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I can't believe the number of players the Browns have on IR..Bitonio makes 12.
I just did some quick checking of other teams...SD has 17 on IR and the Rats have 15 on IR.
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I can't believe the number of players the Browns have on IR..Bitonio makes 12.
I just did some quick checking of other teams...SD has 17 on IR and the Rats have 15 on IR. Question....has the game become that fast and that powerful that we are seeing these many injuries? I honestly do not remember people being hurt this often but, when I was a kid I didn't follow it as thoroughly as I do now and, I understand the culture back then was to play through it. But, somebody help....as the speed of the game has increased has that created the many injuries we now see (in both practice and games)?
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You guys remember little league? When someone screwed up real bad or didn't want to play anymore, they somehow got "hurt"?
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This is why a franchise QB is so important. They raise the level of play of the entire team. It's much easier to sustain success in the face of injuries.
The Browns have instead chosen to build a team that you can insert any QB into and be successful.
It makes little to no sense. Not if they've been paying attention to the NFL for the last 25 years.
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I think he's a good coach and leader, but he's never dealt with a cesspool like the Cleveland Browns. It was his ego that let him choose the Browns. It was his ego that told him he could save rg3... which lead to the passing on Carson Wentz.
These injuries further drive home how important a franchise QB is.
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The NFL's equipment is not keeping pace..helmets and shoulder pads..all the pads, need to be upgraded to better protect the players.
You can only put so much padding inside a helmet before you run out of space. The NFL already knows what will work to improve the helmets..they refuse to go back to what worked in the past.
The shoulder pads need to be redesigned with a somewhat rigid cage that does not collapse when a defensive player lands on top of a shoulder, driving the opposite shoulder into the ground. The rate of shoulder and collarbone injuries might be decreased if the shoulder pads supported the energy produced when a QB (for example) is tackled and driven into the turf/ground.
The NFL has done a terrible job of upgrading the equipment used by their players and they must bear the responsibility the equipment used.
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The NFL's equipment is not keeping pace..helmets and shoulder pads..all the pads, need to be upgraded to better protect the players.
You can only put so much padding inside a helmet before you run out of space. The NFL already knows what will work to improve the helmets..they refuse to go back to what worked in the past.
The shoulder pads need to be redesigned with a somewhat rigid cage that does not collapse when a defensive player lands on top of a shoulder, driving the opposite shoulder into the ground. The rate of shoulder and collarbone injuries might be decreased if the shoulder pads supported the energy produced when a QB (for example) is tackled and driven into the turf/ground.
The NFL has done a terrible job of upgrading the equipment used by their players and they must bear the responsibility the equipment used.
Equipment upgrades would be nice, but until they institute a weight limit there is only so much that can be done. If the NFL really wants to limit injury, then a weight limit is the way to go. If you hit 300 you're out. 299 you're good. After five years knock that down to 280.
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That's discrimination and the big fatties really aren't the guys who inflict the most injuries.
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cupcake training camps is part of the issue in my opinion. They don't want to practice to hard and that leaves them more fragile in higher paced games. Obviously just my opinion but I think the increase in injuries correlates with the NFL/NFLPA agreements.
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That's discrimination and the big fatties really aren't the guys who inflict the most injuries. I agree with you that it's not the size of the players that's the main problems. I think that it's more the speed of the game than the size of players. I also think that today's players' bodies are wound so tightly that there are bound to be injuries. Also, players today want to make "Sportscenter" plays, so they sometimes try to destroy players as opposed to just making the tackle. I think that a lot of guys are also less disciplines as far as tackling, and they get out of position, and are forced to reach for tackles, instead of squaring up and making fundamentally sound tackles. There are a lot of factors in the injury equation.
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One player who wasn't listed as questionable is starting left tackle Joe Thomas, but that's probably only because the Browns didn't run the final injury report by Thomas. If they had, they would've known that Thomas has a serious ailment: He's losing his hair. Thomas' hair injury is so serious that he let his Twitter followers know that he was going to add himself to the Browns injury report. View image on Twitter View image on Twitter Follow Joe Thomas ✔ @joethomas73 BREAKING NEWS: Joe Thomas questionable with a receding hairline. 4:54 AM - 14 Oct 2016 4,954 4,954 Retweets 8,674 8,674 likes http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/browns...an-odd-ailment/
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Lets see ...
We have a 6'1 245 lb RB that is PURE MUSCLE and runs a 4.45 forty ... Going full speed running into a 6'0 225 lb safety who runs a SLOW 4.7 after each has a 7 yard run to build up a decent head of steam ...
Nd that's just one COLLISION combo ...
These guys are to BIG, STROND and FAST .... Some of these defenders at the point of contact look like there being shot out of a canon ... People with those physical attributes were not meant to COLLIDE with each other ...
And I believe IT WAS Y-TOWN THAT SAID IT .. Oooops on the caps .. There wound so tight .. They have Ike 4% body fat .. There like rubber bands stretched to the breaking point ..
And it's been this bad for the last 3 years ... At least .. Crap I think on Mon. Night NONE of the TB DLman that start played .. And they play a 4-3 ... ONE at MOST played ...
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I've had several theories on why there are more injuries in this era. I think it is a combination of things. I've been wanting to start a thread about it. It could be interesting. Anyone think that is a good idea?
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The NFL's equipment is not keeping pace..helmets and shoulder pads..all the pads, need to be upgraded to better protect the players.
You can only put so much padding inside a helmet before you run out of space. The NFL already knows what will work to improve the helmets..they refuse to go back to what worked in the past.
The shoulder pads need to be redesigned with a somewhat rigid cage that does not collapse when a defensive player lands on top of a shoulder, driving the opposite shoulder into the ground. The rate of shoulder and collarbone injuries might be decreased if the shoulder pads supported the energy produced when a QB (for example) is tackled and driven into the turf/ground.
The NFL has done a terrible job of upgrading the equipment used by their players and they must bear the responsibility the equipment used.
Equipment upgrades would be nice, but until they institute a weight limit there is only so much that can be done. If the NFL really wants to limit injury, then a weight limit is the way to go. If you hit 300 you're out. 299 you're good. After five years knock that down to 280. Joe Thomas is listed at 6'6", 312 LB's
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I've had several theories on why there are more injuries in this era. I think it is a combination of things. I've been wanting to start a thread about it. It could be interesting. Anyone think that is a good idea? please do
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If the memory of Thursday night against the Ravens is still fresh in your mind, rest assured that the Browns’ offensive line has been better than that most of the season, despite being stressed significantly by the QBs it has been protecting. Cody Kessler has shown promise as a rookie, but holds the ball too long much of the time, and is the league’s most-pressured QB largely because of his own failings, and not those of the line. That being said, this is where the grades begin to fall off and O-lines look seriously flawed. C Cameron Erving has been a major disappointment as a center, struggling to run block or pass protect, while even LT Joe Thomas has shown signs of being mortal.
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Anybody able to critique Erving run blocking ability? IMO, he is a horrid pass blocker, but is he at least an asset for the run game?
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I pretty much agree w/that assessment.
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we've seen our share of BAD OL play since 99 ... it's a long list of players.
Cam Erving is near the top of that list
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I doubt we can view Cam as a part of the future. Maybe as a depth player at best.
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I doubt we can view Cam as a part of the future. Maybe as a depth player at best. agreed. due to dead money, he'll probably be back next year ... but probably as a back up
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And as a backup, I don't have a real problem. He has some versitility making him ok to keep another season before cutting him loose. It doesn't make much sense to eat a chunk of money to sign someone else who isn't much better.
We really need one of Drango or Colemen to turn in to a good, solid player. We need to start building rather than simply shuffling bricks around.
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And as a backup, I don't have a real problem. He has some versitility making him ok to keep another season before cutting him loose. It doesn't make much sense to eat a chunk of money to sign someone else who isn't much better.
If the goal is to build a winning team, most teams win with the best players...after all, it's not like the Browns are up against the cap.
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We really need one of Drango or Colemen to turn in to a good, solid player. We need to start building rather than simply shuffling bricks around.
I'm sure the FO was HOPING that either one of them would show the ability to be a long term answer. I don't know much about Coleman, but based on early returns, Drango doesn't look the part.
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Well as Shelton is proving to be a worthy pick. Erving seems to not be living up to his Status of the 2015 draft. Just remember these guys had nothing to do with that pick. He's a first rounder and they got to give him a shot.
The only thing I have seen him do well is PULL when he does and actually hits somebody they go down. But he plays on his Heels way to much and has slow feet. Can he grow into a Center??? I don't know he might get one more season (shot) but that would be it...if he doesn't stud out in 2017 I'm sure our FO and coaches will not invest more time in him. Note he's still better than Matthews and some other favorites.
The guy that probably will get Erving released is Austin Reiter...wish I had more games to view but I was impressed. But if Reiter beats Erving out in camp...Erving is history.
I didnt like Erving before the draft L'el Collins was the guy I wanted for OL in that draft. I know several on the board was stating Erving and I was against it. Like always as soon as they become a Brown I'm backing them and want them to have all the opportunities to show their prowess.
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Drango doesn't look the part? Based on what? I think him moving around the line, he has played well. He still gives up some plays but they all do. I think another year and him and Coleman will develop, lets hope. No, I like Drango.
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The guy that probably will get Erving released is Austin Reiter...wish I had more games to view but I was impressed. But if Reiter beats Erving out in camp...Erving is history.
Should the Browns simply pencil Reiter in and consider the position filled? I would draft a center who had the skill set to play OG also.
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Drango doesn't look the part? Based on what? I think him moving around the line, he has played well. He still gives up some plays but they all do. I think another year and him and Coleman will develop, lets hope. No, I like Drango. did you see the cement clips of him? Just based on that
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He has also moved around and is a rookie. What don't you get about that?
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He has also moved around and is a rookie. What don't you get about that? no I get that. I also get the early grades on him. He's rated at 66 (cannot post link because it's paid site) and dragged our OL numbers way down sine week 8. Thomas ratings even went down with Durango at LG
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j/c: 9. Cleveland Browns (74.4)
If the memory of Thursday night against the Ravens is still fresh in your mind, rest assured that the Browns’ offensive line has been better than that most of the season, despite being stressed significantly by the QBs it has been protecting. Cody Kessler has shown promise as a rookie, but holds the ball too long much of the time, and is the league’s most-pressured QB largely because of his own failings, and not those of the line. That being said, this is where the grades begin to fall off and O-lines look seriously flawed. C Cameron Erving has been a major disappointment as a center, struggling to run block or pass protect, while even LT Joe Thomas has shown signs of being mortal. So...the C has been a major disappointment and our only God-like OL has been mortal...and our LG is out for the year...and our RG keeps shuffling to C...and our best C lasted 3/4 of one game. This assessment is incomplete without also mentioning the lack of quality/experienced WR options (at least until Coleman gets up to speed...as a Rookie)...AND the fact the CK holds the ball too long. Other than that though...
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lol that says a lot about the other teams' OL ... I watch Green Bay, Indy, Seattle, etc ... TONS of poor OL
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I doubt we can view Cam as a part of the future. Maybe as a depth player at best. Oniel Cousins comes to mind...is Oniel still with the Bucs?
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roman oben was BAAAAD too
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who? why does that sound familiar?
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who? why does that sound familiar? at least you don't have recurring nightmares then haha
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who? why does that sound familiar? at least you don't have recurring nightmares then haha ha still recovering from retina damage. from watching Cousins play.
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Roman was starting LT when Bucs won the super bowl.
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Roman was starting LT when Bucs won the super bowl. which makes it even more painful
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