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Practice squad minuimum pay is $6900 per season week. I suppose some might make over minumum, but I can't imagine many.

Not bad pay mind you, but just wanted to throw out a real number.

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Thanks for proving yet again that you can't read Shrek
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The Patriots signed John Hughes.

pro bowl?

hughes, mingo, and sheard at once

They aren't good enough for the Browns, but they are good enough for New England.

Interesting........

I get that, but these moves should lead one to question the ability of franchises to evaluate talent.

Not re-signing Sheard was a big mistake, cutting Hughes was a smaller mistake. Replacing his play with a 1st round pick was a big mistake, and on it goes. All of those probably caused by the constant coaching/system switcharoo.

But Mingo? He's been nowhere close in terms of production and we actually got a pick for him. I can live with that. Btw, after three games he has made more farts on the bench than plays on the field as a Patriot and he's a FA after this season.

i'd say not re-signing Sheard is WAY more of a mistake than not re-signing Schwartz, which has been the talk of the board (and rightfully so)

I got blasted for us not signing Sheard and us signing Kruger.

I was livid when we signed Kruger.

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Raiders cut FB Marcel Reece.

Whoa.

Why?

Age might've caught up now that he can't take PEDs.

They just extended another FB and it's hard to keep 2.

Think he was about to come off the suspended list and they had to figure out which 53 to keep.

He has familiarity with Hue, but our FB is actually looking decent this year. Doubt that the value-focused FO will look at a 31 y/o FB.

I thought that Hue might bite when i first read this, but then i thought about his age.

Malcom Johnson has actually started looking decent this year. He looked lost as a blocker last year.

yeah, Hue loved him back in the day ... but I bet we don't give him a look

Malcolm hasn't been terrible either

The defensive line has played well this year...dare I say beyond expectations. Hughes had not been a part of that so far this year.

Maybe we should see how he performs in NE and how the guys who replaced him here perform over the next several games before we reach for another reason to bash the FO.

I liked Hughes...we didn't miss him last Sunday...I don't think we will miss him this week either. Good luck to him except in week 5.

Again, I don't think Hughes fit the type of DE Horton wants in his attacking scheme and both Hughes and Horton knew what each other brought to the table back in 2013. Plus, Hughes will probably play tackle in a 43 Defense, which is what he was drafted for and played at when at UC.

I would have loved to see him go to Denver and reconnect with his college counterpart, Derek Wolfe. Although, it would have meant going back to 34 Defense.

I am so sick of these dumb comments. I praise the FO and coaching staff all the time. I have made numerous posts about sticking w/them. Yet, I get posts just like yours directed towards me for trying to be objective.

I realize that objectivity is a dirty word to guys like you, but I'm not going to change because you get your feelings hurt.

You suggested that the release of Hughes - and others with Sheard and Mingo in context - should leave one to question the decisions of the front office.

The D line has played well without Hughes. Hughes hasn't taken a snap yet for NE. Mingo is just not a football player - and we got a pick for him. Sheard was not re-signed by the previous regime.

Three virtual non-factors for the team and front office, yet we are supposed to use those non-factors to question the front office? Maybe I just misunderstood your point.

I never really thought about that, but it's a great point. Maybe he just wasn't a fit for us and Paea and G Wright were better fits. The D line has exceeded my expectations and that with two guys contributing who were not on the first 53. Excellent work by the FO to get those guys in here and contributing.

I try and evaluate each move based on its own merit. I have questioned some of their personnel moves. I have also supported other moves. I try and be objective. It's too early to make any summative evaluations.

With that said, I hope they get at least 3-4 years before anyone is fired.

Although, upon writing my previous post, I remembered that we have run a lot of 43 defenses onto the field....at least I think we have.

I'm with you. This group seems different...we are seeing young players produce and actually get better. I can't remember being so intrigued by the prospect of seeing what the young guys will do next.

Hughes doesn't fit, but Jamie Meder does?

No, I don't think Meder fits particularly well either at DE. But you can't cut everyone on the roster. Also, he's here to backup Shelton where I think he can be better than Hughes at that position.

I disagree that Hughes didn't fit.

I have a feeling that whatever was going on with Hughes earlier in training camp became an issue for the team. Nothing else makes sense .... with him going from starter, to being demoted, inactive, and then cut.

I'm not well-versed (no pun intended) enough to say either way...but...if he WAS a fit, why do you think they let him go?

I don't know. I was thinking that it might be for the reason that YTown just stated in the post before yours. I have ZERO proof of that. But, I really don't think it is due to scheme and I am hoping that it isn't poor talent evaluation.

I really don't know........

John was not a good fit for what we are trying to do on Defense. He is a good player in the right Scheme however. We won't miss him much on the field, but the guys will miss him as a team mate, and friend. The Cleveland Area will also miss him and all the time he put in visiting local Schools, and Hospitals, his work with The Boys Village Club, and Hughes Nation Foundation.

Good luck in New England bro. You will be missed around here by your friends.

Can you elaborate on that? Why wasn't he a good fit? He played w/Horton before and played well. What can't he do that guys like Meder can't at DE? I know you get some inside info, so I would like to hear why he was not a good fit for this scheme, especially considering he was a good fit the last time Horton was here.

I did see that he signed a $14.4 million dollar contract extension in March of 2015. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm...........

so when will Haden, Thomas, Bitonio, Tramon, Barnidge (I'm sure the FO was angry he was re-signed just before they took over), McCown, etc be traded/waived? ... gotta shed that cap

He is not a good fit because we want to get faster/quicker front seven than we have now. We signed Paea (smaller and quicker than Hughes)We signed Holmes who is also much smaller and quicker than Hughes. Gabe Wright are you seeing a pattern yet, he is also smaller and quicker than Hughes. We drafted Nassib also smaller and quicker.

Now you asked about Meder (who BTW is also lighter and quicker than Hughes) Jamie is also a better backup at NT, is better playing the run, and is still learning as this is his 3rd season VS Hughes 5th season. I am not bashing John in any way. I like the kid I really do, BUT he does not fit what the Browns are trying to do on defense. Don't be suprised to see Armonty Bryant spend some time at DE when he comes back in game 5

We never knew what was going on there. There were several pressers where reporters asked about why Hughes wasn't in camp and Hue always sidestepped the question (although he did seems somewhat heated in doing so.) I'm not aware that he ever returned to practices or team meetings.

It could have been anything from Hughes violating team rules, to health of a family member, to some form of sexual impropriety, the avenues of speculation are limitless, and it's all just speculation. We just don't know and nobody has said anything. It just seems to me that either Hughes or the Browns came to a point where a continued relationship was no longer an option.