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Report: Cleveland Browns deny rumblings of signing K Cody Parkey over free agent Robbie Gould due to money


Parkey, signed Saturday, went 3 for 6 in field goal attempts in the Browns' loss to Dolphins

By JACOB BARTELSON – jbartelson@profootballweekly.com
Published: Sept. 26, 2016 — 1:43 p.m.Updated: Sept. 26, 2016 — 1:46 p.m.
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After losing kicker Patrick Murray to a knee injury Saturday, the Browns signed 2014 Pro Bowler Cody Parkey. Yet, the following Sunday was a day to forget for Parkey and the Browns.

Parkey went three for six in field goal attempts, including a 46-yard miss as time was expiring in regulation. The Dolphins prevailed in overtime, handing Adam Gase his first NFL head-coaching win.

Yet, a report from the Miami Herald's Armando Salguero indicates Browns special teams coordinator Chris Tabor wanted to sign former Bears kicker Robbie Gould, who was surprisingly released Sept. 4. However, per Salguero, management deemed the Bears' all-time leading scorer was "too expensive".

Cleveland.com's Mary Kay Cabot cites a Browns source that denied the reported reason why the club opted not to sign the 34-year-old Gould.


"Money had nothing to do with it,'' the Browns source told cleveland.com. "That's absolutely ridiculous.''

The source continued and said the reason Parkey was signed was due to age, and his potential to be part of the team's plans moving forward. Parkey is only 24 and has a Pro Bowl to his name for tallying 150 points for the Eagles, a single-season club record, in 2014.

Gould could be an interesting option should the Browns reverse their plans. He struggled in his final preseason with the Bears, making 5 of 6 field goals, and just 1 for 3 in extra point attempts. Coupled with his downward trending previous two years, the Bears moved on from Gould after 11 seasons.


Gould was set to make $3 million in base salary with a $500,000 roster bonus before his release from Chicago.

I have a question. Do you do this with every FO? Or is it just because they went to Harvard?

Every team has disagreements on players.

I seriously doubt they were going to haggle over 300k. I bet they'd rather take the chance on a young kicker whose shown success in the NFL before rather than a guy near the end.

This one makes no sense Mac ...

We have to much space under the cap

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY TO ME

Was when I was reading the article I IMMEDIATELY thought to myself ... They could have went with Parkey over Gould cause he's much younger and could be on the team for the long haul .. That MAKES PERFECT SENSE TO ME ... It's what I would have done .. And it's CONSISTENT with every move we've made sans 3 ... McCown. Thomas and Haden ..

Then I read what the source said ...

Either Hue's going to win out on the talent acquisition side or the fighting will begin SOON .. Remember this year was TEAR DOWN and we did nothing in FA .. Next year things will be TORN down ,, and the BUIDING starts in earnest .. I am very INTERESTED in seeing how well that goes ..

Now .. What I'd like to know and could be a major problem ..

What's our scouting staff like compared to the rest of the NFL teams? ... That one will TELL a HUGE story into Jimbo's mindset ...

Anyone know how we compare to others in terms of scouts and a scouting department?

Hue Jackson says he plans to keep kicker who missed three field goals

Posted by Zac Jackson on September 26, 2016, 2:57 PM EDT
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Kicker Cody Parkey missed three field goals in his Browns debut Sunday, including one on the final play of regulation that would have won the game.

Monday, Browns coach Hue Jackson told reporters that he plans to have Parkey back for at least next week’s game at the Redskins.

Patrick Murray, who won the Browns’ kicking job in the preseason, was hurt during a walkthrough practice last Friday and later placed on injured reserve. That left the Browns with little time to explore options or hold kicker tryouts before Sunday’s game at the Dolphins and they ended up signing Parkey, who was cut by the Eagles in the preseason.

Parkey officially signed on Saturday and met the Browns in South Florida.

Jackson said reports that the organization was split on whether to sign Parkey or Robbie Gould and that the front office pushed Parkey are “so far from the truth.”

The Browns could still work out some available kickers this week, but Jackson said that as of now he plans for Parkey to have the job. Parkey made the Pro Bowl as a rookie in 2014 but missed most of last season with a groin injury.

Do you want it to be?

I'm way more interested in the scouting staff ... How many? .. There experience level .. How it stacks up against the rest of the NFL .. The support staff ..

That's what's IMPORTANT to me ..

Good Post

I didn't really say that "most people" thought the line sucked last year. I owned that one. I'll stick by it but I have no problem with anyone disagreeing with me. I will further my opinion with the belief that camp cupcake was responsible for them (Alex 10 Million Dollar Man Mack) being physically over run for most of the season.

Camp Cupcake. The brainchild of THE WORST COACH IN THE HISTORY of the Cleveland Browns. A coach one particular poster went constantly on record declaring he should get "more time" to further display his incredible ineptitude and incompetence. A coach who stands alone as the worst in our franchise's history, but was given a pass by a poster who wanted to scapegoat his performance behind the skirt of the GM. (Who I will concede is the worst GM in the history of the Cleveland Browns.)

The two worst, and I will stand behind that. I will gladly argue it. Kokonis was bad, but Farmer did way more damage. Palmer and Shurmur were bad, but nobody comes close to the job Pettine "didn't" do. JMHO

Memphis, your points about Schwartz are real good ones.

NO

I'm not sure if this is a sign of the FO and coaching staff having their first fight... Let me get my tin foil and get back to you.

maybe someone from our scouting department tipped off the media?
Sure Mac, a Browns scout met a reporter in an underground parking garage, wearing a trench coat and making sure he stayed in the shadows, not wanting his name attached to this placekicker scandal.
We can call it "KickerGate"

You watch too much bad television.

And apparently, so do I.

So instead of "Deepthroat" would the source be called "Long Leg"?

Are you saying "Deep Throat Meets Long Leg" would be a great B horror film of the late 50s, or a porn flick, or both?

Once again, it bears repeating, there is NO incentive for the front office to not spend money. It doesn't go into Haslam's pockets.

Haslam will make MORE money with a winning team. Why would he not want to field one? WHY would he instruct the front office to not get, in their opinion, the best player available to save money?

It makes NO SENSE.

The 50's was the best decade for both genres.

Dude, Haslam is totally pocketing that money and is going to move on to the next sports scam! Aren't you reading this thread?

I heard that he's shorting his NASCAR driver on his gas receipts...

Browns Scouting/Player Personnel staff:

Andrew Berry Vice President, Player Personnel
Ken Kovash Vice President, Player Personnel
Kevin Meers Director of Research and Strategy
Chisom Opara Director of Player Personnel
Bobby Vega Director of College Scouting
Dan Saganey Director of Pro Scouting
Mike Cetta Director of Scouting
Glenn Cook Assistant Director of Scouting
Zach Ayers Scout
Charles Bailey Scout
Zac Bocian Scout
Colton Chapel Scout
Lake Dawson Scout
Sam DeLuca Scout
Ron Hill Scout
Gerald McCully Scout
Patrick Moore Scout
Marshall Oium Scout
Max Paulus Scout
Sam Fioroni Scouting Assistant
Branden Francis Scouting Assistant
Scott Levin Scouting Assistant
Keegan Leyrer Scouting Assistant

Denver Broncos Scouting/Player Personnel staff:

PLAYER PERSONNEL/FOOTBALL OPERATIONS
Matt Russell - Director of Player Personnel
Tom Heckert - Director of Pro Personnel
Adam Peters - Director of College Scouting
Mike Sullivan - Director of Football Administration
Mark Thewes - Director of Team Administration
Ray Jackson - Director of Player Development
Mitch Tanney - Director of Football Analytics
A.J. Durso – Assistant Director of Pro Personnel
Jordon Dizon - Pro Scout
Brian Stark – National Scout
Eugene Armstrong - Southeast Area Scout
Dave Bratten - College Scouting Coord./Area Scout
Scott DiStefano - Midwest Area Scout
Klein Kubiak - Southwest Area Scout
Darren Mougey – Western Regional Scout
Nick Schiralli - Atlantic Area Scout
Scott Flaska - Football Analyst
Bryan Chesin – Player Personnel Assistant

I'm not going to post for all teams. If you are interested, a simple visit to each team's web page will provide you with answers to your question.

Tom Heckert has done well with denver. I actually didn't think he was terrible here either

Unless you know about each of the names on the list, it is just a bunch of names on a list.

Maybe you can't see that the front office AND coaching staff have a plan to build for the future. They are on the same page and sticking to the plan no matter how many fans witch and moan. I for one believe they are doing it the right way. There planning and design are solid. The only question is their execution. If they draft well and hit on young free agents it's going to be great. If they fail with the drafts they will fair no better than the last several regimes. However first the first time since Jimmy bought the team we have people running the team with a solid plan in place and it appears Jimmy is fine with riding this out and giving it time to grow.

Isn't it a little early to make such a claim?

Not at all. They want to rebuild the team through the draft. It's as plain as the nose on your face that they are doing so.

They are going to play the young guys and give them a chance to grow. Also as plain on the nose on your face.

They are not going to waste money on older players who might help them win a few games now but won't be helping them in 2018/2019.

So nope it's not to early at all. The only thing that's to early to tell is if the execution is going to be right or wrong.

Not yet bro lol But I hope to rewatch the game later this afternoon so I will be then

I agree 100% GM ... With everything .. I LOVE there plan .. And like u said .. It's as plain as the nose on your face ..

The reason I agree with what u said 100% is because now it's about EXECUTION ... Witch to me is all about TALENT EVALUATION ... Witch is what all PLANS in the NFL HINGE ON .. Lots of people at everything in life have GREAT PLANS but they fail in the execution all the time ..

The only parts to the plan that MAKE NO SENSE AT ALL ... OK .. It's really only one thing that sticks out ... Then the execution part has all ready fallen apart once IMO but it's to early to tell ..

- letting Shwartz walk after he came back cause they wanted to make a POINT WAS STUPID .. There's no two ways around it .. Coining your phrase ... It's as plain as the nose on your face .. And that has cost us on the field DEARLY ...

Also what they did and how they treated Williams .. I get there trying to set precedent with guys like Shwartz and Williams .. You simply don't treat people the way they did Williams .. U just don't .. And that sets a bad PRECEDENT ..

I'm not a big fan of Benjamin but he can help u win football games and they just let him walk .. with the lack of talent on this team .. U simply can't let guys that can help u win games walk .. It just creates another hole to fill .. Coleman looks like he has a shot to be REALLY GOOD .. But we could have drafted another OL or DL or OL or CB or OL or LB or OL with that HIGH PICK ..

Then I believe we traded down a bit to much ... That's the EXECUTION flaw so far IMO .. Passing on Wentz may have been a TALENT EVALUATION problem not a PLAN problem ..

We'll see how it unfolds .. And we'll see how the thief reacts as the losses ad up .. Hopefully these guys only need a year ... The thief has not shown he's a patient man ..

In terms of Sashi's comment of keeping our own players, I think that comment is at it's truest this year. We can chastise him for saying that heading into FA but it is so difficult to take over a FO and get players signed. Plus, according to writers, Mack and Gipson had one foot out of the door. So yes, after one full year on the job, it will begin with Pryor. Some other players would be Crowell (although he can be upgraded, I think we can sign him to a cheap contract) and Bitonio. Although Bitonio is not a FA until 2018, we should strongly consider an extension one year out and not let him get to FA. He's is playing so well. Kirksey could be another one who becomes a FA in 2018 but I'd like to see a little more from him, but he has played well this season.

AMEN and pass the ammo on that one. I could not agree more that was a major screw up on the part of the front office. I also don't like the way they treated Williams BUT there is more to that story than the public knows.

I disagree with you on Benji. He was not worth the money he was paid IMO.



I have no clue at all if we traded down to much or not. That's part of the execution to me and I am the first to admit I have no clue about college players as I never get to watch college ball. When it comes to players being drafted I feel comfortable saying Helen Keller would be more qualified to tell you what she saw,and heard about the kids, and much better talking about them as well.

I was playing around. A lot of people--including you--chastise posters for criticizing things too early, yet it seems okay to praise things too early.

Additionally, I don't think you can say it is a good plan at this point. It might turn out to be a good plan, but it might not. Too early to tell.

Building through the draft sounds good, but having a ton of contracts coming up at one time might be problematic. Furthermore, the FO did a terrible job of retaining their free agents this past off-season. How can anyone say they will do better in the future? You can't! You can hope, but there is no history to support that claim. The only data we have right now is damning.

Also, having a team full of guys who have never won before and have only experienced losing might not be the best plan. This is football. Not baseball. It's a team game. Building a winning culture is hard to do if you don't have any success.

Losing breeds losing. Teams play just well enough to lose and the fans can say "if only we made that kick," or "if only the refs hadn't blown that call," or "if only we don't make a bad snap..." The fact is that you lost. And the more you lose, the harder it becomes to win. I believe that w/all my heart!!!!

So yes, it is too early to declare the plan is good. Just as it is too early to say it is a bad plan. I can see arguments on both sides and I think we need to let it play out before we make all-encompassing declarations.

I am praising the PLAN not the results. I am not praising the players we drafted,and I am not negative about them either. I am in a wait and see mode just I have always been when we get a new front office, coach, or rookie.

{quote]How can anyone say they will do better in the future? You can't! You can hope, but there is no history to support that claim. The only data we have right now is damning. [/quote]

I never said we will do better in the future. That's why I said it all comes down to execution. As far as young guys and building a winning culture I agree we need to do that. However if their mental makeup is so week that they can't handle two straight years of losing IMO I would not want those who are that week minded on my team.

It's nice to still be able to agree and disagree with you in the same post bro

I think the plan is clear .. It may FAIL but if I walked into this situation .. I would have the SAME EXACT PLAN ... Now can they EXECUTE the plan .. Two entirely different things .. Like I said earlier .. Great plans fail all the time .. Due to LACK OF EXECUTION or NOT STICKING to the plan ...

Just curious .. What would u have done as far as a plan goes .. Not player moves, what would have been your plan for the current FA's on the roster, the NFL FA period and the draft ..

If you were the architect what would the plan look like?



Only if u have good players ... I would LOVE to finally have that problem .. I think your putting the cart before the horse here bro ..



HOPE is the key word there ... It's all we have bro .. They made a HUGE MISTAKE WITH SCHWARTZ ... They tried with Mack ... Gipson and Benji we never heard much about ..

Hopefully they learned from there MISTAKE with Schwartz ... TIME WIL TELL ..



That should change bro .. Hue isn't an IDIOT ... He knows u need someone to teach the pups how to win .. We're not ready yet .. This is about EVALUATION and TEACHING to see what we got ..

Once again as u correctly pointed out earlier .. All we have is HOPE ...




I think we can safely say it's a good plan .. Only question is will they STICK WITH IT and then the biggie .. Can they EXECUTE it .. And as u well know aquiring talent is by far the most important part of that ..

I HOPE they get it right .. As do u my friend ..

Vers - isn't this much more fun than chasing your posse around trying to change the walls mind? That's gotta hurt ... ..

They sure are, however a quick google search can provide the answers as to their background info, if one is so inclined. Most of the team sites also have a quick bio on each guy.

Your Wiccan voodoo curses aside, you're right on about execution & Schwartz. Don't really agree about Williams, I think he bears a lot of the responsibility simply by not showing up for work. Benjamin is another story entirely. With the addition of Coleman, the return of Gordon, and the emergence of TP, there's no room for him at the money that San Diego is paying him.

By far though, the biggest failure so far is passing on Wentz. The only way to salvage that is take a guy equal to or better in 2017, if that's even possible. But now it is about execution, and Hue, aside from a few boneheaded mistakes, has the young team playing at a fairly high level, with enthusiasm, for sixty minutes. The team is still experience light, and talent short, but the attitude is there and execution has improved.