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Looking at Baltimores schedule, they could easily finish 8-8 or worse..

I really despise guys who overemphasize stats. We have a poster on this board who picks and chooses stats while ignoring others to prove his point all the time. It's transparent and misleading.

The author of that article is probably right about Baltimore. They are not that talented, but Minni has an excellent defense that travels well. They are a disciplined team under Zimmer and stats don't tell the real story w/them.

But it's very concievable to think that they could easily fall off.

They've already lost AP and are probably locking Bradford in a padded room every night..

They have a VERY good defense, but the offense still has a lot to prove.

I can't believe you would say that when everybody knows your accuracy rate is only 42.6% on Tuesdays following a loss.

I actually agree with you... while they're not as talented as Denver's D last year, they are playing at a very high level and winning pretty much the same way. I posted it because it was relevant to the question and I had just seen it.

Sorry if it came across like I was replying to you directly. I was referring to the guy who wrote the article. I have no problem w/you posting the article. It's information. I just thought the guy's argument was slanted.

Sure, that's how I read it, no problem. I realized my posting it might seem like an endorsement.

I think Baltimore has lucked out playing 3 teams with a combined record of 1-8

Yeah, I don't think Baltimore is very talented. They are well-coached and know how to win. And yes, the schedule has been favorable.

I just don't think Minnesota can be judged by stats alone. They do have a ton of significant injuries that should hurt them, but Zimmer has them believing and their D is the real deal.

I'm kind of surprised with how lackluster Cincy has looked thus far. They need to win tomorrow big time

When I first watched the game, I thought Robertson struggled as well, but then I rewatched at least parts of it.

The reason I thought he struggled was primarily that touchdown to Devonta Freeman where Robertson had him in coverage, but Devonta almost waltzed right in. I also noticed him making a ton of tackles down the field, after huge gains.

What I didn't realize though, on a lot of those plays, is that he actually was picking up blown assignments from other players on the defense. The Freeman touchdown I mentioned was partially on him for not shedding a block, but the Falcons had a guard pull who got in Robertson's face instantly.

The Saints' LB corp gets little to no help from their DL. I know the stretch zone is designed to allow OL to get to the second level quickly, but man, the Saints DL just let them slip right by into the linebackers and secondary.

For what it's worth, Kruger looked like a complete nonfactor when I watched.

Cinci lost some players.

Marvin Jones and Sanu at WR. Both have been playing well and Jones had a monster game this past week against GB w/over 200 yds receiving.

Eifert has been inactive all year. He might come back this week or next. He is very important to their offense.

They lost A. Smith on the OL and I think they have a first year starter on it. I do know that their OL has been terrible this year.

Burfict has been out w/suspension. I think he might be returning this week. Not sure. Maybe next.

They have also had other injuries, including Jackson, their number 1 pick, Denard, Peerman, Ogbuehi and Fisher on the OL.

Their two losses have been to the Steelers and Denver. Denver is making everyone look bad and the steelers are a good team, despite their terrible showing at Philly.

Bad new for the Texans:

'Texans' J.J. Watt hurts back, could miss the rest of the season'

http://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la-sp-nfl-texans-watt-20160927-snap-story.html

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'NFL Rumors: Adrian Peterson wants to return to Vikings in time for NFL Playoffs?'

http://www.sportsrageous.com/nfl/nfl-rum...playoffs/48255/

It bums me out that Adrian Peterson is injured. I don't see the Vikings play too often, but he is usually a pleasure to watch run.

P.S. I sometimes wonder if we should have a notable injury list for around the league in pure football?

Wow. Losing Watt would be a HUGE loss for Houston.

changes their entire team. Now Clowney is double teamed, their CBs suffer, etc. Tough loss for a team that's not great to begin with.

That division is putrid though.

They laid an egg against New England, but they are a solid team. We do agree that this is a terrible loss for them.

I just don't know how much you can trust Brock o

Cincinnati also lost, *Ahem*, Hue Jackson.

This is interesting:

Through 3 games .. the Browns have 54 scored points. The Bengals have scored 56 points. The Ravens have scored 57 points. The Steelers have been the highest scoring AFCN team through the 1st 3 weeks. We do have a defensive score factors into our points scored, but we are still close to what the other teams in our division in scoring. The biggest difference between us and the other teams is in points allowed.


The Eagles have allowed 27 points so far. We scored 10 against them, in a game where we lost our starting QB.

The Ravens have allowed 44 points thus far. We scored 20 against them, with our backup QB, who could barely lift his left arm by the end of the game, while missing a makeble 52 yard FG try, and having an XP blocked.

The Dolphins have allowed 67 points so far. We scored 24 against them, with our 3rd string QB, and while missing our rookie WR who put up big numbers in week 2, and with our PK missing 3 FG.

I am shocked that we are doing as well as we have on offense. We are not the Joe Montana 49'ers .... of course ..... but we are doing better than the average offensive team, thus far, against the teams we have played. I think that is a testament to the work and ability of the offensive staff, and the head coach. I think that they have been creative in their offensive plans and play designs. I can't wait to see what the team looks like when we have Coleman and Gordon back on the field. Could be really fun.

*LOL* .. Ya ... It's Hue ...

Lets just FORGET

- Marvin Jones who had 200+ and 2 last week ..
- Muhammad Sanu who when healthy is doing outstanding in the ATL
- Tyler Eifert hasn't played a snap yet ..

And Cinci has played the Jets and Denvers D ..

But Ya ... Lets bring Hue into it ... *LOL* ...

So changing offensive coordinators has no effect on teams?

No

So..........you think losing Hue is more important than all of the guys I listed?

How is Cleveland's offense doing w/Hue? How many offensive TDs have they scored? Last week's pick 6 doesn't count as an offensive TD.

Btw---------the Bengals' O was very good BEFORE Hue. He was their DB coach and special teams assistant when Gruden was there.

I like Hue, but please stop w/the agenda-driven rhetoric.

I merely added to your comments. I did not somehow replace them, hence the "also".

I think that Hue was extremely creative with their offense last year, and yes, I do think that they miss him this year. The Bengals promoted Ken Zampese from QB coach to OC, and yes, I think there has been a drop off there. The other factors you listed are true as well, but I don't think that one automatically excludes the other.

JMHO, of course.

Better than I had expected. Especially since we've started 3 different QBs in 3 different games. 16th in total offense, 4th in rushing yards per game.. and these games have been close and competitive, it's not like we are racking up a ton of garbage time yards..

We are performing as a lot of offenses do that are loaded with young players.. we look good between the 20s but when the field shortens we have trouble getting it into the endzone..

The other plus is that we seem to look a little better every week despite our deficiencies...

the big unknown is Pryor.. that was fun to watch last week and I give the staff a ton of credit for making it happen but that is not the recipe for long term success.. not to mention it is going to wear that young man down quick..

Agreed about Pryor.

However, with Coleman back in a couple of weeks, and Gordon back (even if he's nothing more than a decoy), it should lighten the load on Pryor.

The best possible outcome is happening.
Pryor is showing that he cannot generally be covered 1-on-1, which means defenses will make sure the CB's have help.

Then, Gordon is coming back and he was looking like his 2013 self toward the end of pre-sesason. Having Pryor drawing so much attention with Gordon on the field should be enough to cause a DC to panic.... and then there will still be Coleman and Barnidge to account for.

Oh, yeah, and then there is our run game (I can't believe I actually was able to legitimately type that), which now is all but guaranteed to not have anyone playing up or stacking the box.

If our defense can figure out how to stop anyone other than themselves, this roster of young kids and nobodies could make things really interesting.

Exactly my point, and I left out Barnidge and the running game.

As you said, that surely has to give a DC pause. As in: Who the hell do we double? Can't double 2 of them, or their running game might kill us. Can't stack the box because their passing game will kill us.

Let's be real about if. With how TP is playing and how JG could play, wow. That combo, excluding Barnidge, Coleman and etc, is enough to keep defensive coordinators up all night.

The size and speed ratio of those two is just crazy. Who do you put your best corner on? How many times do you double team the other WR, and leave other targets open? Just how can you play tight when we have freaks that glide like the wind?

If you think about it, that's a crap ton of pressure for a defense to plan, account for and defend.

... then you throw in the surprisingly success at the ground and pound game, the Corey Colemans and Gary and dang... we clean up the right side of the line and pray JG can not be a moron, this offense can be extremely lethal and in way more ways than one. I know we're only three games in, but it's nice to see legit positive "potential" and believe in it for a change.

Here's a question: What are the chances of seeing a Terrelle Pryor touchdown pass to Josh Gordon this season?

We once saw Gordon run a pass attempt, albeit with a different staff, but I think you should definitely at least see an attempt..

Pryor on a reverse rolling to his right has so many options..

We're going to have to coach thsee kids up on no holding or blocking in the back..

I suspect that the chances of Gordon being involved in any pass plays this year are closing in on 0%.

unless the rehab center has a rec league

j/c

If Gordon failed a test, wouldn't the nfl announce it?

Maybe he received the dreaded phone call, and checked himself into rehab instead of peeing in the cup .... hoping that it would not be as bad as failing a test.

Who knows?

Not taking a test is the same thing as failing it.

Yeah, but maybe he thought that immediately going into rehab would go better for him than just failing a test. (and it might, who knows?)

what a cluster of a career he's had (and life for that matter) ... so much talent and opportunity