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Car analogies eh?

Here's a better one. More accurate to Josh's situation.

You have a porsche. Last time you drove it, it was awesome. But the air leaked out of the tires. You can't drive it now. Not until it gets air in the tires.

You can't buy a compressor, but you have a 20% chance of the compressor people coming to your house someday to put in the tires, and bam, you have your awesome porsche back. Unless you need to buy new tires because it sat for 3 or 4 years on flats.

That car is worth $5 million in working condition. It's paid for, and you don't even need to take up garage space for it. It costs you nothing in fuel. It costs you nothing in insurance. It costs you nothing in storage. Ever. Unless, and until, it gets air in the tires.

Absolutely NO cost to you.


So, do you? A: wait till it might get air in the tires, and be a $5 million car? Or B: Take it to the junk yard.

no one is pretending. but how many actually do compared to those that don't?



also, Gordon, unlike most, gets caught.

jc, Josh's twitter posts from yesterday. Make of it what you will.

whats the over/under he enrolls in Texas A&M with manziel?

I'm too lazy to copy and paste anymore because it's really difficult on my mobile phone and all. Points made though, he's just a bad apple when we're clearing trying to bring in people passionate about the game of football and has a good reputation of being a good guy off the field. Look at all the accolades that people we've drafted have gotten throughout their lifetime.

Actually it's not accurate, because you failed to mention that the tires on the porchse have went flat and failed you MULTIPLE times, over and over again. It's sat, not doing ANYTHING for you, years and years again because there's a "problem" that cannot be fixed. His mindset is the problem.

Take the junk to the junk yard bro. Gordon is a junkie. That analogy is quite fitting.

Apparently the dream ride was overrated perhaps. If it is a dream car with high value despite only running random amounts of time, it was overvalued if it couldn't get you where you want to go. Reliable transportation is very desirable; regardless of worth, if it leaves you stranded, and does so more than once, it is worth much less. If 0 to 60 is an insanely low number, OK. But if it won't do it, and it has history of failing, it is a paperweight. If it were a racehorse that can't race, then it is glue factory or stud fees.

I do want what is best for Josh. But there are limits. If he leaves us, or when, he is just another player to beat. And if you won't stand by your guns, then the fallout of failure to maintain authority is a far-reaching price IMO.

also, Gordon, unlike most, gets caught.

Like you?

j/c:

People are still defending Josh and making excuses for him? LOL

The guy was out of football for about a year and half. Why did he not go to rehab during that time? Why did he wait until right before he was about to be reinstated?

I've been saying that you can't trust Josh Gordon for years. Some people still want to trust him. Fool's gold.

i just don't get the timing ... we are supposed to think he suddenly had an epiphany 4 days before being reinstated?

Exactly. He just didn't just recently develop this problem. Why didn't he go to rehab when he was out of football for a year and a half?

And people still defend this guy?

I drove back to Ohio from SC today and man, Stephen A. Smith really blasted Gordon. And you know what, everything he said was spot on. Not sure if you can google what he said on his show on MadDog Sports, but it is worth a listen if you can.

i never get caught. its too easy.

even still, it's like i told the guys on EE.

it doesn't matter what myself, or anybody feels about weed laws today.

at the end of the day, your state, if it isn't legal, says it's illegal (ohio just approved medical weed, so i'm good, btw).

but if i live in GA and they say it's illegal, and i smoke anyway, then it doesn't matter what i or anybody else feels about it.

at the end of the day, i knew what the law was, i took the risk. if i get caught, i have nobody to blame but myself.

the NFL has made it EXPLICITLY clear that there is no tolerance for smoking.

he failed drug test after drug test.

and EVEN still, Gordon played a big part in why the NFL raised the threshold on the pee test, remember that guys?

and he STILL can't get it together.

sorry but as a weed user, i don't feel bad for him. i wanted to smoke weed. the military says i can't. so guess what? i didn't.

When Hue said that the Browns are "moving on", and "closing this chapter" ..... that sure seems to be the end of Gordon's time here. I would assume that Gordon will probably be released as soon as his suspension ends.

What a waste of All Pro caliber talent.

Dang man, you got it going. Full disability. GI bill, and a medical marijuana card?

I don't have the card.

And full disability is nothing to be proud of. That means something went horribly wrong.

I dunno what this has to do with this thread, though. Please explain.

He won't. He can't even take responsibility for himself. He'll skip out on child suport, rarely if ever see his kid, and totally take the easy way out.... that's what he does.

Disability isn't fun. Being disabled sucks ass big time. I'm disabled. Back surgery went wrong. I spend 90% or more of my life in bed either reading, watching TV or on the computer. I play a lot of chess. There is nothing fun about being disabled. I'd LOVE to be working. I worked from the time I was 15. Alas, I'm a crippled old man before my time. Never envy being on disability. You wouldn't like it, believe me.

It's not really a waste because he was never here. He missed almost all of the Pettine era. Imagine how that might have turned out if meat were on the squad..... Add Johnny and meathead up and that crap cost a coaching staff their JOBS. If we are truly done with meathead I think Coach made an EXCELLENT decision. Don't let that moron take you down too coach! He's a loser. We drafted a bunch of young men and they need as many live snaps as we can get them if they are to grow into solid pros. Losing meat just helps that process!

Well none, We have to keep him forever and ever. The Browns can't exist without meathead. He IS the Cleveland Browns. We need to re-sign him right now. 10 years 60 million. 40 guaranteed. Can't let him go. We'd be doomed without meathead. He was SO effective last week. Couldn't have won without him..... oh wait. Last season was his best ever. *snicker*

He hasn't played in YEARS. Why the hell does he deserve such adoration? He's a loser.

This guy SCREWED Jim Brown. He SCREWED the FRANCHISE. He screwed his TEAMMATES and he screwed the FANS. But we can't ever get rid of him. He's the greatest wide receiver to NEVER PLAY THE GAME. LMAO

Pryor is 10 times the player meathead is. He is acutally PLAYING on Sunday. Imagine that. So he will produce for the Browns. He is a team player. Pryor, Coleman and the rest of our young WR's.... those are the guys I cheer for. They bust their ASS to be pros. They show up and do their jobs. I wouldn't trade anyone of them for meathead.

You did this to YTown, and now you're doing it to Swish. Remember what happened the last time one of our members went on a rant about someone being on disability?

As for Gordon? I wish him the best. I hope he finds a way to recover. Such a shame with the pure athletic talent.

Poor, poor Josh.

I think he has been enabled his entire life due to that "pure athletic talent."

I think he had a golden opportunity to have a great life after escaping the ghetto, but blew it because he lacks discipline.

I think his selfishness is evident and that he doesn't care enough about others, but instead, cares more about fulfilling his own urges and desires.

I think he has lied repeatedly about what he is doing w/his life.

I think people have been making excuses for him for a long, long time because of that "pure athletic talent."

I think he has made poor choices that were completely his own.

I think he needs to own those problems rather than have people act like he is some type of victim.

In all honesty, without football, how does he get his life back together?

He's a college drop out, that is a public joke.

I can't see people paying him money to be the face of anything, except maybe 100$ to show up at a party so that they could say "a former NFL Player is here"

Playing football, playing it well, and making a crap ton of money, seems like the logical choice here..

Stop doing stupid things and at the end of your career, you'll be in your mid 30s, have 10s of millions, and be able to do whatever you want..

Or, go work at a car dealership.. whatever..

car salesman

He's got some artistic talent.

I guess I didn't understand this statement of yours:

Here is a little tidbit that explains Hue's comments ....

Cleveland Browns have Terry Talkin' Josh Gordon, kickers, prospect hunting -- Terry Pluto (photos) | cleveland.com
http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf...art_river_index

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- It's very doubtful Josh Gordon will ever play for the Cleveland Browns, even if he somehow finds a way to pass enough NFL drug tests to be admitted back into the league.

I can't blame them for that. The Browns receiver is entering a rehabilitation facility. I heard that in the last few weeks, he was not as engaged with people around the facility. Suddenly, the Browns were worried about him.

Meanwhile, he was getting close to the end of his four-game suspension when something happened to trigger his decision to go into rehab. The Players Association works hard to keep this type of information private.

I do think this current front office/coaching staff has become even more frustrated and weary of playing the Waiting For Gordon game than the past few regimes. At Friday's press conference, Hue Jackson made it clear that he was "done talking" about Gordon.

As the coach said, "He's not going to be with us. We wish him well, but we're moving forward."

The new front office and coaching staff quietly cut Johnny Manziel last spring. It quietly traded Justin Gilbert to Pittsburgh, where he has yet to play a defensive snap.

My guess is Gordon will be gone at some point. In the meantime, he needs to work on his addiction problems. As I recently wrote, that starts with admitting he has a problem -- something he has refused to do in the past. This is at least his third trip to rehab.

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2016/09/medical_marijuana_advocates_wa.html

"Ohio's medical marijuana law sets up a framework for a highly regulated program where patients with about 20 qualifying medical conditions can buy and use marijuana if recommended by a licensed physician who is certified to do so.
The details, however, were left to three regulatory agencies to work out over the next year.

Meanwhile patients can could assert an "affirmative defense" against prosecution for using medical marijuana if they got their doctors' written permission.

The law grants doctors who recommend or discuss marijuana with patients immunity from civil and criminal litigation as well as board discipline. But it also requires doctors to become certified by the board before recommending marijuana. "

No one has a card. But why are you attacking a member of this community in a thread about Josh Gordon?

Honestly, it sucks that we got stuck with Josh Gordon. I hope Josh the best and I hope this is his rock bottom. Getting caught with a lb of marijuana at an airport 2 days before you're about to get your life back "on track"? Damn. The dude screwed up and it was completely on him being reckless. This might be the first time he sees this situation in the way we've seen it for years. Unfortunate. I hope he can come back to the Browns, but I doubt it.

Per Gordon and the arrest at the airport story.


Cleveland Police ‏@CLEpolice Sep 30 Cleveland, OH
Dispelling Rumors: @Browns @JOSH_GORDONXII was NOT arrested at a Cleveland Airport. @CLEpolice wish him well in his recovery.

j/c...

Browns tried to trade Josh Gordon as recently as last week, according to report
By NATE ULRICH Published: October 2, 2016

The Browns talked to other teams about trading Josh Gordon as recently as last week, ESPN reported Sunday, but those discussions came to a screeching halt when the troubled former All-Pro wide receiver announced Thursday he would enter inpatient rehabilitation.

The Browns ultimately plan to part with Gordon. On Sunday, he'll have been suspended for 31 of the past 36 games because of recurring violations of the NFL's substance-abuse policy.

Gordon's four-game suspension to begin this season had been scheduled to end Monday, but he obviously had a misstep or missteps that led him to rehab and derailed his comeback.

A source told Cleveland.com Gordon, 25, entered rehab because of an alcohol problem.

The Browns were seeking a first- or second-day draft pick for Gordon, according to ESPN, before any deal became unrealistic. The first, second and third rounds of the draft are held during its first two days. The new regime's trade talks regarding Gordon date back to this past summer.

Article

we knew he was done

Wow! You are knocking a guy because he is on disability? I seem to remember you leading the charge to have me banned when I asked YTown if he worked or not.

Wonder why you haven't been banned?

Nice post about the thread title. Way to go.

I have no control over who gets banned or not. Ask any ref. Hey, we've been over this before, haven't we?

Way to keep things on target, though.

Did you---or did you not----------lead the crusade to have me banned when I asked YTown whether he worked or not?

Yet, you come back and make fun of Swish for being on disability.

How ---------incredibly arch-like.

No, I don't think I did. Damn, I've been attacked for attacking ytown, and now you're accusing me of trying to get you banned for attacking ytown.

I can't keep up here.

Nice post about the thread title bud. If all else fails, go on the attack, right?

Second time I've seen it mentioned...since when do threads stay on topic around here? What did I miss during my retirement?

Seldom, if ever, do they stay on topic.

Problem is, vers gripes about it constantly, yet he's almost always doing it.

Getting somewhat back on topic .....

Man, I feel for the kid, because he obviously has no control over himself. He very well may never play football ever again.

Browns' Josh Gordon back on indefinite suspension and Roger Goodell will decide his fate | cleveland.com
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/10/josh_gordon_remains_on_browns.html

BEREA, Ohio — Josh Gordon, who was due to come off his four-game suspension Monday, but is back to being suspended indefinitely instead.

He'll remain suspended until further notice, and it will be up to the discretion of Commissioner Roger Goodell if and when to let him back in the NFL, a league spokesman told cleveland.com.

In the meantime, he'll remain on the Browns' reserve/suspended list, where he doesn't count against the roster and the Browns don't have to pay him.

Gordon had been conditionally reinstated by Goodell on July 25, with a four-game suspension to start the season to give him a chance to prove he could stay clean and sober.

Instead, Gordon, 25, left the team on Thursday and checked himself into inpatient rehab, meaning he likely violated the the terms of his recovery program again. A league source told cleveland.com that he's seeking help primarily for an alcohol problem.

The Browns will cut ties with him at some point, but there's no immediate need to do so. Regardless, Hue Jackson made it clear Thursday the Browns are done with the oft-suspended receiver, who's been banned for 31 of his last 36 games.

"What's best for our football team is that we move forward and move on,'' Jackson said. "He's not going to be with us and we wish him well, but we're moving forward. We're going to move on.

"Obviously Josh is not here and doing what he thinks he needs to for his life which we support 100 percent and after today, today is really the last Josh Gordon comment I want to make about that.''

With Gordon suspended indefinitely, he's likely out for at least the rest of this season. He'll then have to go through the formal process of petitioning Goodell to reinstate him again.

But it will not be in a Browns uniform. The Browns gave Gordon one last chance this season to adhere to his program and return to active status. When he was unable to do it, the Browns decided enough was enough.

Gordon had trimmed down and was gearing up for his return to the field. He had been working out in the fieldhouse during his four-game suspension while the Browns were practicing outside, and was rounding into game shape.

The return to indefinite suspension status comes a little more than a week after Gordon had a warrant out for his arrest for failing to submit to a paternity test. He finally did so, and the test revealed last week that he's the father of a one-year-old Maple Heights girl.

Gordon tweeted that he was under a lot of pressure and stress and needed to take this time out in his life.

At the Super Bowl in February, Goodell said he would need to be convinced that Gordon wouldn't be suspended again if he let him back in the league. He only made it back in on a conditional basis.

In a letter when he conditionally reinstated Gordon, Goodell wrote: "As we discussed at our (July 19) meeting, as Commissioner, I want nothing more than to see you turn your circumstances around and succeed.

"Countless others including your agent, teammates and coaches, Mr. Haslam and the leadership of the organization, the Program professionals and Jim Brown also have pledged to provide you with every resource at their disposal. But as you acknowledged, ultimately, your future is your responsibility. I have every belief that you can make the right choices, but it will be up to you to do so."

Now, Gordon is back to square one in his bid to convince Goodell that he deserves yet another chance.

Browns' Josh Gordon went to rehab for an alcohol problem, source says | cleveland.com
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/10/josh_gordon_went_to_rehab_for.html

ANDOVER, Md. — Browns receiver Josh Gordon checked himself into rehab for an alcohol problem, a league source told cleveland.com.

Gordon, 25, had been struggling with an addiction to alcohol and needed to take this extra step to get well, the source said.

The talented but troubled wideout left the Browns on Thursday and checked himself into inpatient rehab. It was at least the third time he's gone to rehab for his substance abuse problems.

On Friday, coach Hue Jackson made it clear the Browns are closing the chapter on him in Cleveland.

"What's best for our football team is that we move forward and move on,'' said coach Hue Jackson. "He's not going to be with us and we wish him well, but we're moving forward. We're going to move on.''

Gordon was charged with driving under the influence in 2014, and was suspended all of last season after being caught drinking alcohol on a plane with fellow receivers and and a former Browns assistant.

A source said the drinks on the plane were not the first time Gordon had been seen drinking alcohol during the 2014 season, despite the fact it was a violation of his program.

ESPN also reported Sunday morning the Browns were actively trying to trade Gordon last week before he decided to go to rehab. The report said the Browns were looking for a first- or second-round pick.

The Browns may have decided to trade him when it became evident that he was still struggling to adhere to his program.

Gordon, who was due to come off his four-game suspension on Monday, likely knew that NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell wasn't going to reinstate him, possibly because he had tested positive for alcohol.

Gordon was suspended for two games in 2013 for codeine, which he said was in his prescribed cough syrup.

He was suspended 10 games in 2014 for marijuana, and all of 2015 for violating terms of his program, specifically for drinking alcohol on the plane.

Gordon has steadfastly maintained that he's not addicted to marijuana. However, he was never specifically asked in a press conference if alcohol was a problem.

Apparently it is, according to the source. And Gordon knows he won't be able to resume his career until he gets the issue under control.

Regardless of the nature of his addiction, Jackson made it clear that the Browns are closing the door on the 2013 All-Pro once and for all.

Hue Jackson: 'We're moving on; we need to close that chapter''

"For me and for our team, for everybody involved, my goal is to make sure that we take care of the players that are here and the players that are practicing and working,'' he said. "I care about everybody. That's the seat I'm in, but at the same time, he's not here, so that's why we wished him well and want the best for him.

"The most important thing I can do is make sure that our football (players) that are here, the guys that are practicing the guys that are going to play, the guys that are in the meeting room and working hard to get ready for a game is that our focus and our attention to detail is right.

"So that's my main concern and I think what we need to do is just close that chapter right now. He's doing what he needs to do and we need to do what we need to do which is continue to move forward.''

In addition to his alcohol problem, Gordon is involved in a paternity suit and has other things in his personal life he needs to get straightened out. A DNA test last week revealed he's the father of a one-year-old Maple Heights girls, according to attorney Joe Stafford.

Gordon had ignored the DNA test for more than a year, Stafford said.

hmm, no weed?

In the words of Hue Jackson regarding JG: "I'm done with it."