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pretty ironic that no one wanted him more than me .. and now I will be one of the very few that won't be crying cause he isn't playing when Frye and DA fall flat on their faces ..

BAH!
I am in that minority that doesn' t want him playing right away.
I want the oline to be settled and playing together ..I've said that on more than one occassion and he needs to learn the game without any pressure...no need to rush him.
The real irony is if Frye/DA implode horribly they may be go ahead of schedule and play him.

We've agreed more often than you know. We're both just too much alike. Either that or my labatomy did have an affect on me after they promised it wouldn't.

I want him to play when HE'S READY ... I could care less about Frye, DA or the OL .. when BQ is READY run him out there ...

if its week 1 ... run him out there ... if its not till next year .. FINE BY ME ...

If I was running things BQ playing would be DETRMINED BY BQ, not by how those in comp with him or the supporting cast is playing .. to me .. Frye and DA would just be pawns in this chess game .. and when my king is ready hes in ..

I get that about HIM being ready..but in regards to the line..I have seen our QB's get hammered out of their bodies with the previous Olines.

Now we have a better bunch but a rookie LT who will get his dues, new LG , new RG and possibly either Tucker or a new RT..

Doesn't matter if BQ is ready ..he won't be ready to take the blows that will be coming unless that line somehow gets cohesive very quick.
I don't want to see any of our QB's get hurt ..I've seen enough of them go down.

I just want the best prepared ; the guy that will give us the best chance to pull out a win , at QB .. I don't care what his name or initials are .. My problem is Don't have a lot of faith in RAC. making the right call ..

I think you are very confused. The posters who did not want Quinn, did not want him as the # 3 pick in the draft. They wanted Thomas.... The Browns drafted Thomas with the # 3 pick. I think everyone said that if Quinn lasted until pick 36, they would be happy to take him then..... No one thought Quinn would last past pick 10, much less make it until pick 22. I'm happy with Quinn at 22, but would STILL be very pissed off if we'd taken him at # 3, with Thomas on the board.

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he won't be ready to take the blows that will be coming unless that line somehow gets cohesive very quick.
I don't want to see any of our QB's get hurt ..I've seen enough of them go down.

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thats BS ... your scared cause of the past ... FOOEY ..

when BQ is ready (that means hes ready to make QUICK DECISIONS and GET RID OF THE BALL WHEN NECCESSARY) THEN HE SHOULD GO OUT THERE ...

Joe wil need to learna nd will have GROWING PAINS .. but he will still be BY FAR THE BEST LT we've had since our return ... and Stienyis BY FAR THE BEST LG we've had since our return ..

is this OL going to be Avg?? MAYBE by the end of the year ... but from Day 1 it will be BY FAR THE BEST OL we've had since our return .. and its NOT EVEN CLOSE .. see the BACK UPS as part of the reason for this also ..we finally have DEPTH ... thats HUGE ...

U cant protect BQ from our OL .. thats just DUMB in that your looking backwords and not forwards ...

part of BQ being READY means he needs to be able to HELP IN HIS SELF PRESERVATION ...

Why is it dumb when we'll have practically a new line that hasn't played together one freaking down before?
It's dumb to think from day one it's going to functually protect BQ(if he should start)..
I never said it's the same bums that we've had before..
Interesting that today it's dumb but when I said this a month ago it wasn't dumb..

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But no one can expect him to be the "saviour" in year 1.

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People will say that in the logic of June.... then when we are 2-5, the "what do we have to lose" talk will begin along with the "he might as well learn on the field" talk... then when he goes in and we aren't noticably better, the dreaded "b" word will be used... as sure as the sun shines and the rain falls.... it's going to happen.

I think Quinn will be ready to start but I dont know if the Browns will be ready for Quinn to start. It is going to take time for the OL to come together especially with a rookie LT.

When a new car is made they dont just stick a new driver in, they break out the crash test dummies to see how it performs in an accident. Well we have two crash test dummies raring to go and if there are some early accidents Quinn wont be road kill it will be Frye or Anderson lol.

It may not Arch my friend... but "they".... and "they" know who "they" are, will go down that road...

It will probably be Anderson....he looked good in limited action last year and every report I have seen the last few days says he is clearly looking the best....

It is early, but it means something.

If mini camp means anything, Anderson will enter camp #1.

Hell the Cavs were in the middle of the NBA finals and people on here wanted to get rid of the head coach and all but 3 players...

Rather than pre-determining who the starter is going to be, I think it is more prudent to let this unfold during training camp and pre-season.

With the new offense, rebuilt OL, Lewis hopefully being healthy, we could have the situation that Savage wished last year, ... not to have to force the QB (in this case Frye) to have to play well in order to win games.

So we have interesting options, the scrambler, the big gun and the kid... Since I have not seen any of them play a down, it is too early to pick a winner...

But I guess we can lay the bets down...

Entering camp #1 doesn't mean he will stay there. All the qbs will get ample opportunity to show off.

I know they said a early decision was ideal, but something tells me it will be pretty unsettled through the first 2 preseason games.

"It will probably be Anderson....he looked good in limited action last year and every report I have seen the last few days says he is clearly looking the best...."

He looked good one half - you really don't like Frye...lol

Every Report?? Its one report from OTA's where they threw 6 balls each...lol

Outside of that - its noted by everyone - he throws the best ball - best arm. There is always a BUTT attached and it has to do with running the Offense and has to do with accuracy as in what the heck good is good strong arm if your Accuracy SUCKS on passes over 15 yards?

BTW - I guess we are going to throw out all those rolling pockets we are putting in - well at least two QBs can be effective in them...CF and BQ - hmmm I know you don't like them - but lets see what Chud has in mind with them.

JMHO - I will be very, very surprised if Anderson is our starting QB. If so then we surely will see BQ starting by game 6. Anderson is a career backup.

No . i thought it was DUMB a month ago .. just didnt adress it then .. *L* ...

If i adressed everythign I thought was dumb that was posted on this board I;d be here 24/7 .. (and that would just be for what soup and menZa post .. ) *L* ..

Mourg ... *LOL* .. great analogy .. and man has that been true for the past 6 years ..

I just dotn think its going to be near as bad as u guys make it out to be this year ... EVEN FROM DAY 1 .. (WOW .. who'd a ever thunk I'd be OVERRATING our OL .. *LOL* .. ) ..

Joe will need to learn .. but EVEN RAW he is LIGHT YEARS AHEAD OF EVERY OTHER LT WE'VE EVER HAD ON THIS TEAM ...

Stieny is BY FAR THE BEST OLMAN we've ever suited up .. and again its not even close ...

I have said for years ... the CRAP we put out there could play every down together for 3 yrs. straight and STILL STINK due to the TALENT LEVEL .. well this Unit will be BETTER FROM DAY 1 due to the TALENT LEVEL .. and as they mesh they will become even better ...

I just don't think we need to hold BQ back due to our OL needing crash test dummies .. before the dummies were crashing into the wall at 75 .. this year I think the test crash speed will be closer to 25 .. *LOL* ..

anyhow .. i aint gonna debate this on here right now .. when BQ signs then maybe it'll be worth talking about .. if he isnt in camp by the end of week 1 .. hes in an even steeper uphill battle to win the job week 1 ..

U go ahead and think it's dumb..I don't..even with upgrades it's still gonna take some time for them all to work effectively ..
I know it will be a better line than any that was carved up and thrown out there like a Honey Suckle Turkey..
While I'm not ready to fast forward to TC and preseason(don't want to rush summer out) I want to see how they progress..

I know u know better .. but this one REALLY MYSTIFIES ME ...

I could care less about COHESION, GELLING OR PROGRESSING ... its starts with TALENT .. we have had LITERALLY NONE .. but heres his how what your saying sounds to me ..

Joe/Stieny/Fraley(here for the ENTIRE YEAR)/McKinnie/Tucker needs to Gel and spend time together before it can play up to

Shaff/Druzzi/Fraley(who MISSED THE ENTIRE OFF SEASON AND TC last year)/Coleman/Tucker ..... who HARDLY EVER PLAYED TOGETHER PRIOR TO GAME 1 AND NOT MUCH AFTER GAME 1 ....

GIMME A BREAK ... the 1st GROUP could walk off the street and start game 1 and play BETTER than last YEARS CRAP if it played together for the last 5 years ..

the only position that is not LEGHT YEARS BETTER in group 1 is Tuck .. and if he cant go .. we have Shaff to pencil in ..

Joe v Shaff ... *LOL* ...
Stieny v Druzzi .. WOW ... REMARKABLE ...
Fraley v Fraley ... well last year he showed up how long before week 1?? this year he has THE ENTIRE OFF SEASON ... should be WAY MORE COHESIVE than last year ..
McKinnie vs Coleman .. COLEMANS A BUM .. even if McKinnie cant play .. how much worse can Sowells be????
Tuck vs Tuck ...

I dont get it bro ,, this OL needs time like all .. but the TALENT IS SO MUCH BETTER than last years ... its LIGHT YEARS AHEAD of last years .. barring TC injuries it will be a MUCH BETTER OL in week 1 than it was last year ..

I'm done here .. we have plenty of time to talk about this over the next 3 months .......

I agree......cohesion is great, but it happens a heck of a lot faster and becomes less important as your players skill level becomes better.

Diam , you hit the nail on the head, this OL is like a Lexus vs a VW.
We are light years better than last years line.
While I'm not an advocate of starting BQ, I don't understand the reasoning of not starting him because he would get hammered.
If we stop to worry about him getting hit, than we shouldn't have drafted him, this is football, your going to get hit.
If he's the best choice at the start of the season, he should start.
Isn't this really about picking the guy that makes the best choices that puts us in the position to win ?
If thats Brady then he should start.
Not the guy with the best arm, not the the guy with the most starting experience, not the guy that played for the OC in a prior life.
JMHO

Staff wants a QB from start to finish
JEFF SCHUDEL, Morning Journal Writer
06/14/2007
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BEREA -- Coach Romeo Crennel and his coaching staff are taking their time naming a starting quarterback. When they do, they want that quarterback to remain the starter for the season.


In other words, the game plan does not involve Derek Anderson or Charlie Frye starting against the Steelers Sept. 9 and then turning the job over to rookie Brady Quinn a month later.

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''I'm thinking whoever our No. 1 quarterback is, is our No. 1 for the duration,'' Browns new offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski said after practice yesterday. ''We'll determine that in training camp at some point, obviously before the first game. Where we go from there, I'm not going to worry about that.''

Chudzinski said 60 percent of his playbook is basic to the offense. The other 40 percent is adaptable to a specific quarterback or skill-position player.

Immediately after the draft, Crennel said Frye had ''a leg up'' on Anderson and Quinn. A week ago, Crennel grinned and said ''Anderson has a leg, too,'' and yesterday Crennel said Anderson is throwing the ball better than any other quarterback in camp, but that is not enough to make him the starter, Crennel added.

The X-factor for Quinn is his contract status. Any holdout would make it difficult for him to start, though general manager Phil Savage said a holdout would not eliminate Quinn as a starter. If the Browns think he is not ready, a holdout would be a convenient reason to start Frye or Anderson.

Spring practice, known in this era as Organized Team Activities (OTAs), began May 22 with Quinn throwing three interceptions and Charlie two. Anderson did not throw any.

If improvement is measured in throwing to the right colored jersey, then Anderson, Frye and Quinn are getting better. Anderson was intercepted once in the end zone by Eric Wright in the afternoon practice of minicamp yesterday. Quinn and Frye were not picked off, but Anderson was also the only one to throw a touchdown pass in the session.

''By no means are we where we want to be once the season starts, but we're on the right track,'' Chudzinski said. ''Part of the OTAs and what training camp is for is getting a better feel of what the guys are good at and what they can execute. We're getting a feel for their individual talents and skills and how much they can handle at each position.''

The Browns scored 238 points last season. Only the Raiders (168) and Buccaneers (211) scored less. The Browns were dead last scoring in 2005 with 232 points.

The result of back-to-back dismal years was a new offensive coordinator in Chudzinski, a rookie quarterback in Quinn, new left guard Eric Steinbach via free agency, new left tackle Joe Thomas via the draft and new running back Jamal Lewis via free agency.

Chudzinski's offense is up-tempo, based on pre-snap motion to confuse the defense. Braylon Edwards, for example, might line up split left as the wide receiver on one play, as the flanker on the right side on the next or in the slot on the play after that.

JSchudel@news-herald.com

good read...

I am pulling for Frye, but if Anderson is out doing him, then put the best player in. I guess I have formed a little liking towards Frye just b/c he is a hometown hero, and everyone has doubted his talent from the jump... Whether it comes to his hand size, his throwing power, blah blah blah blah blah... Im rooting for the Underdog.. Frye.. I think he can prove the haters wrong.. and I think he can make his dream come true.

I'm pulling for Quinn. Hometown hero as well, with the pedigree of a blue chip winner. If Charlie Weis says he'll be ready sooner rather than later, and in 3 years will be a top 3 QB, I'm inclined to believe it.

I've rooted for the underdog for too long, it's time to root for the guys most likely to win.