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Navy investigates sailor who didn't salute national anthem
AUDREY McAVOY,Associated Press 13 hours ago


HONOLULU (AP) — The Navy has investigated the case of a sailor who didn't salute as the national anthem played during a recent morning flag-raising at Pearl Harbor.

U.S. Pacific Fleet spokesman Senior Chief Petty Officer Joel Cesar said Tuesday it's up to the sailor's commander whether she faces any punishment for not saluting on Sept. 19.

The sailor is Petty Officer 2nd Class Janaye Ervin, an intelligence specialist in the Navy Reserve. She was recently in Hawaii for about two weeks for an exercise.

Erwin is assigned to the Navy Operational Support Center at North Island, California. The command didn't immediately return a call seeking comment. Erwin didn't respond to a message sent to a Facebook account in her name. A phone number for her was not listed.

The sailor's failure to salute comes after San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick received national attention when he refused to stand for the anthem before NFL preseason games earlier this year. He cited racial injustice and police brutality among the reasons for his actions.

Since then, other athletes all over the U.S. have engaged in their own protests during the anthem.

The Navy's protocol handbook says sailors in uniform must salute during the anthem. They must also face the flag, or if a flag is not visible, sailors are required to face the direction of the music.

.. This has gone far enough .. I would like to see a discharge in her case ( I would make it dishonorable ) They wont ..

The USN is her employer, and it looks as if saluting the flag is in her job description. It's time for disciplinary action.

The nfl may not be able to discipline these buffoons, but the US Navy can... and imo, better.

How are we, the civilians, supposed to rely on her for whatever her job entails when she doesn't even support the country that basically engulfs her entire job? How is her unit or whatever supposed to do the same?

IMO, I too would like see a dishonorable discharge. Drop her off anywhere in the middle east or somewhere else.

Contradictory indeed. A sailor who will not salute the country she pledges to defend has no place in the Navy.

Kaepernick can carry on as all other athletes in their cause. But this is a different story.

Don't honor the country, fine. You don't belong in the forces intended to defend her!!

So stupid.

To me it seems immature.

It reminds me of being a teenager and wanting to "make a statement".

Maybe she was a teenager. A teenager who had less than decent parental influence/support.

Same thing with Kapucknik.

This is the Olympics, in the middle of his run, a true soldier...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PechzO5LASs

Oh, just read the two posts before mine.

Yes, absolutely a dishonorable discharge.

The armed forces is no place for a lack of discipline or bucking protocol.

Not there. Go home and do it. Or if you're a millionaire back-up NFL quarterback do it on TV.

Jesus, during a flag raising at Pearl Harbor no less.

A sailor.

I'd expect the Navy to hammer her. I do not expect a discharge; I expect a less rewarding punishment.

The Bill of Rights does not apply to her; only the UCMJ.
Stand by to stand by, lol!

Lieutenant DawgTalker First Class rockyhilldawg here.

I hereby charge Petty Officer 2nd Class Janaye Ervin of violating section 898, Article 92 of the UCMJ: “Failure to obey order or regulation”.

How does the Military Court of Popular DT Opinion rule?

So let me get this straight.

we have a massive problem with soldiers getting DUI's, sexual harassment and assault, popping hot on drug test, and a host of other problems.

All things that bring dishonor to not only the military, but to our country.

And a lot of those soldiers don't get kicked out of the military.

but none of y'all make a thread about that.

nah, this is what gets posted. nevermind that she had enough respect for her country/military to join in the first place, or go to training. none of that matters.

yes, she should be punished because it's required to salute the flag while in service.

but dishonorable discharge? the crap you guys post make me embarrassed to have served 8 years for people like y'all.

I'm done.

None of those things are done out of disrespect for the Nation, her Anthem or her Flag.

She openly dissed America.

she openly dissed the problems that plagues our country.

What you're saying is that she somehow dissed herself. ok.

and btw, those actions of DUI and such for soldiers ARE disrespectful to this country. period.

i'll be waiting for a thread about that. however, we all know there won't be one.

She dissed America!

blah blah blah

she will get an Article 15, do some extra duty, maybe get a rank reduction, and that will be that.

You didn't, either. Start with yourself if you think those are issues that require discussion.




1. Then you don't understand that when you served, you served for people to have the Right to think differently than you.
2. Never happen because the Navy will not set the precedent that if you don't salute you get out.
3. This ABSOLUTELY requires that the hammer falls hard on her.... however, under the current POTUS, I sincerely doubt that it will. There will be some Harumphs, and things will be directed so that it gets quietly brushed under the carpet. A disrespect for Flag & Country seems to be popular with him.

So............you're saying that she broke the law of code of conduct, and she will get what she has coming to her under the military code, right?

But, in a different thread, you're upset that Trump may not have paid any taxes last year. And I stated that if he broke the laws of the IRS, he should be punished under the laws........get what he deserves..........if he didn't break any tax laws, who cares what he paid? But you feel I'm wrong in that thread.


Just like with Kap. The nfl has no rules saying players must stand for the anthem. He hasn't gotten in trouble from the NFL.

Read in last weeks Sports Illustrated that the NBA DOES have a rule that players must stand for the anthem. It will be interesting to see what happens in NBA games.

that's the thing: i don't.

everybody know's there are problems. but what i find amusing is that somehow this is the only thing that brings dishonor to the military, but the others don't?

i didn't bring up the topic. the OP did, if you don't want me throwing my two cents into the discussion, ban me.

The Army has the same rule. that isn't Navy specific. it's military-wide. perhaps you missed the part where i said she should be punished.

but to get dishonorably discharged? please. people have done ungodly worse and haven't been kicked out. i don't want to hear it.

yea, people i served for have the right to think differently than myself. i also have the right to express my embarrassment.

or does freedom of speech only work one way? according to your post, i guess it does. i'll shut up and let them have their constitutional rights, as clearly i'm not allowed to express mine.

stop confusing yourself. nowhere in ANY of those post about Trump did i say he needed punishment.

I expressed that what he's done makes him unqualified to be president. thats two completely different things.

don't overthink it. you're making yourself look bad.

Dishonorable discharge? Did any of you even serve? Why would you want to ruin the rest of her life over this? smh

A dishonorable discharge is about the same as a felony when trying to get a job, a loan, or a place to live. It's even worse when disclosed in social circles.

The Navy can't let it slide but at most she deserves Captain's Mast and a demotion or some restriction.

Some of you good christians need to remember that cast the first stone bit. Colin Kaepernick has made a valid point rather y'all like it or not. If you don't like seeing these guys kneel during the anthem, DON'T WATCH or GO HOME!

Every American has a right to protest peacefully, just like you have a right to fill this board with a regular crapfest daily!

And 40, you have to be a knucklehead to write a knuckleheaded post!

Does the Navy still give 30 lashes for being bad?

lol! Sensitive, aren't we - are you SURE you weren't Air Force or Coast Guard??


Yes, you absolutely have your Right to express your embarrassment - however, I think that any actual feelings of embarrassment for serving over that is indicative of not fully embracing that you defended the Rights of others to say/do things you don't agree with (especially when you think it is stupid of them, lol!).

As for the Dishonorable part.... meh, you're over-reacting, for sure. It's just a comment on the internet and the person making it might not even be a veteran, so they may not have any context for that.

And yes, all branches have the same rule because all branches have the same rules because they all are subject to the UCMJ.

Unfortunately, no.
Keel-hauling is also frowned upon these days

Well then according to you I should go and buy some Cops as Pigs socks like your hero did.

Well, I did. IF he broke the tax laws. And I said IF he didn't break any tax laws, it's a non issue.

Yes, I agree. You ARE looking bad here.
What has he done that makes him unqualified? We're talking taxes here. What has he done that unqualifies himself? (be careful - we're talking about his taxes. If you wish to go off on a tangent, you'll look even worse)

I know you and I don't look anything alike, so you might want to clean the mirror you're looking in.

Thanks for saving me a post, Purp.

The coast guard is way more thug life than the Chair Force.

I've fully embraced others rights to say whatever the hell they please.

But that doesn't mean my passion for my comments should be turned down a notch because of it.

Your post made absolutely no sense. As always.

Further lack of understanding on your part!
Americans do not have the right to say whatever they please!

There are Liable Laws for slander and laws against saying something that can cause mass panic!

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Rack parties are for boots.

I'm sorry you couldn't understand it.

That's only because it takes too long on a carrier.

If I was her captain, I'd assign her to flag duty for a month, bust her a rank, and have her security clearance reevaluated. She obviously has a problem with the country. I might also assign her to mentor young kids, so they can have a better chance of succeeding in this country.

She deserves some restriction and maybe half a month's fine. Anything more would be overkill.

I didn't even catch that part. She's an Intelligence Specialist (which is sooooo ironic sounding right now), so she is carrying one hefty clearance.

That should get yanked in the blink of an eye, she should probably get busted a rank, and she should be sent to Deck Dept where she will be free to strike for any no-clearance-required rating.

It looks to be that she absolutely failed to grasp the basics of what is expected of her as a member of the US Navy. Maybe she should redo her basic training.

According to these, she lost her security clearance and was threatened with jail time.

http://bluelivesmatter.blue/u-s-navy-sailor-janaye-ervin-flag/

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-26...d-national-anth