By the way, there's a word for what you do. It's called insecurity.
Oh I am just fine with what I say and think. I am what you call a NYorker and we say it plain. You like sugar on top and you can't understand why I won't dress it up for you all when your just plain wrong. Whoops I did it again.
But go ahead take me up on my challenge go and look at QB's who have success and they all have a common trait. Let me give you all a hint it has zero to do with having great O Line. To your credit Rish you said it right our O line isn't great it is however good enough for a competent QB to operate behind.
The only truly must have for any O Line is a solid/great LT from there a good QB is the real difference maker. Like all things that doesn't mean you shouldn't be as good as you can be across the board.
But go and look it will settle this stupid (did it again) talk about how our bad O Line is costing us. I will say this too Irving is so bad he has cost us but thats a rare animal. If he weren't a 1st rounder I wonder if we wouldn't have moved on from him he is another dummy, just like RG3.
I am hopeful that Kessler can settle in he reads defenses worlds better then RG3. He needs to trust his instincts and yeah he will make mistakes as he learns hopefully???? But RG3 is a waste of time, I hate that he got hurt but its actually a gift for the team.
BTTB
AKA Upbeat Dawg
Can't believe I am in a group that is comprised of the best NOT just fans but people on the planet.
I am hopeful that Kessler can settle in he reads defenses worlds better then RG3. He needs to trust his instincts and yeah he will make mistakes as he learns hopefully???? But RG3 is a waste of time, I hate that he got hurt but its actually a gift for the team.
BtoB...I believe Hue was making progress with RG, but in the preseason you could see that RG was struggling with the first read...when to trust his judgement and when to pull the trigger.
Some QBs "instinctively" recognize the open receiver and the thought process is so quick, the defense doesn't come close to sacking the QB. For example, Tom Brady is so quick with his ability to read the first and second option, defenses rarely get close to him.
When a QB comes off his first read, which RG was doing a lot, by the next read, the fight or flight response kicks in and running QBs begin to scramble.
RG situation is compounded by the fact that the Browns Oline is collapsing quickly, not giving the QB much time to make the 2nd or 3rd read.
Mac whats wrong with RG3 can't be fixed. He is football dumb. Great athlete but dumb. The intangibles don't exist in his world.
I assume at some point will get another look at him but Washington didn't give up on him because they saw hope, they gave up because they saw no hope.
All of this doesn't make me right Mac but I feel I got this one nailed down. As of this moment I believe the sooner we move on from him the sooner will get better.
Hue in this instance I believe let his ego make him believe he could get RG3 on the right track, I disagree with Hue on this one, but will see...
BTTB
AKA Upbeat Dawg
Can't believe I am in a group that is comprised of the best NOT just fans but people on the planet.
As long as you have a "scouting guy" with experience, which we have in Berry (he had a fast ascent similar to Robinson), and you have experienced scouts, and you are willing to listen to their input, you don't need a scouting background as a GM.
grimm...can you list all the NFL franchises that have GM WITHOUT a background in football...how many are there?
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Immediately after graduating with a Harvard Law degree in 2002, Brown found himself at the Wilmer-Cutler-Pickering law firm in Washington D.C., where his boss was Dick Cass – now the president of the Baltimore Ravens. Cass taught Brown the complexities of cutting deals and negotiating.
I looked up Dick Cass job title and responsibilities as the Ravens president. He has no background in picking football talent and has no GM experience.
Dick Cass is a businessman, sports executive, attorney, and a consultant...much like Sashi.
Most of us Browns fans know exactly who is responsible for picking the football talent for the Ravens...GM Ozzie Newsome.
The Browns have already experienced the ability of this makeshift GM duo Haslam hired. They wouldn't know a franchise QB if they were looking right at him.
This front office needs to add someone with a strong background in football.
As long as you have a "scouting guy" with experience, which we have in Berry (he had a fast ascent similar to Robinson), and you have experienced scouts, and you are willing to listen to their input, you don't need a scouting background as a GM.
grimm...can you list all the NFL franchises that have GM WITHOUT a background in football...how many are there?
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Immediately after graduating with a Harvard Law degree in 2002, Brown found himself at the Wilmer-Cutler-Pickering law firm in Washington D.C., where his boss was Dick Cass – now the president of the Baltimore Ravens. Cass taught Brown the complexities of cutting deals and negotiating.
I looked up Dick Cass job title and responsibilities as the Ravens president. He has no background in picking football talent and has no GM experience.
Dick Cass is a businessman, sports executive, attorney, and a consultant...much like Sashi.
Most of us Browns fans know exactly who is responsible for picking the football talent for the Ravens...GM Ozzie Newsome.
The Browns have already experienced the ability of this makeshift GM duo Haslam hired. They wouldn't know a franchise QB if they were looking right at him.
This front office needs to add someone with a strong background in football.
If there's reason to panic in Cleveland, don't ask Hue Jackson to lead the parade.
The Browns coach on Thursday dismissed suggestions the sky is falling all over again, telling reporters the early season cavalcade of injuries are just part of the game.
"I'm not blinking ... I'm never going to do that," Jackson said, adding: "This organization depends on me having a positive outlook ... I've seen this before."
The Browns have been lashed by injuries, losing two starting quarterbacks in Robert Griffin III and Josh McCown before dazzling rookie receiver Corey Coleman broke his hand during Wednesday's practice. Promising third-round pass rusher Carl Nassib also broke his hand in Sunday's loss to the Ravens.
It's easy for fans to wonder if hell is being unleashed on the team all over again -- the first two weeks of the season have been ridiculous -- but Jackson's approach is exactly what the club needs.
If your coach loses his cool, players will follow. Jackson has inherited a team with plenty of holes and issues -- amid an ongoing battle with the seemingly irate football gods -- but he's been as advertised so far.
His approach should give Cleveland at least one thing to smile about heading into Sunday's showdown with the Dolphins.
As long as you have a "scouting guy" with experience, which we have in Berry (he had a fast ascent similar to Robinson), and you have experienced scouts, and you are willing to listen to their input, you don't need a scouting background as a GM.
grimm...can you list all the NFL franchises that have GM WITHOUT a background in football...how many are there?
They all have football backgrounds, including the Browns. As far as not having a scouting background, Loomis of the Saints appears to have been on the finance side, Jerry Jones was never a scout as far as I know, Howie Roseman started on the business side.
Technically, the Browns don't even have a GM.
Here are the "official" titles from the Browns website.
Sashi Brown Executive Vice President, Football Operations Paul DePodesta Chief Strategy Officer Andrew Berry Vice President, Player Personnel Ken Kovash Vice President, Player Personnel
We're trying a different set up. It's early. We'll see how it works.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
Mac not sure why the hate for Harvard but I would rather have Harvard guys than community college boys...just my opinion.
I'd rather have guys smart enough to draft the #2 QB when they're holding the #2 pick. Letting Schwartz walk was stupid. Signing RGIII was stupid. Passing on Wentz was stupid. Drafting Kessler in the third instead of Dak was stupid. Ergo, they're stupid. JMHO
Cal...the question becomes, how long can this franchise endure this level of STUPIDITY?
It's only sustainable as long as Haslam allows it. He certainly can't blow it up after one year, or even two without looking like a complete moron.
It's possible the FO can grow and can make a decent decision regarding a QB in the coming draft. But if they pull this same, "We don't see him as a top 20 QB, we're trading down to gather picks" B.S. next year, that'll be tantamount to signing their resignation papers. Then, they're going to need to use a few high round picks getting the OL shored up, adding a playmaker, and getting major help in the secondary.
In other words, with all the picks they have, they'll need to put a franchise QB in place, make sure he's protected, has some weapons, shore up the defense, and show progress on the field. Or we're probably looking at another rebuild in 2018. If they'd been smart enough to retain Schwartz and draft Wentz, we wouldn't be having this discussion because the greatest issue facing them would already be addressed and one of the secondary issues wouldn't be nearly as urgent.
Now if they take Watson, Kizer or whoever and they flame out, they're going to look doubly stupid for passing on Wentz and we'll be sitting here pounding our heads against the rocks once again. It's ridiculously difficult to look down the road and see anything resembling promise or potential with the mess they've created, but they have about a year to get it right. So we'll see.
"I am undeterred and I am undaunted." --Kevin Stefanski
"Big hairy American winning machines." --Baker Mayfield
Cal, you should know Schwartz has sucked in Kansas City and Chief fans want him benched.
For 4 years it seemed over 90% of the posts on this board concerning Schwartz referred to how bad he played, how disappointing he was, how he needed to be replaced. I would be shocked if less than 90% of the posts on Schwartz weren't negative. Then, after last season, everything changed once we didn't re-sign him. He suddenly became Larry Allen.
Its like the pretend thing with Alex Mack. After we drafted him the very first thing I remember about the guy was his whining about coming to Cleveland and how, after all, he was a "California" guy and we shouldn't expect him to re-sign here. It was a consistent grooming, one of him being too good for us and we just needed to accept it. Years of listening and reading this crap, but having a select group of guys defending him. He then sets us up for failure with the contract he and his agent devise with the Jaguars. He makes tens of millions of dollars, playing center, off of having a couple good years, mixed in with a some real time off, and has apologists on this board defending every BS move he makes, every BS thing that came out of his piehole. They still do.
The only beef I have with the front office concerning Schwartz and Mack is that they could have easily picked up Ryan Kelly or Nick Martin in the last draft and chose to stick with someone who many people had grave concerns about.
One of the two guys we drafted will help us forget about Schwartz quick. Possibly the biggest reason for me to root for Cameron Erving to develop is so I never have to read or hear about Alex Mack again.
Our offensive line sucks? Hey, our offensive line really sucked last year. Really sucked.
Schwartz and Mack, possibly the two most overrated offensive linemen in NFL history.
101...Let's take a look at the experience level of another new guy starting GM career in 2016.
Titans GM- Jon Robinson- age 40. ...played HS football ...4 yrs of college football ...1 yr..graduate assistant at his alma mater ...2 yr..grad assist. at Nicholls State ...1 yr..LB coach at Nicholls St.
NFL ...4 yrs..Patriots area scout ...2 yrs..Patriots regional scout ...1 yr....Patriots assistant director of college scouting ...4 yrs..Patriots director of college scouting
...3 yrs..Buccaneers director of player personnel ...1st yr..Titans GM
Jon Robinson's football experience is generally a typical example of a NFL GM..11 yrs experience in scouting, judging "football" talent, then 3 yrs at the executive level. Honestly, Robinson must be a pretty sharp because he advanced quickly with only 14 yrs of NFL experience before reaching the GM level.
Now, I invite anyone to list DePodesta's and Sashi Brown's NFL experience
Honestly, I think there is more crossover in being a GM in a different sport than there is in simply being in the scouting department. The GM's job is about more than just scouting. In scouting, you are primarily looking at individual players and judging their talents and skills. As a GM you have to worry about contracts, legal issues, roster construction, in house discipline, trades, cuts, etc.
As long as you have a "scouting guy" with experience, which we have in Berry (he had a fast ascent similar to Robinson), and you have experienced scouts, and you are willing to listen to their input, you don't need a scouting background as a GM.
A scouting background doesn't hurt, but you also have a separate "head " of the scouting "department". The General Manager is over that, but he also manages other "departments". You can take different paths to the GM role through those different departments. At the top, you have to work with all of them. In the past, those different areas didn't work together very well. Sashi has experience in getting people to work together.
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“A challenge for NFL teams has been finding people that can bridge the gaps between business and football operations,” Brown said of his role in Cleveland. “Finding synergies and ways to work with people on both sides are unique and can provide tremendous value.
“Just having the opportunity to work with both sides of the organization is outstanding from my standpoint. Personally, it can be challenging. But organizationally it has a tremendous amount of upside for the Browns as we move forward – to make sure we are a collaborative group across the organization.”
Immediately after graduating with a Harvard Law degree in 2002, Brown found himself at the Wilmer-Cutler-Pickering law firm in Washington D.C., where his boss was Dick Cass – now the president of the Baltimore Ravens. Cass taught Brown the complexities of cutting deals and negotiating.
I was more showing that the sentiment is there amongst some Chiefs' fans than saying I agreed with it.
Schwartz got face raped most of the day. On one play Watt faked outside, went inside, and took his left (supposedly weak) arm and shoved Schwartz to the ground.
With one arm shoved a ****ing grown assed man, a "top 5 NFL RT" at that, to the dirt...
thanks for the link...yup not sorry he is gone.
I bet you're wondering the samething I did, why O' why didn't I take the...blue pill
I was more showing that the sentiment is there amongst some Chiefs' fans than saying I agreed with it.
Schwartz got face raped most of the day. On one play Watt faked outside, went inside, and took his left (supposedly weak) arm and shoved Schwartz to the ground.
With one arm shoved a ****ing grown assed man, a "top 5 NFL RT" at that, to the dirt...
thanks for the link...yup not sorry he is gone.
It's the "Harvard Boys" fault he's playing poorly in KC! Jimmy was up to something here.
This front office needs to add someone with a strong background in football.
Bernie Kosar!
Couldn't hurt!
Why not dream! ( I mean, if anyone is going to have no doubts about their motivations for the teams success, why not go with a guy, who has a history of the Browns being relevant.)
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
I was more showing that the sentiment is there amongst some Chiefs' fans than saying I agreed with it.
Schwartz got face raped most of the day. On one play Watt faked outside, went inside, and took his left (supposedly weak) arm and shoved Schwartz to the ground.
With one arm shoved a ****ing grown assed man, a "top 5 NFL RT" at that, to the dirt...
thanks for the link...yup not sorry he is gone.
It's the "Harvard Boys" fault he's playing poorly in KC! Jimmy was up to something here.
I didn't like the fact that both Schwartz and Benjamin has their best year in a contract year. Lol at them calling him Top 5, got to perform more than one great year to be ranked that high.
Face it, any owner in the nfl can name whomever they want to run and build their team.
Not every owner has the same goal or priorities for their franchise. All owners say they want to build a winning franchise..but when we see the type of people hired and exam their background, it says something about the priorities of the owner.
Of the 12 teams that made the playoffs in 2015, everyone of those franchises had a GM who came from a "football" background.
...said another way, 100% of the 2015 playoff teams built their winning franchise with the help of a General Manager who had years of experience playing, coaching, scouting and some with years as an understudy football executive.
I think it's fair to question what Jimmy Haslam is trying to build in Cleveland with a Harvard lawyer and another Harvard guy who made "moneyball" famous. Famous for building a baseball team on the cheap.
It's fair to question the judgement of management when they pass on a potential franchise QB...
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Well, according to Browns chief strategy officer Paul DePodesta (the guy Jonah Hill played in "Moneyball,") the team did not think Wentz has what it takes to be a top-20 quarterback in the NFL. And if there's one thing the Browns are really good at, it's evaluating quarterback talent. "Even though you have a desperate need for one, you have to resist the temptation of taking that guy just because you have a need if you don't believe he's one of those 20 guys at the end of the day," DePodesta told Tony Grossi of WKNR-850 AM. "I think that's the hardest part, just maintaining your discipline because you have the need. That's what we did this year."
IMO, questioning the ability of the Browns front office to judge football talent, deserves to be questioned, based on their actions since taking over in January.
Is tanking a good organizational strategy or a cop-out? -- Bud vs. Doug
Is there anything really wrong with "tanking?"
By Bud Shaw, cleveland.com updated September 23, 2016 at 11:24 AM
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Here at cleveland.com we're unveiling something never yet attempted in the sports world -- sportswriters arguing on video.
We're calling it Prepare for List Off.
This bold new venture will come to you in easily digestible bits throughout the week, as cleveland.com columnists Bud Shaw and Doug Lesmerises each provide quick lists on a given topic, then explain why the other guy has it wrong.
This format may seem off-putting at first. Sports is typically a place reserved for long, serious discussions of important matters, the debate filled with nuance and respect for differing opinions.
But give us a chance.
Then tell us who got it right.
Our topic today is tanking -- teams setting themselves up for failure to better position themselves in the draft. Bud thinks it's a cop-out. Doug loves the idea.
We'll get better as we go. It can be difficult to blaze a new trail like this in an industry.
Watch the video, see whose list you like more, then come back and vote.
Want vote?...click this link and scroll down... vote
Face it, any owner in the nfl can name whomever they want to run and build their team.
Not every owner has the same goal or priorities for their franchise. All owners say they want to build a winning franchise..but when we see the type of people hired and exam their background, it says something about the priorities of the owner.
Of the 12 teams that made the playoffs in 2015, everyone of those franchises had a GM who came from a "football" background.
...said another way, 100% of the 2015 playoff teams built their winning franchise with the help of a General Manager who had years of experience playing, coaching, scouting and some with years as an understudy football executive.
I think it's fair to question what Jimmy Haslam is trying to build in Cleveland with a Harvard lawyer and another Harvard guy who made "moneyball" famous. Famous for building a baseball team on the cheap.
It's fair to question the judgement of management when they pass on a potential franchise QB...
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Well, according to Browns chief strategy officer Paul DePodesta (the guy Jonah Hill played in "Moneyball,") the team did not think Wentz has what it takes to be a top-20 quarterback in the NFL. And if there's one thing the Browns are really good at, it's evaluating quarterback talent. "Even though you have a desperate need for one, you have to resist the temptation of taking that guy just because you have a need if you don't believe he's one of those 20 guys at the end of the day," DePodesta told Tony Grossi of WKNR-850 AM. "I think that's the hardest part, just maintaining your discipline because you have the need. That's what we did this year."
IMO, questioning the ability of the Browns front office to judge football talent, deserves to be questioned, based on their actions since taking over in January.
Was Elway ever a scout? Yes, he watched film of opposing teams as a player, but I don't think he really evaluated individual players at every position the way a scout does.
Did they actually judge the talent or did they look at the scouting reports? They may have standardized some of the methodology and adopted a more numeric ranking system, but I think it is still the scouts who are "grading" the players. The may have shuffled things a little bit based upon positional value and team needs, but I don't think they were the ones saying who was good at what.
Honestly I think they did pretty well on "judging" talent. So far, the players we picked look like they belong in the league, and they could potentially be impact players. You could argue against Kessler, but he was always a developmental QB. You don't expect a franchise QB in the late 3rd round.
Maybe the scouts had Coleman with a higher score than Wentz. I liked Wentz, but a lot of my interest was projection based and off of items that are more subjective than objective.
Also, there is the fact that they work for an owner that is known to have a somewhat itchy trigger finger. Would you have wanted to hitch your wagon to an FCS QB with the team we'd have had around him? A guy who played on an FCS team which rolled along fine without him. His production as a passer didn't scream superstar. There was a lot to like with Wentz, but if you take a QB at 2 you are pretty much counting on instant greatness. How he'd handle the increase in speed was a real question mark. The Eagles expected to sit him, but he surprised them.
We already had a project QB in RG3, and he didn't need the pressure of a fan base yelling for the "future franchise QB." Did it blow up in our face? It looks that way a bit, but it's early and you can't really project injuries. Hue tried to instill in RG3 the need to stay healthy all offseason, but things happen.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
For 4 years it seemed over 90% of the posts on this board concerning Schwartz referred to how bad he played, how disappointing he was, how he needed to be replaced. I would be shocked if less than 90% of the posts on Schwartz weren't negative. Then, after last season, everything changed once we didn't re-sign him. He suddenly became Larry Allen.
That is a complete fabrication and not one person challenged it. Instead, they use posters from another board as sources for proving Schwartz stinks.
For 4 years it seemed over 90% of the posts on this board concerning Schwartz referred to how bad he played, how disappointing he was, how he needed to be replaced. I would be shocked if less than 90% of the posts on Schwartz weren't negative. Then, after last season, everything changed once we didn't re-sign him. He suddenly became Larry Allen.
That is a complete fabrication and not one person challenged it. Instead, they use posters from another board as sources for proving Schwartz stinks.
The reason nobody challenged it is because it is true.. People on here were banging on Schwartz as not being ready to start in the NFL....
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#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
Our offensive line sucks? Hey, our offensive line really sucked last year. Really sucked.
Schwartz and Mack, possibly the two most overrated offensive linemen in NFL history.
So again............it's okay if people make preposterous claims as long as it sheds a positive light on the Browns. However, point out a reasonable concern and expect to get bashed by multiple posters.
Was Elway ever a scout? Yes, he watched film of opposing teams as a player, but I don't think he really evaluated individual players at every position the way a scout does.
Grimm...so you are down to questioning the qualifications of the GM of the SUPER BOWL winning team...we are making some headway, I guess.
Elway played for 16 yrs at the highest level leaving the game as a player in 1998. After leaving the NFL he became a Co-Owner of an Arena Football franchise for 5 yrs before being named the GM of the Broncos.
I believe 16 yrs as a player and 6 more years as the CEO, Co Owner of an Arena Football team qualified Elway as one of the 12 GMs in last season's playoff teams.
My comment about ALL OF THE TEAMS IN THE PLAYOFFS LAST SEASON was...
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Of the 12 teams that made the playoffs in 2015, everyone of those franchises had a GM who came from a "football" background.
Then I went on to say...
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..said another way, 100% of the 2015 playoff teams built their winning franchise with the help of a General Manager who had years of experience playing, coaching, scouting and some with years as an understudy football executive.
Grimm, ALL OF THEM...100% of the teams in the playofss last season, CAME FROM A FOOTBALL BACKGROUND.
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We already had a project QB in RG3, and he didn't need the pressure of a fan base yelling for the "future franchise QB." Did it blow up in our face? It looks that way a bit, but it's early and you can't really project injuries. Hue tried to instill in RG3 the need to stay healthy all offseason, but things happen.
grimm...the good news is, all of you folks that are in love with these Harvard Boys are down to ridiculous excuses such as the one above.
At least you seem to be admitting that the OFFENSIVE LINE the Harvard put together was very poor. Yes, the Harvard Boys sucked at judging OLine talent, also.
Was Elway ever a scout? Yes, he watched film of opposing teams as a player, but I don't think he really evaluated individual players at every position the way a scout does.
Grimm...so you are down to questioning the qualifications of the GM of the SUPER BOWL winning team...we are making some headway, I guess.
Elway played for 16 yrs at the highest level leaving the game as a player in 1998. After leaving the NFL he became a Co-Owner of an Arena Football franchise for 5 yrs before being named the GM of the Broncos.
I believe 16 yrs as a player and 6 more years as the CEO, Co Owner of an Arena Football team qualified Elway as one of the 12 GMs in last season's playoff teams.
My comment about ALL OF THE TEAMS IN THE PLAYOFFS LAST SEASON was...
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Of the 12 teams that made the playoffs in 2015, everyone of those franchises had a GM who came from a "football" background.
Then I went on to say...
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..said another way, 100% of the 2015 playoff teams built their winning franchise with the help of a General Manager who had years of experience playing, coaching, scouting and some with years as an understudy football executive.
Grimm, ALL OF THEM...100% of the teams in the playofss last season, CAME FROM A FOOTBALL BACKGROUND.
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We already had a project QB in RG3, and he didn't need the pressure of a fan base yelling for the "future franchise QB." Did it blow up in our face? It looks that way a bit, but it's early and you can't really project injuries. Hue tried to instill in RG3 the need to stay healthy all offseason, but things happen.
grimm...the good news is, all of you folks that are in love with these Harvard Boys are down to ridiculous excuses such as the one above.
At least you seem to be admitting that the OFFENSIVE LINE the Harvard put together was very poor. Yes, the Harvard Boys sucked at judging OLine talent, also.
You used the word "and" rather than "or" which led me to believe you thought they all had scouting experience. I'm not questioning Elway and the job he's done, just his "background." In my earlier post, I specified that watching film as a player and as a scout is somewhat different.
Do you know what else was true of those teams in the playoffs? None of those teams were as bad as the Browns when the GMs got there.
The Lions may have been close, but none of them had the dumpster fire we have.
Most of them were not implementing new systems and coaching staffs.
Can we give the FO some time before we break out the pitchforks and torches?
This draft class looks better than the ones we got from "football guy" Ray Farmer.
Your background means very little, it matters how you do the job. Football guys fail as GMs.
I'm not in love with the "Harvard boys," but I haven't gotten to know them yet. They've had one offseason with a bunch of new faces and trying to implement a bunch of new processes. To me, it makes sense to see how things are working before making a huge investment in a QB. Sashi doesn't have a scouting background, and probably doesn't know if any of the actual scouts are good at evaluating QBs. If they are the ones who led us to draft Weeden, Manziel, etc., it would make me pause.
Our top OL pick is recovering from surgery. He could be a good player. They wanted to keep Mack and Schwartz at the right price. How does any of that say they can't evaluate OL? They didn't get them re-signed, but that doesn't mean they didn't know the caliber of players they were.
The O-Line actually hasn't played super bad. They've looked bad on individual plays, but when the other team sends an overload blitz the QB has to get it to the open man quick.
RG3 got hurt on a scramble.
I'm guessing McCown got hurt on a blitz. I like a lot about McCown, but he's not the quickest processor of information on the field.
Can our OL improve? Definitely. How do they get better? By working together, both the lineman with each other, and the line with the QB. Then there is the QB and WRs seeing things the same way which also takes reps and helps get the ball out quicker. Plus, the OL and the RBs have to get used to each other.
Malcolm Johnson looked terrible last year, but has made some nice blocks this year. Players can get better with time and reps.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
Watched the game...but I can't stop thinking about the ability of Depodesta and Sashi Brown to judge football talent.
ANYONE CAN PLAY RT, right?...ANYONE!
After letting Mitchell Schwartz walk away in free agency on March 9, 2016, pulling the offer they had previously made to Schwartz...Sashi and Depodesta offered Austin Pasztor a one year contract on March 22, 2016.
Pasztor performance against the Dolphins exposed not only Pastor's ability but also the ability of the Browns front office to judge offensive line talent. BTW, Bleacher Report ranked the top 35 RTs after the 2013 season...Pasztor just missed being ranked as the worst RT in 2013, ranking 34th.
Dak Prescott played yesterday, again exposing the judgement of the Browns front office to judge talent at QB, with Sashi Brown and Depodesta passing over Prescott and taking Cody Kessler in the 3rd round.
Also, Carson Wentz, the franchise QB of the Eagles who Sashi Brown and Paul Depodesta traded away, had another good game, leading his Eagles to their 3rd straight win, this time over the Pittsburgh Steelers...there goes that often used excuse some Browns fans rely on to defend the Harvard Boys, "Wentz hasn't played against top talent yet"...Wentz was deemed by Paul Depodesta as not top 20 talent among QBs.
These are some of the judgements made by the Browns analytics Harvard Boys in their short time running the show for the famous Jimmy Haslam.
There is more to this story..it goes on to talk about the kicking problems and mentions Phil Dawson
Cleveland Browns Scribbles: Problems at right tackle, kicker -- Terry Pluto (photos)
By Terry Pluto, ThE Plain Dealer link updated September 26, 2016 at 6:08 AM
MIAMI, Florida -- Scribbles in my Cleveland Browns notebook after their 30-24 overtime loss to Miami.
1. The one free agent the Browns allowed to walk away who has hurt the team the most is right tackle Mitchell Schwartz. Pro Bowl center Alex Mack had no intention of returning, but Schwartz was open to re-signing with the Browns. It never happened, as he went to Kansas City.
2. I bring this up because Austin Pasztor had one of the worst games by an offensive lineman -- ever. That's not a big stretch. Pasztor was flagged for three holding penalties. That's right, THREE. And he was flagged for two false starts. If you're counting, you need all five fingers to keep track of Pasztor's penalties.
3. Pasztor's five penalties cost the Browns 65 yards. He also allowed at least one sack. Several times, his man pressured quarterback Cody Kessler. I'm astounded the Browns stayed with Pasztor for the entire game. I'm not going to dwell on losing Schwartz. But I do think it's time for someone else to play right tackle, perhaps rookie Spencer Drango.
4. Heading into Sunday's loss, Profootballfocus.com rated Pastzor No. 64 out of 68 regular NFL tackles. You can say it's subjective, but Pastzor had a very rough game against Philadelphia. He allowed a sack and six QB pressures against the Eagles, according to Profootballfocus. They gave him "a clean sheet" in the game against Baltimore.
5. My thought is when a player is obviously having a terrible game on the offensive line, why not take him out? They do at other positions, including the defensive line. Pasztor's confidence was shot trying to block the quicker Dolphins -- and he made it worse with all the penalties.
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