DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum The Browns Front Office....still not ready for prime time..(imo)

You did not answer the questions.

Oh, and Purple Drank is not exactly a semi-legal drug.

not really interested in the Dak convo...But I would def. be keeping Gordon. I wouldn't trade Gordon for 2 1st overall picks. talent like his is rare. that's all I'm trying to say. Dak numbers really not impressive at all to me in his game 1.

To each their own.

if I am playing "who I would have drafted" game. I would have like to see Carr drafted here.

What would it benefit the Browns to just dump Gordon for nothing?

How would it benefit the Browns from drafting Kessler over Dak?

Btw----------------do you guys even follow the conversation or just jump in randomly? LMAO

This conversation began w/someone saying we could not take Dak because he had a possible DUI.

This is why Vers hates Gordon he was draft by the FO after Mangini was fired.( Mike Holmgren and general manager Tom Heckert )

Still playing childish games, I see.

The Browns likely took Prescot off their board because of the DUI. They just survived the Manziel debacle, and wanted no part of bringing in another potentially similar situation. They did not want to addsuch a situation to the team.

Gordon was already on the team, and the team already had an investment in him, They already owed him future, guaranteed money, and it would not benefit the team at all to dump him for nothing.

That is how I see the 2 situations. You asked the questions, and I tried to answer. I thought that I was clear, but evidently not. Hopefully my answers have been clear this time.

LOL...okay.

And I still think that the reason they drafted Kessler over Dak and other qbs was because they [mainly Hue] had him rated higher.

there is a clear difference between judging talent and
developing talent
it's apparent Hue missed the boat with Kessler and Prescott.
Precott's resume at Ole Miss completely destoyed Kesslers at USC.
there's nothing that Kessler can do better Prescott.
Prescott reminds me of Big Ben in some ways.
if Hue wants to impress me let's see what he does with Kessler who is limited in his skill set.
Hue inherited QB in the pat who were already trending upward.
Kessler is his 1st project

Dak Prescott

week 1...25/ 45 att, 55.6% comp, 227 yds. 1 pass over 20 yds. rating 66.4

why are we drooling over this guy? really? and that is with team 1 reps...smdh...Cody could match those numbers and he spent his time with the 3's


http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?a...e&Submit=Go
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I felt a need to repost Dak's numbers from last week....really not that impressive.

It's just too early to tell. I think - despite the stats being pointed out above - Dak has looked promising. But it's 1 game of 1 season..... proof is in the long haul.

Based on one game of one season - the people that messed up the most would be the Rams taking Goff with the first round pick. If you want to argue the relative worth of a draft pick based on week 1 - the Rams should have taken Wentz or Dak. . . . Which might end up being the case. But the sample size is way to small.

this is what was said about Dak Prescott in the preseason
on this board
" it's preseason let's wait till the real games start in
the regular season....hes playing vs vanilla coverages now"
last time I checked the Giants defense has a secondary with guys with credible resumes. it wasn't a bunch of
cast offs or rookie free agents.
what's was Kesslers Stat line from last week?
a total of 56 yards walking with a clipboard in hand?

so your saying the guy with a 66 QB rating and one throw for 20 yards is the guy????? good grief

you mean the Giants who are dead last at 32 against the pass? against a rook with a sub par performance?... sorry I don't buy it.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?t...mp;d-447263-n=1

I'm not sure last year's stats are the best argument. The Giants went all out on fixing their D. Just saying.

I am using last weeks stats. oops lol I guess it auto'd to 2015 so last weeks they were ranked 20th...still nothing that says they're top ten pass defense.


http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?a...e&Submit=Go

so a sub par performance against the 20th ranked pass defense last week...still Dak does not look any better to me at all.

Fixed that for ya.

You actually re-posted one of the most absurd posts in recent memory?

what's absurb is the out of now where obsession about Dak

What?

Actually the selection of Dak at the Kessler spot would have raised no eyebrows and would have been viewed as a good selection. Kessler went way higher than projected, and does not have the physical tools of Prescott.

What I am referring to is once the draft was over. Not one word about Dak until RGIII gets hurt and now Josh...but now seemingly out now where Dak is the main topic. I just don't understand it is all. and if I am dreaming and wishing Dak would not be the dream or wish. Thus far that dream is looking like Wentz.

One more time...............on this very board BEFORE the draft, many posters talked about drafting Dak and I only remember one guy mentioning Kessler and that notion was quickly dismissed.

Cody Kessler can help answer the question of how much trust Hue Jackson deserves -- Bud Shaw's Sports Spin

http://www.cleveland.com/budshaw/index.s...er_index_topics

CLEVELAND, Ohio – The Browns have shortened their starting quarterback rotation to Cody Kessler and a quarterback to be named.

It's their version of the old baseball battlecry, "Spahn and Sain and pray for rain" and an unfortunate take on what the Indians might be facing at Progressive Field in the postseason.

Hue Jackson didn't sound all that confident in discussing Kessler's probable start Sunday in Miami. The head coach also didn't sound particularly stressed.

"Still hasn't rocked my world yet," Jackson told reporters Monday after answering a similar question the same way a week ago when the Browns placed Robert Griffin III on injured reserve. "I'm still sitting here. This is pro football....I've been toughened before...if this was Week 14 and this was going on...but it's early."

Jackson knows, or hopes, he'll be judged on how much a team turned upside down improves over a 16-game season. So, in that sense, having early debilitating issues beat having late-season debilitating issues.

That's only fair. The organization and the head coach are in this quarterback mess together.

Is he the perceived QB expert? Sure. But if they signed off on his plan to sign Robert Griffin III and draft Kessler, they own it, too.

You didn't need a QB whisperer's feel for the position to know the risks of counting on two quarterbacks with injury histories to stay healthy behind an inexperienced Cam Erving and a new right tackle.

Browns quarterback roulette claims another victim

That those risks have come to roost so early isn't a crime that gets easily pinned on Jackson. What happens next, of course, is more of his doing.

He brought that focus on himself by drafting Kessler over other available quarterbacks, then doubling down and telling everyone, "Trust me."

It speaks well for him that he didn't try to back away from those words Monday (I know, how could he?).

"Here we go," Jackson said. "'Trust me.' Here we come. We'll see what that statement was all about."

There is an upside to playing Kessler, unless you thought McCown could lead a revival. It's the unexpected chance to see why Jackson wanted him in the first place.

Could over exposure harm Kessler's development? Sure. But the bigger harm is if at season's end the organization is doubting Jackson's expertise at identifying and evaluating quarterbacks based on the signing of RG3 and the drafting of the USC quarterback.

The Browns should've signed a veteran quarterback after RG3s injury. Now they are forced to sign one.

The fact Jackson didn't slam-dunk guarantee Kessler would start is based on that frantic search for a veteran now.

Jackson took some solace in the season's infancy, which could mean he expects Josh McCown might return before too long.

But even if McCown returns to wage more Monty Python sword fights, the bigger question will be whether this organization and this head coach have a credible plan at quarterback and whether they can be trusted to fix the position once and for all.

More of McCown won't tell us that. Seeing if Kessler was worth the draft pick and Jackson's "trust me" will.

It's not even week 3 yet and the media's already causing crap.

Well i know one thing.. I've already seen enough of Wentz to know we passed on the best prospect since we took Winslow over Ben. He tore us up last week and is throwing strikes tonight against heavy pressure. He's got "it" and we got Sh--.

Wentz has got hit quite a few times tonight and took some good shots
and he still is hanging in there and rifling the ball downfield
kid has poise. looks the Brownies missed another soluton to a 17 yr old
problem

Are the Bears a real NFL defense ?
just asking cause some were questioning if the Browns were a NFL dedense
last week.

I'd say they are pretty similar to us. We might have more talent, but they have actual NFL experience. Both are bad.

is there really anymore great defenses left in the NFL?
the Ravens defense looked very average
the Era of dominant defenses is way gone

Who won the Super Bowl last year and how did they do it?

I was in the Wentz camp. With LA likely to pick Goff, Wentz was ours for the taking and I liked it. But I also get why we chose to trade the pick, we got a lot for it and there was no guarantee that Wentz would stud out. It was a calculated gamble.

What, exactly, is accomplished by complaining about the fact we didn't draft Wentz, to wallow in misery? What's done is done. Let's move on.

If he is good, then it is a major strike against our team. That is worth discussing.

Agree 100%

The FO screwed the pooch on this one!

Wentz is the real deal and SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN CLEVELAND!

But the reality is, how good Wentz becomes has to be measured against what we end up with from all the picks we got, which we won't know for years. If we land a franchise QB in addition to a feature WR and another good player, it's a win.