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Thanks for the honest answer, Clem!

Johnson is running under the libertarian party.

You don't have to know anything about them to still vote for them.

Which is actually kinda sad that you'll just vote for something you know next to nothing about.

At least anybody here who votes republican or democrat know enough about their respective ideology/party to defend it.

Voting for a third party doesn't make you neutral. And you haven't shown anything worthy enough of self-labeling yourself neutral.

As a matter of fact, you THINK you're neutral not because of policy, but because you think you're some sort of buffer between liberals and conservatives on this board arguing.

The reality is that you just get in the way.

I get in the way of your hateful agenda. So, thanks for the compliment.

I know about Johnson's platform. I know about Hillary's platform. I know about Trump's platform.

I know that none of you give us positive points about "your candidate." I know that all you guys do is rip the other candidate.

I'm not sad, little man. I'm open-minded and not stuck in the rut of biased thinking.

Keep running your big mouth and you'll see just how much I can get in your way.

No need for that, 40.

Me and Swish have visual proof. We got it the last time I had him over to my place for a couple bowls of 'sticky green'....

G13 will get you to The Truth, son!

If you have to constantly tell yourself and others that you're open minded and neutral, chances are you probably aren't.

Enlightening moments.

Is that like old Wheaties Cereal or somtin?

j/c

Here's my dream ticket.
I met them when Swish & I were surveying the planet. Great couple of guys. Certainly worthy of MY vote-


Now, I really must be going. It's called "having a life"...

Here is a link that I posted earlier about Gary Johnson's platform. Just in case anyone has an open mind.

http://presidential-candidates.insidegov.com/l/39/Gary-Johnson

For those of you who actually read it....yeah, it won't be Swish or 40, but please note how he differs from his party on many issues. He's his own man.

I don't agree w/all his stuff. Not even close. But, he is a far better candidate than to the other two horror shows, unless of course........you want handouts w/out working [Hillary] or getting back to the old days---i.e. white supremacy [Trump.]

Picard was mind controlled by the Borg and is unfit to be President while Riker is a womanizer!

That was a fair thing for me to point out and I directed one to sources so they could listen and make up their own mind. Good debate. Right?

However, you didn't point anything out. You saying you are "fair" and "neutral" and others are "inaccurate" isn't actually "fair and neutral". You are simply saying your point is better than others.

Yeah, okay.

Vers, the reality is...your weakness is you resort to personal insults. Your knowledge on football is certainly credible. This is a compliment. Most of us in here would appreciate and respect your view much more so if you were simply able to debate and have dialogue on this board rather than resort to tantrums and calling people names. Life is too short to get that worked up or to descend into schoolyard behavior.

Look man............I only responded in such because I came to this thread in the hopes of being educated and all I read is one insult after another. Swish saying stuff like "pathetic" and "ignorant" and the other side reciprocating.

All you guys do is insult one another and the other candidate. You don't give us reasons why we should vote for your candidate other than the other guy sucks.

It's old. It's lame. I'm tired of it.

And then you--and a few others--get upset when I call you on it and say I am insulting you?!?! LMAO man.

That's all you guys do!

Now...............what do you think of Johnson's platform?

Well, I have finally decided who I am voting for. I was leaning towards Johnson, but his whole "foreign policy isn't important" attitude worries me. Thus, with some minor reservations, I have decided that I am going to vote for ......








GM. He is the candidate on my slate who I feel I can trust.

I cannot vote for Clinton, and I will not vote for Trump or Stein. I cannot cote for Johnson either. Thus, it's GM 2016 for me.

You put that in quotes. Did he actually say that? Or, are you taking liberties because he did not know one fact?

Ok. But...I have never resorted to personal insults. I have disagreed and debated but, have never insulted. I called you out earlier on something you said but, I didn't personally insult you.

Maybe I have insulted Trump. I will plead guilty on that one.




I said weeks/months ago when talking to Eve...I am an unapologetic liberal. Johnson isn't where I am at. I think the Libertarian party in general is too conservative for me. That said, I appreciate they are trying to be a true "small government" Conservative party rather than some of the nonsense the Republicans have focused on in recent years especially with these cartoon character nominees.

I do firmly believe we should have a viable third party and I welcome Johnson in the debates. But, lets be honest, he has no chance. IF he were able to pull 33% it would make things more interesting. He wont. I agree with Swish...he will end up pulling from Trump or maybe those right of center Dems who don't like Clinton.

Clinton is by no means a solid candidate. She has plenty of flaws. Nor does she represent my beliefs. However, as Clem said...she is, in my opinion, a far superior alternative to Trump and I cannot imagine the country I love be handed over to him.

I will be honest, I wish Obama could run for a 3rd term. He hasn't been perfect and there is plenty more he could have done but, he has had a Republican Congress stand in his way from day 1.

First of all, my OP wasn't just to you. It was to the lot of you. I am so tired of reading Swish's crap of calling others ignorant and pathetic and on and on. I'm tired of reading "Hillary is........" or "Trump is......"

Why should I vote for either of them? Because the other is worse? LMAO man.

I think you are pretty intelligent, PDX. By not voting for either Hillary or Trump sends a message to the parties and to Washington. Things need to change.

Change does not happen overnight. No, Johnson isn't going to win. However, sending a message through the only venue we have to the powers that be is what we have to do if indeed, we are not happy w/the current state of affairs.

Choosing the lesser of two evils and voting along party lines seems ignorant to me. It's passive. It's accepting what they force upon us.

Changes for the better do not come easy. You are a teacher. You know that the Child Labor Laws did not come w/out a fight. You know that the Civil Rights Movement was not won w/out a fight. You know that the Jim Crow laws were not abolished w/out a fight.

Stop accepting the wrongs that our government is forcing down our throats. Make a freaking damn stand and tell those son-of-a-b...errr......guns that we are sick of the status quo.


We might not win this battle, but battle we must. This is a war to save America from itself and I'll be damned if I am going to go down quietly!!!

Trump is catching Hillary because he has flip flopped his entire personality the last few weeks. He has gone from Angry Old Fascist to Guy You Could Almost Hangout With... But Hillary is still the exact same.

I blame Bill Maher and Cenk Uyger, they laid out this scenario a couple of months ago and were surprised when Trump continued to self destruct. Trump was listening though and switch it all up coming down the home stretch. Going to be President Trump soon... sadly.

DNC deserves it for what they did to Bernie.

The Libertarian philosophy is one that puts what happens inside our borders above all else, but that also is an anti-intervention philosophy.

He was asked about whether or not we should battle Isis in the Middle east, and he has said no, that we should wait till they attack us on US soil.

he has also said that we should, basically, ignore North Korea, because he doesn't think that they can develop a long range nuclear missile. That seems rather dangerous to me.

There are also a number of other statements he has made regarding foreign affairs that lead me to believe he is more isolationist than I can support.

Once again.................did you read the platform that I posted? Did you not notice how he differs from the beliefs of his party? Did you NOT see that he was a former Republican? Did you not infer that he probably joined that party for a better chance at having a free run?

And you are okay w/all of Trump's foreign policies? What about his positions on Iraq?

It seems to me that your mind was made up awhile ago and you really aren't trying to educate yourself.

However, that is your right as an American citizen. I am not trying to change your mind. I simply asked that people educate themselves before making a stand.

Apparently, that is a lot to ask......

I never said I was voting for her as I saw her as the "lesser of two evils". She is flawed, for sure but, I don't see it as the "lesser of two evils".

I do not dislike Clinton and I really believe that there are a portion of people who hate her who simply fear a powerful woman. She knows how the world works. She knows most of the leaders and they all know her. She is respected around the world. I know this for fact. I lived in another country for many years. I have family and friends from England to Tahiti and many places in between. Everybody we speak with all has respect for her. The disrespect you see in the States doesn't exist abroad. I think she is strong and has a spine of steel. She is a bit hawkish for me but, I think she is intelligent to not get us involved in some unforeseen war.

Domestically no matter WHO wins this election they are going to have a lot on their shoulders to pull our country together. We are called The United States. We need to be more united. To unite us may be the biggest challenge for anybody who takes the job.

Deanna Troi got his head right after that, and he exercised good judgement and sound leadership for the rest of his storied career. Riker never let his private life compromise his integrity on the bridge or in matters of interstellar diplomacy.

We could do worse.

Besides, Trump is a weaselly little Ferengi with Kingon aspirations. He thinks that wearing that tribble on his head is fooling folks, but we can see. His bakruptcies show us that he doesn't have the lobes for business, and he can be compromised by any foreign female half his age that gives him oomox.

Unfit to lead... in any century.
Unfit to lead... in any galaxy.

Clem, did you get a chance to read Johnson's platform?

The ISIS comment is stupid, but he's right about North Korea. Just let North Korea keep acting ballsy. They'd get wiped off the map if they attacked first. Russia doesn't like them. China barely tolerates them and they need the US rather they want to admit it or not.

Gary Johnson’s stances on foreign policy issues
https://www.isidewith.com/candidate-guide/gary-johnson/foreign-policy

I am not voting for Trump, so I don't know where you get that I am. I can't stand any of these bums.

I'm surprised to read this from you. And, disappointed. No disrespect meant.

What you wrote is an exact replica of Hillary.

Whether you see it or not is not the point. The point is, she is exactly what you hate.

Jokes don't translate well over the internet.
I was having some fun with 40.

I get lit up for joking around one-on-one with another poster, and others get a pass?

He and I may have opposing political views, but 40's a pretty clever guy. I trust that he'll take my post in the spirit that was intended.



each to his own, I guess.

just curious, Arch.... did you ever watch Star Trek/The Next Generation?


....that's where the jokes come from.
it's all just word-play.

If you want to read what I really think of Donald Trump, go back a page. That's where you can find me at my most judgmental and opinionated. It will probably make you respect me even less, but I'll find a way to live with it.

Vers is a genuinely good dude. He just gets over emotional and it doesn't translate well over the Internet.

Hillary is a borg drone who never had an original thought in her life. All she wants to do is assimilate you for her betterment. In my universe however, resistance is fertile.

I don't know what this oomox is but I am pretty sure that I'd like a foreign female half my age to come along and compromise me with it. (for the record I'm 48)

the problem is YTown is one of the first ones who mentioned Gary johnson, yet because Vers is late to the party(not a bad thing), he's acting as if nobody ever seen his platform issue's before (bad thing).

YTown can defend himself, but he is one of those guys who is NOT gonna repeat himself over and over again.

Vers wants confessions like we're back in the Salem Witch Trials.

Not true, Candy. I am a complete jerk.

Slight side step... Don't want to read the entire thread to see if it was brought up.

What do you all think about Trump saying that Obama was born in the US?

That comes after 5+ years of him saying he wasn't. Wonder what made him change his mind?

I got it and thought it hilarious that we were arguing about Picky and Rocker just like we do about Trump and Hillary.

I could have saved you a lot of typing by just saying she is a bitch.

It was hurting his credibility. Even though he had none on the other side to begin with.

I doubt he means it.

You remind me of a W.C. Fields quote, "I'm very fond of children. Girl children. About eighteen or twenty."

Isn't this...well....PC? I mean I don't have a problem with it, I guess. If he doesn't like it then whatever.

But it's a contradiction to the anti-PC rhetoric they tend to push.

Mike Pence Opposes Word ‘Vice’ On Religious Grounds, Doesn’t Want To Be Called Vice Presidential Candidate

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christopher-lamb/mike-pence-opposes-word-vice_b_12029434.html


Mike Pence, GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump’s running mate, told the news media at a press conference Thursday that he no longer wants to be called a vice presidential candidate.

The Indiana governor, an evangelical Christian, explained that he opposes the word “vice” on religious grounds. Pence said that the Bible has strict prohibitions against vice. He said the word “vice” means, among other things, “immoral” or “wicked behavior.”

“That’s not who I am, and that’s not who I want people to think I am,” he said. “I can’t in good faith willingly condone a word I find deplorable without violating my Christian principles.”

Pence’s statement came a few days after he refused to use the word “deplorable” to characterize David Duke, former Imperial Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, who has endorsed the Trump-Pence ticket.

Pence’s comment about Duke came in response to a question after Hillary Clinton, the Democratic candidate for president, referred to Trump supporters, including Duke, as a “ basket of deplorables.”

Pence was asked during his press conference if he condemned the word “vice” on Christian principles, why then didn’t he condemn the Ku Klux Klan, a white supremacist organization, that openly participates in immoral and wicked behavior?

“I would,” he answered. “But if we start criticizing deplorables, we run the risk of losing half our voters.”

Pence, who regularly touts his Christian faith, often describes himself as “a Christian, a conservative, and a Republican, in that order.”

Pence’s critics, however, say he uses the Bible to justify his intolerance for gays but ignores scripture when it comes to feeding the hungry, comforting the persecuted, and helping the needy.

A reporter reminded the Indiana governor that he cut tens of thousands of Hoosiers off food stamps in 2014, saying it would be “ennobling” for poor people.

“The Bible says that the Lord helps those who help themselves,” Pence responded.

“But governor,” the reporter responded, “that phrase is not in the Bible.”

“Never mind,” Pence responded, “it’s in the Republican Bible.”

Another reporter asked Pence about his executive order late last year that ordered an end to the resettlement in Indiana of Syrian refugees - most of whom are women and children — who were fleeing their war-torn country.

The Archdiocese of Indianapolis, among other religious organizations, defied the governor and accepted the refugees. A federal judge overruled Pence’s order by saying it “clearly discriminates” against Syrian refugees. Pence challenged the judge’s order.

The reporter then referred to Biblical scripture in a follow-up question: “Didn’t Jesus say, ‘Whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me‘?”

Pence was then asked if he considered it hypocritical to claim he was a Christian but refuse to allow desperate refugees to seek sanctuary in his state.

“Absolutely not,” Pence said. “If the Syrian refugees were Christian, we would help them.”