record, the post that I edited was just a more elaborate version of this)...

Again, complicated problem. I have a LOT more to add but unfortunately not a whole lot more time. It actually transcends politics for me. I don't think either party has given this nearly the attention it deserves.

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I would answer this but.....I'm not trying to be labeled a hippy socialist.

I actually have a lot to add in response to that. Maybe we can talk on PM.


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I would answer this but.....I'm not trying to be labeled a hippy socialist.

I actually have a lot to add in response to that. Maybe we can talk on PM.

Of course.

I have a few things going on tonight though. I should be able to respond later tonight or maybe tomorrow.

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Is the Trump foundation being investigated by the attorney general?

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depends, did he pay another one off like he did in Florida?


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Don't flush unused med's down the toilet.

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Is the Trump foundation being investigated by the attorney general?


Yes, it is.

My, at this time, limited understanding is Trump donated $25,000 to someone in Florida under what some would call a "shady" situation.

The Fl. Attorney General (I think) fined him $2500, which he paid.

Now, the New York AG is investigating.

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Yup, it's his right to not release his taxes.. I also know that every candidate for President for the last 40 or so years has done so. Nothing on this planet makes Trump special. So what's he hiding?


What's he hiding? 1 or more of 4 things.

1. Nothing. (I'd give that about a 10% chance0
2. He cheated on taxes. Illegally. (and I add the "illegally" part, because even if he didn't pay much in tax, it's very possible it was all legal anyway). I'd give that perhaps a 5% chance. He's got a team of lawyers and accountants that I'm sure cross every T and dot every i.
3. He's embarrassed to show how little he made, relative to his claims of being super wealthy. (and again, "wealth" is not how much you make in any particular year, remember that). I'd give that maybe a 30% chance.
4. He donated little to nothing to charity/charities. I'd give that about a 30% chance also. It would be embarrassing to earn, say, $10 million, and only have donated say, $100,000 or less.

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Don't flush unused med's down the toilet.


Yeah. I take mine back to my doctor to be disposed of. In the past I have also wrapped them up in "wet" garbage, and put them in the trash.


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You're absolutely right.
I've already done it for the last time.


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Is the Trump foundation being investigated by the attorney general?


Yes they just announced it yesterday.


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A little off topic, or maybe not.

Have you ever been audited by the IRS? I have, and they send you a letter. It was a long time ago (in the 90's)so I don't remember if I got it via certified mail or regular mail.

But I bring this up for a reason, first and foremost, let me say this, I don't think Trump is required to show his tax returns. But his excuse of not wanting to do it because he's being audited doesn't ring true. He can if he wants, show the world his tax returns.

Second, Is he really being audited? If he is, he can show the letter he received from the IRS showing he's being audited.

Chances are, he is being audited. Guys like him often are according to Bill Gates and Warren Buffet. Seems the more you make, the more the IRS want's to look under the hood (so to speak)

Not that it matters really, but if he would show his letter from the IRS demanding an Audit, it would at least demonstrate he is truly being audited.

Myself, I think something is up with his taxes that he doesn't want the world to see. For instance, he claims that he's given millions away to charity. His tax returns would show that. And maybe he didn't so it would demonstrate that he's a liar. (that's funny because if you just listen you can tell that he is, and before trump supporters attack me, yes, I think the same of Clinton).

I think it's time we hold our candidates to a higher standard. Feet to the fire so to speak.

Not sure how to accomplish that, but there has got to be a way.


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