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Are you guys sure that, 2 years from now, not signing Schwartz at 7 million a year will be looked at as a tragic mistake?

If the decision, in that case, ended up being to go young, how can we get the youngins the reps to develop? I think they had two rooks that they believed would give us more than Schwartz with a little seasoning. This is one case where it actually is too early to tell.

I beefed at the FO for not working the draft in order to get all the first round talent that was available in the second round. Besides that, I don't have one legitimate complaint against any of their decisions or the way they have handled things -- With the possible exception of this kickergate thing.

But, I respect Mac's agenda. Keep em on their toes. I'm a PCTBS sufferer. Officially diagnosed. Its made me a punch drunk football fan. I'm all for digging out the truth, whatever it may be.

(Post and Current Traumatic Browns Syndrome)

The reason why the Eagles sold the farm to get him is because they saw there wasn't anyone on the horizon. They came off looking very dumb, and now, very smart.

Kizer and Watson may end being good, but how good? People are upset because the options look bleak.

Watson vs Jackson this week. Let's see.

*LOL* .. Not sure why people think Kizer's coming out .... I said it last week and the week before that ... HE'S NOT READY ...

And if u happend to watch there game on Saturday u would know that's a FACT ...

He may come out to get away from Kelly ... But he's not going to be a top 10 pick .. He's accuracy is INCONSISTENT at best ..

Am I the only one that this thread needs to do already? mac's weird obsession with Harvard is turning the crazy up to 11. I was hoping the last thread being locked would put an end to it.

Um... Cleveland Browns fan = masochist

People don't like to hear negatives about the Browns. My advice is to not click on it rather than to ask the refs to invoke censorship.

I am NOT a fan of censorship.

I said last week that this years crop isn't anyway near as ready as the previous two year's were.

Not even close.

I agree about Kizer's accuracy. His throws aren't consistent. However, he looks better to me than Bortles did.

Kizer and Watson are not on the same planet as Winston and Mariota were. Wentz may turn out better than those two. Possibly, a lot better.

But if your telling me that the #1 or #2 quarterback isn't going in the top ten, then I know a lot of guys who will gladly take a bet on it.

The way this has played out is one of the reasons why I don't mind Mac wailing. Although I have a vested interest in the FO and Hue being successful, I still like the thought of us getting a pound of flesh over this. Problem is, it isn't the Harvard boys who are to blame.

You all know that.

I just hope that after the constant missed kicks costing us games this FO will wake up to the importance to having a great field goal unit.

Yeah, we should definitely go out and find a kicker with experience..

Pro Bowl experience.

Maybe someone who's set records too..

Hopefully he's young, so he can grow with the team..

The front office was lookin at our old buddy alex tanny so the titans are now pay i him roster money. 30000 a week to not come here...

didnt that happen once before?

Right. I am not about to start searching other teams scouts, but in the past i have looked at ours. I don't see anything lacking. We have a load of people with scouting experience. Scouting is also a fairly entry level position. It's not like you start somewhere else to become a scout.

Do I think it will...YES. Do I know it for a fact..NO.



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pssst we let Schwartz sign with the Chiefs more than 50 days before we drafted those two Rookies.

Revision:

We were going into the draft willing to take two shots in order to get someone who they believed would soon become more productive than him, and be five years younger.

and hungryer

and less abused on the message board

and less expensive

Sorry

Olskool - If u have any friends that would like to wager on Kizer being a top 10 pick this year please PM me .. Maybe we can work something out ... And I'm not joking ...

Kizer should not be near as good as Mariotta or Watson ...

He's in his third year in college and he has only been starting for a year now ... He came in last year against Virginia (our 2nd maybe 3rd game of the year last year when Zaire went down) ..

So our 3rd game this year makes him a 1 year starter in college ..

ADD TO THAT in his first spring here Zaire was the starter so he got most of the reps in the spring and all the reps in the fall ..

LAST SPRING and THIS FALL there was a QB competition going on .. So he SPLIT REPS with Malik ..

He wasn't named the starter til after the first game .. So he's only taken the very IMPORTANT REPS that a QB needs to develop in season ...

I LOVE Kizer .. But he may not even be our starting QB very much longer .. Lucky for him (and me cause I do enjoy watching him play) we have a few cupcakes coming up ..

GO IRISH!!!!!

The only thing I'd say is you can't really compare draft classes..

Goff wasn't any where near Luck as a prospect. They were both drafted #1.

Tannehill went 8, Roethlisberger went 11.

Matt Barkley probably would of been drafted over RG3 had he came out that year, went in Round 4 the following (also had a very eh year)

Ignoring the fact that if Kessler is "average" he'd be probably the 2nd best QB we've had since 99..

Your "undervalued talent" comment almost caused my eyes to roll completely out of my head..

I just threw up in my mouth.

The two most important things you need in a QB is their ability to read a defense and the ability to make fast decisions. Both can be taught. Almost all QBs in the NFL can throw a decent pass so it's these two abilities that matter most.

We won't know what we have in Kessler for a while but this offensive line is sure going to teach him to get rid of that ball fast if he doesn't want to take a trip to the hospital.

Many people still want Bridgewater, and he has been exceedingly average thus far in his career. An average QB can win games, and even a lot of games, but it's the playoffs where a team really needs that guy who can take it to the next level.

Kind of odd that RG3 has been in the league for 4 years and McCown for what, 17? And nobody has seemed able to teach them yet.

I wanted Carr over Bridgwater, and most definitely over Manziel. I wanted Wentz over Goff and most definitely over trading the pick away. That's what I would've done. Me. Just some douche bag sitting at home not getting paid millions to make the right decision. This organization cannot, will not get out of its own way. Choose a draft scenario that guarantees to be another complete joke while setting the franchise back years, they have made it. Put the obvious choice squarely in front of them, gift wrapped with a bow, and they'll pick door number four. It's unbelievable. Yet it happens again, and again, and again. Doesn't matter who's in charge.

So if you're hopping Kessler is destined to excel in the playoffs, I'd be willing to bet he's either out of the league or holding a clipboard for Houston, Chicago or whoever in three years. Why? Because that's the way it goes.

What if he turns out to be another Brian Sipe? would you still want to draft another QB next year? I mean, I have doubts of course, but what if?

What if pigs sprouted wings? Would you book a flight on one?

Is there some kind of seatbelt?

Not until they had a few test flights.

Don't be a hater bro

Hell yeah man,, wouldn't you LOL

Seriously Pit, I have big doubts but what if?

I was just joking about the pigs.

I'm not a big proponent of "what if" style questions. Firstly, I do things like look at the odds of all third string QB's ever drafted and their rate of success. That transforms a what if into a slim to none kind of question. The odds of it happening are so low in fact I don't believe it's worthy of discussion.

Would it be impossible? Well, almost nothing is impossible. But just remember, Sipe had an excellent supporting cast and still never took us to a Super Bowl. So I would say that even if you had another Brian Sipe type QB, you never turn down a superb talent at QB if you don't have one.

I'm afraid we might of just done that. And as of now, we don't even have a Brian Sipe.

Spelling .. Oops .. Meant Winston .. Gracias ..



U seem to watch a lot of ND football .. U watch them all? ..

I think Kizer is inconsistent with his accuracy .. My brother thinks he'll never be accurate enough .. I however think he can be .. He throws the ball high ... That's more than likely mechanical .. I'm guessing he's not getting the slight bend at the hips backwards and that cause u to throw high .. But I have no clue ..

I don't think Watson is going to be a good pro .. Kizer has an NFL QB skill set when it comes to passing ..

Your thoughts on Kizer?





I agree with most of what u say .. I don't watch enough college football to compare him the the other QB'S ...

I think he has an NFL skill set ..

I would take the bet in a heartbeat .... He's not ready, I will be STUNNED if he comes back no matter how good he is ..

SOME ND kids are different .. He's one of them ..

If he has a good rest of the year .. We will find out if the rest of the QB class is as weak as u believe it is ..





I LOVE Kizer .. But he may not even be our starting QB very much longer .. Lucky for him (and me cause I do enjoy watching him play) we have a few cupcakes coming up ..



I'll take that bet ...

As for your research .. It's CORRECT .. Every situation is different though ...

IMO he will stay ... We'll see ...



Not saying that at all about Kizer .. NOT AT ALL .. Matter of fact .. I LOVE how he plays in the clutch ... To me that's his biggest asset ... He's CALM, COLL AND COLLECTED beyond his years .... When we got the ball back Saturday I was at ease ... That's when he shines .. Not this time ..

Nice convo bro ...

GO BRIRISH ,,,,

RG3 I don't think has really been taught that well. To me he might as well be a rookie even if he is not. Either way I think he is too slow in making decisions so will need to be in the same system for several years to speed things up. I really think he is more of a WCO rhythm passer that prefers to throw to the open zone instead of the open WR.

Josh can read a defense very well I think. His problem is that he has heroe syndrome where he think he has to win the game with each pass and so holds on too long waiting for someone to get open.

J/C
As a starting point, Kessler did a nice job. Now we get to see if he continues to make strides. No doubt there will be some bumps, but unless he just falls apart, I'd like to see him go the rest of the way. I'd like to know heading in to the next draft if he is a guy we can roll with or if we need to draft a QB at the top of the draft.

While he probably won't ever become a top NFL QB, I'd be good with a solid QB. You can win with that. The key is if he keep growing on the mental side, which some say is his strength. We know his physical tools are just average, so we know he isn't going to take over games with mad physical skills. He is going to have to win the mental game. If he can do that, he can be a starter a long time.

It will be fun to watch....at least I hope it will be fun.

I feel the same way about it Ballpeen.

That'd be nice for a change ...

j/c:

There are some things that drive me nuts. One of them is being discussed on this thread. It's a generic statement that is short-sighted and wrong.

You can coach guys to get a lot better at "reading defenses" pre-snap. Tendencies, down and distance, formations, time of the game, etc can be examined and give a qb an edge in making the right calls at the LOS.

However, reading coverages post-snap isn't taught. You can either do it or you can't. That's why you hear about certain QBs who hold the ball too long and others who throw w/anticipation. It's a processing skill rather than an accumulation of knowledge.

Btw---------RGIII had the Shannys, Gruden, and Hue. All of them are highly regarded qb and offensive minds.

No doubt. You can't teach vision after the snap. That is a processing skill either you have or you don't.

We aren't talking between smart and dumb....we are talking about processing information in fractions of a second faster.....like 1000th of a second faster. You see it or you don't. If you don't see it at the top end of that second, you probably missed the read and are just a tad late.

Exactly and right now he is operating under college Windows. He may have the right read but is hesitate to pull the trigger. Now I'm not worried about his intelligence but his skills. They are average but you can win with average, but i don't think you can win it all.

Gil Brandt ‏ @ Gil_Brandt 18 hrs ago

Most sacks allowed:
Remmers 3.5
Schwartz 3.5
Incognito 3
Reitz 3
Bulaga 3
Barksdale 3
Decker 3
J.Allen 2.5
Oher 2.5
A,Smith 2.5
Pasztor 2.5