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Yep - philly was a 10 win tam to years ago... Way more talent than we have... I wanted wentz before the draft but understand the trade... Just hope we find a QB this year or next year.... We needed to get a ton of talent to build this team up...

I thought the team played hard and didn't give up. They just didn't have the talent to win it. Play calling didn't help either.

How in the name of all that is unholy can people here say Kessler will only make a good backup? Based on a preaseason and one game!?!? ONE GAME.???

People, he looked like a rookie. He's only been in the NFL for 5 months, give him a chance, for God's sake.

I had to be in Mexico, Guadalajara, for training this weekend and figured I was missing the game, but found a far off bar that we took a taxi to to watch the game. Guys at the bar (brothers and partners ) were awesome and hooked up the game for us to watch.

Man I'm glad we took a flyer and went to that bar. Maybe the dolphins are truly and earth shatteringly bad .... Or maybe we got ourselves a coach who can get more outta his players than we've had before. I wanted the win, but at the end of the day I'll settle for the browns looking like a real freaking NFL football team .... Thank you.

And to put it in perspective ... The kicker was signed a few days ago and cost us the game. The 3rd string rookie qb was forced to start and did better than I expected. Coleman - Nassib, probably our Two most exciting and impactful rookies.. out . Starting center of questionable talent (but still our best option) ... Out. So heck yes I will take it.

Watched the steelers get crushed by Philly. That hurts. Wentz is genuinely a stud. For me the play where he sidesteps, waited for the rb to turn the corner and then hit him with a beautiful touch pass in stride ... Very very special. But it doesn't dampen my hope for the Browns to keep improving.

That was tough to swallow. Miami isn't a good team and they were begging us to take that W.

I was impressed with how the team played, and how they fought threw adversity. It's brutal to see the team get that key turnover to set up the win and the kicker goes out and shanks it. Promising on one hand, and on the other, the NFL is a bottom line business and you lost.

the penalties are becoming a pretty annoying trend. I get that Miami's defensive line is good, but the false starts after big plays, and the holding calls held us back all game, and Pasztor's final penalty really nailed us. We're barely good enough to compete, but when we inflict damage on ourselves this is what you get.

I know this is all part of the process. You can't replace every position with young upstart players in the first year. Austin Pasztor will probably not be around when this thing is further along in a year or two. It doesn't make it any easier to digest as a fan who has to put up with this every week.

I thought Cody Kessler hung in there. He needs to take better care of himself. I thought the refs really did him a disservice on that offsides call. It should have been blown dead immediately. Instead the defender got a clean shot on him. It was a big enough shot that they needed to remove him to test him for a concussion. That's an awful job of officiating.

He made a few nice throws. You can tell he's played in a pro style offense before. I think the arm strength is probably something that will hold him back, but today's game left me wanting to see him play more. I think they will go back to McCown if he's ready but the guy impressed me a little for being thrown to the wolves so early in his career.

Terrelle Pryor has put to rest any doubts about his transition. He played an amazing game. His comments during the week about his commitment to the game were really backed up. It was amazing performance that will probably get lost in the fact that we lost, and the way we lost, and all of that, but I really see the guy turning into a true pro, and even a bit of a leader. I read some stuff about how he was downplaying his performance to his own teammates because they lost. The guy has come a long way from his college days.

The defense really hung in there. I think they gave all you could really ask for. It's a young group, and it was banged up.

This sucks, but at least the team as a whole seems to be coming together. I said before I just want this organization to be on the upswing when December ends.

we outplayed miami by a ton IMO .. their DL turned it on just enough in the 2nd half and Landry was hot too. other than that, our guys deserved to win

it's Kessler's first game. I can't imagine that anyone will know if he will be a backup or a starter or out of the NFL.

Post game thoughts:

We played very well all things considered....

One HELL of a coaching job by Hue Jackson and his staff.

Game three season one. Nothing to panic about. This is a long term rebuild.

Pryor is really impressing me. I am so glad we have him on the team.

Our defense is playing much better than I thought they would this year. Sure we have some huge holes to fill but in general it could easily be far worse.

I think it's safe to say we will be in the running all season for first pick in the draft next year. Yet I'm more positive about this team than I have been in a long long time. We fight hard every week. There is no quit in this staff or team. Give them some more talent and a little time to develop it and we could be really good.

Pryor has real potential be a star in this league.

I had to listen to the game on and off at my son's baseball game today, but I couldn't believe my ears when I heard that Hue Marty Mornhinweg'd the OT possession.

The D seemed to play with urgency and a will to win.

Pryor gave it his all. Heck of a game. It reminds me when Cribbs was our only playmaker.

Kessler had a rocky start, but seemed to gather himself.

Sounds like the coaches pooped their pants when the game came down to the wire. Maybe I'm wrong. However, to their credit, they are doing a great job at keeping these guy motivated and playing a full 60 minutes.

Cody Parkey...yikes. Seemed like the Browns have taken the kicker position seriously since the Banner era.

agreed

watching the game today and then Hue's press conference ... i just have a differnt feeling about Hue and this team's demeanor.

IMO Hue gives us the best chance to turn this franchise around

After letting this sit for a few more hours I think we are doing somewhat decent, given the circumstances. The teams we have played so far are:

Eagles (3-0) Score: 10-29 L (Road Game)
Ravens (3-0) Score: 20-25 L (Home Game)
Dolphins (1-2) Score: 24-30 L (Road Game)

We are on our 3rd starting QB. We are decimated with injuries this week. Starters out: Haden, Erving, Nassib, Coleman, Murray. Gordon suspended.

Put all that on top of the fact this team was not really built to win this year. We traded away several guys, cut a lot of vets. Really gutted this team. We have a new head coach, new offense, new defense. With all the injuries it is amazing we actually have been somewhat competitive in a couple of these games.

I just hope we can see these guys build up more and develop over the course of the season. They really need to find a QB for next year and fill a number of other holes as well. If they don't do what they need to do next year in terms of starting to stock the team up it will be beyond frustrating.

Pastor and Parkey are the only reason we didnt win this game by double didgits.

pryor was having a lot of fun, it was a true joy to watch the young man today. Someone posted awhile back Pryor can be the new Cribbs. lol how right they appear to be. He was a playmaker out there.

Cody Kessler played his ass off today as well. he allowed those around him to be difference makers. You dont have to have a guy thats gonna throw 3 TDs a game to win. you can win if you have a guy that makes few mistakes but allows those around him to do great things for him.

I would still draft a QB, but whether anyone likes it ornot, Cody did a fantastic job of getting the ball out, of leading receivers and the ball away from contact. Everyone cant be big ben and Aikman, sometimes players like Montana and Brees can be be the right fit.

bottom line, the he endured brutal hits, deflating missed field goals, penalties on every single drive and the game wasnt to big for him.

I thought that Kessler played pretty well, all things considered. He showed some good ball placement at times, and threw the ball away if there was nothing there. The Browns pass protection was flat out awful at times. He doesn't have a rocket arm, but he seemed to anticipate things well at times. I think that there's something there to build on. He also made it through the game without snapping in half, so that's a plus.

As far as the Eagles ....... man, the biggest surprise on that team might just be their defense. They have allowed a whopping 27 points through their 1st 3 games.

How about Travis Benjamin having another nice game in San Diego. I am not as upset about him leaving, as I think that we are going to have a really good WR corps when Coleman returns. He's had a couple of nice games though.

Others have said it, but it bears repeating. Terrelle Pryor is awesome. I didn't think he had a chance at being anything as a receiver, I was really wrong. He is my favorite player on the team.

We have two very legit running backs and they complement each other very well.

The coaching staff did everything in their power to put this team in position to win (I understand deferring in OT, I just don't think I would ever do it).

Ryan Tannehill is befuddling, he makes some great throws, but also some very boneheaded decisions. I feel like once we started blitzing him more often he became even more shaky.

Pasztor has to go. He was getting killed all day. I think we'll see Coleman start there soon.

Hue is a class guy...he said himself lost the game. It was the kicker..It was a last minute kicker that was rusty.

Im happy for the most part because we should of won. What the heck is the beginning of the game shift stuff. I think we`ve failed that first crazy look twice. The other one was Joe Thomas going out by a wide reciever.

We might need to fix simple first.

I know it lol. We shifted like ten guys the first play.

I like these crazy shifts, it throws a curveball at the D right away.

Folks. Meet one of our future fixtures at Safety going forward.

One Mr. "Nose 4 the Ball" Kindred.

I heard something that just blew my mind.

Shon Coleman was our only healthy scratch today. Every other inactive player was injured too badly to play.

That is just amazing. (and not in a good way)

I don't see how anyone can fault Kessler. We should have won, and would have if we had made any of those field goals, and if we had won, people would surely sing his praises. Kessler far exceeded expectations, and I would be happy to see him start the rest of the year. We would either learn we got a steal in the draft or we would give ourselves a cheap, seasoned young backup going forward.

We should have called a timeout to ice our own kicker. Maybe with the extra time he could have lined up correctly.

j/c:

CLE-MIA GRADES: MIAMI EDGES CLEVELAND, BUT PRYOR IS GAME’S STAR

Quarterback grade: Cody Kessler, 65.6

Kessler conservative, unremarkable but might be just what the Browns need

While the Browns would substitute Terrelle Pryor in on several drives, Kessler wound up taking 36 dropbacks for a franchise reeling from the loss of its primary and secondary options. Kessler completed 16-of-20 aimed passes under 10 yards and, surprisingly, completed five-of-seven beyond 10 yards. The rookie quarterback from USC would top all quarterbacks from the 1 p.m. games with an adjusted completion percentage of 81.8 percent. With Josh McCown unlikely to play in Week 4 at Washington, Kessler could begin to solidify his job leading the Cleveland offense with another solid showing.



Top offensive grades:

WR/QB Terrelle Pryor, 85.4
TE Gary Barnidge, 81.7
LT Joe Thomas, 80.2
LG Joe Bitonio, 77.0
RB Isaiah Crowell, 76.1

Welcome to the Terrelle Pryor variety hour

Every preseason, we get wind of a multitude of players seemingly on the cusp of stardom. In the case of Pryor, the rumors may have been accurate. Pryor proved to be the nemesis of the Miami defense after compiling the Browns’ top overall grade of 85.4 with a career-high total of 144 receiving yards. Pryor was targeted on 12 occasions, collecting each of the eight catchable passes and generating 7.1 yards after the catch per target — eighth-best among the 1 p.m. wideouts. However, Pryor would also turn four rushing attempts into 21 yards and a touchdown and connect on three-of-five passes for an additional 35 yards. The 2016 season could be the long-awaited breakout for the uber-talented athlete out of Ohio State.

Top defensive grades:

DT Stephen Paea, 84.5
LB Christian Kirksey, 83.8
CB Jamar Taylor, 81.0
ED Corey Lemonier, 80.7
ED Emmanuel Ogbah, 80.0

Edge rushers produce for the Browns

Emmanuel Ogbah had 2 hits, 3 hurries and 1 batted pass on his 36 pass rush snaps. The Browns also received edge pressures from Tyrone Holmes and Corey Lemonier that lead to turnovers for the Browns.

PFF Game-Ball Winner: Browns WR/QB Terrelle Pryor
https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-browns-dolphins-grades/

We have multiple injuries, on our 3rd string rookie, a kicker they dusted off on Friday night, and a strange game plan. It almost worked. I am really hoping they don't even consider canning Hue Jackson, even if he loses every game this year.

As for the kicker, I understand they picked this guy up on Friday night, and we could expect a little rustiness out of a formerly unemployed kicker, but he's also supposed to be a professional. He should have been better. I really hope the Browns are looking to see if Scott Player is still alive.

Right now, even though I'm unhappy with the outcome yesterday, I am not unhappy with the way the season is going so far. The eagles are looking like the team to beat this year. We got robbed in the baltiwhore game, and our broken 2nd string QB toughed it out through most of the game. We were in the dolphins game until the end with a 3rd string rookie, multiple injuries, a wide left kicker, and a RT that was way overmatched. Once we get a QB not made of glass, coaching might see us through a few games.

I'm probably a bit more bearish than others about Kessler's performance but there were some nice throws yesterday. I guessing we will let him continue to play and allow the game speed to slow down for him-- I thought that was a glaring issue early on which is why Pryor was in so often.

Loving the play of Kirksey each week and I think he is becoming a leader for the defense.

One play that stuck out to me was a play by Ogbah. I forget when it happened but it was on a pass play and he was trying to get after Tannehill. After noticing Tannahill was locked in on his target, Ogbah stopped his attack, stayed in his passing lane, and waited for him to make the throw. He batted it away. I thought that showed great awareness and hope to see Ogbah improving even more. I thought he had a good game.

I won't mention Pryor because it's all been said. What a game.

Pacztor wad bad. Parkey was bad. Outside of that there wasn't that much to overtly complain about. There were so many backups in there I wasn't expecting much.

Just chiming in so.

Kessler played better than I really expected.

That fg kicker sucks. Cut him immediately.

Terrell Pryor, dang he was all over the place. What a great showing for him. Outstanding.

Not sure why Hue abandoned the run there, it was working effectively.

Duke Johnson is elusive and powerful. I'd like to see more of him.

Ogbah is powerful.

Again, cut that kicker. Wow.

I could not agree more Spirit we have the kind of coaching staff that given time will build us a dynasty.

My hat is off to Hue Jackson this folks is one of the best coaching jobs I have ever seen in a game where we had everything stacked against us he put together a game plan that was incredible, just incredible.

Hats off to Ray Horton what a great plan he put in place for the defense both these coaches were so disciplined in their approach it was just remarkable to see the progress this team has made in such a short time.

This poster is a huge fan of this staff, we will win and it may not be this season but its coming and is it ever going to be great.

Spirit so glad to see you being so positive.

We were up by 3, then down by 11 and I think I thought it was over. So I went to the grocery store.

I came back and we were tied 24/24... What the heck happened.

Pryor is the real deal. The kid can play.

Kessler started out rough (being kind there)but turned it around. Not bad. Not great, but not bad. Something to build upon perhaps.

Packey... Look, I know the guy hasn't played in the preseason, and I know we just picked him up on Saturday, so a little slack is in order. But 3 for 6, No, I don't think so.

Pasztor had a rough day. Some of his issues were who he was playing across from. Miami has a pretty good Dline.

But some was just stupid errors.

The D was much better. It could be that they are just maturing in their roles. Dunno, guess we'll see.

Paea really played well from what I saw ... might be a nice pickup.

It was nice to see some of our new guys play hard and do some things. That's something we're not used to

The Browns lost. Again.

We are building a culture of losing.

They lost...I was super bummed as we had yet, another win taken from our grasp.

But, after some time to reflect I feel better about things. Given all of the offseason changes and all the injuries and who we fielded yesterday....we played hard. Nobody thought this season was going to be brilliant. But, we could be just as easily 2-1 (2 games that were lost by kicking). I just hope we stay focused and continue to play hard. We will take our hits, we already have, but yesterday and last week I saw a team that can land some hits and surprise people. We may be 0-3 but, we are not the worst team in the league.

We still have a question mark at QB but, Cody played solid and deserves patience and more time.

I think the future with Hue is bright.

Sadly, I think it's already been built

The franchise has lost for years. Bringing in all these young guys and almost guaranteeing that the team loses a ton of games is problematic. Building a culture where losing is expected is going to be hard for this team to overcome.

Think they would trade even for him with us? Not sure I would.

another thing I forgot to mention ... I've been impressed with Duke's ability to make people miss/break tackles thus far. Especially catching it out of the backfield and getting 1sts

Had to wait a day to calm myself and talk myself off what is now my traditional Sunday afternoon ledge....

Let's be real....no one thought we'd be this close. We're short a full third of our starting lineup and starting a 3rd round rookie at QB. YET we did pretty damn good.

Kessler showed potential- shows he has a head for the game. Now, that could mean that he's the next Ken Dorsey or we maybe we have something better. We likely have a few more weeks to see if he grows. Right now, I'm somewhat optimistic.

Pryor....no comment needed. Quickly becoming my favorite player on this squad.

The run game was solid...Crowell looks like a far better runner this year- more decisive and just hits the holes with no dancing.

Patched together defence played pretty decent- except we are REALLY struggling on pass rush. Seeing how clean of a pocket Tannehill had last night reinforces the impact Nassib was making. I yank Schobert from OLB and try someone else in the spot. I didn;t notice Schobert once last night and that a bad thing for a 3-4 OLB. I think he needs to move back inside as a backup. That Lemonier kid came off the edge HARD at the end of the game. Maybe give him a go.

Wake abused Pasztor last night and a number of posters have hit on it. It looks like Pasztor would make a better guard than RT. Maybe flip him with Bailey? Or give Drango a go?

Secondary outperformed last night. Were overmatched but once again I get the feeling like its young talent on the way up. Both Taylor and that Boddy-whatever kid look like they can be legit CBs. I like Kindred as well but he needs to wrap up better. He whiffed on two crucial tackles yesterday.

Parkey....don't even get me started. Pryor actually did a classy move and tweeted post game that Parkey shouldnt be blamed given his lack of practice time and rust. I get that....but even rusty, an NFL quality kicker needs to kick better than 40% from makeable distance. Where's Coons?

Didn't sound to me like Pryor expects to lose. If he can emerge as a leader and his attitude spreads, good things are on the horizon.

I Give Hue Jackson A lot of Credit for This Teams New Attitude ... I Liked What I saw When the Game Ended and our Players were Sitting on the Bench with with Angry Disgusted Looks on Their Faces ... That Shows Me A New Attitude one That Doesn't Accept Losing ... Keep it up Hue