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Because it's expected and proper to stand for your national anthem in a public setting. When I worked on base, it was not 'required' for me to stand and face the flag when they raised or lowered the colors, but I did so all the same. I even hauled one of my teens up by the collar and threatened to kick his butt when he refused to stand once. Even with the flaws here, I challenge anyone to find a better country.

I find it interesting people find 'social injustices' in everything. Why don't these 'protesters' go out and help those they determine to be oppressed? Kapernick is a great example. He had all sorts of privileges growing up being the star QB, had a rich family, got to go to college based on skills alone, and now makes lots of money. He should be the example of equality in this country.

he IS helping people. pay attention.

Raking in the money and feeding his ego...


Colin Kaepernick jersey sales have skyrocketed since he began his protest

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/colin-...an-his-protest/

Colin Kaepernick set to appear on the cover of Time magazine

http://www.espn.com/blog/san-francisco-4...f-time-magazine

She could face jail time...

Well, he's making more dollars so he can help more people, don't you know!

Just an attention getter from the get go and...it worked for him

It must have given him such a sense of pride to see a few of the Charlotte looters sportin his jersey as they ran out of the store with their arms loaded with stolen goods.

What a proud moment!!

Like him, or not .... agree wit him, or not ..... he has donated $1 million to charities earlier this month. He's not just talking, he is putting his money where his mouth is.

NOW THAT is a REAL man I can respect!!!

There are plenty of people that join the military because its just a job and have no special respect or loyalty to their country.

This person is not a private citizen. She represents the government and she has done so by choice. She is not following orders and is publicly defying her chain of command by committing an act that shows a lack of discipline and that could also endanger morale. So yes, it is a serious problem if it is not addressed. I think a discharge is a bit too severe for a one time thing but she definitely needs to be punished for it.

Also, no one is saying those other issues are not important but they have nothing to do with this particular topic. Free free to open another thread on any of those subjects you want to discuss if it means that much to you. Nothing wrong with that at all =) Don't get mad at others for simply discussing the topic on hand though. We are all free to discuss what we want to because of the service you and many others have provided. It's a good thing =)

Tell that to the PJs...

One more then...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8uiYELBajc

If they're at sea they can impose confinement and half rations.

Swish is right though. All these calls for discharging her are excessive. She'll get some kind of non-Judicial Punishment and it'll be done. It's not something in itself that would keep her from earning an Honorable Discharge at the end of her term of service.

quote by DevilDawg above:

"All these calls for discharging her are excessive. She'll get some kind of non-Judicial Punishment and it'll be done. It's not something in itself that would keep her from earning an Honorable Discharge at the end of her term of service."

Really.

So I guess she doesn't have to get off her keister for the national anthem any more. Great, maybe it will finally bring attention to all the cop killin' of innocent blacks.

What about the killing of innocent Whites, Asians and Latinos? Do they matter?

Why must it be only about Blacks?

If she cannot follow orders I would cancel her security clearance ans a reduction in rank.

Come on now, you and I already know that only BLM.

Was she ordered to stand for the Anthem? I don't see anything in the code of military justice, or the service oath, that says anything about the flag. Maybe I missed it in my reading, but I see that the service member swears to support, obey, and defend the Constitution, and obey the lawful orders of those over them, but nothing, specifically, about standing for the playing of the anthem.

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The Navy's protocol handbook says sailors in uniform must salute during the anthem. They must also face the flag, or if a flag is not visible, sailors are required to face the direction of the music.

Oops, didn;t see that.

Well, she could be in serious trouble then.

Yes really. She can choose to not get off her butt for the national anthem, but then that will invite more NJP... which if she continues from there could lead to increased punishments and if she took it far enough, possibly an "Other than Honorable" discharge.

When are we going to focus on the killing of innocent cops? That happens far more than innocent people being killed by cops.

Oh well.

But as far as this sailor goes, service members have done a lot worse and still not been discharged. It won't happen in this instance.

Maybe. I know he's giving money to a charity, but what does he tell these kids? Is he telling them that they will never get ahead because of the color of their skin, or does he tell them that anyone can make it in this country regardless of color, like him? It seems to me like he's bought in to the perpetual victim philosophy lately.

Well since I threw my tantrum and took a ban I see there have been no new calls for a Dishonorable Discharge.

Just and FYI: Before being banned Dawg Duty and I apologized to each other and patched it up. I would also like to apologize to any others I might have caught in the crosshairs. Some issues hit closer to home than others and this was one of them for me.

I absolutely believe she should get some form of punishment for breaking the rules here, but this is not worthy of a punishment that would ruin her life and career after the Navy.

I love this country and respect the idea of its government if not the reality of its government but my support for the men and women in uniform is for them as individuals and as brothers and sisters. This kind of protest does nothing to alter the Navy or it's ability to protect us. It is more of an egg on the face moment than anything damaging.

Of course an argument could be made that this is an order and breaking orders is detrimental to the functioning of the military.

Here is the portion of the handbook:

1205. Procedure during playing of National Anthem.

1. Whenever the National Anthem is played, all naval service personnel not in formation shall stand at attention and face the national ensign. In the event that the national ensign is not displayed, they shall face the source of the music. When covered, they shall come to the salute
at the first note of the anthem, and shall remain at the salute until the last note of the anthem. Persons in formation are brought to order arms or called to attention as appropriate. The formation commander shall face in the direction of the ensign or, in the absence of the ensign, shall face in the direction of the music and shall render the appropriate salute for the unit. Persons in formation participating in a ceremony shall, on command, follow the procedure prescribed for the ceremony. Persons in vehicles or in boats shall follow the procedure
prescribed in the following article for such persons during colors. Persons in civilian clothes shall comply with the rules and customs established for civilians.

2. The same marks of respect prescribed during the playing of the National Anthem shall be shown during the playing of a foreign national anthem.


This is from the USN "Social Usage and Protocol Handbook" and I'm not sure if that falls under the UCMJ or not, although it does seem like it is an order. She's is definitely going to receive some kind of discipline, we'll have to wait and see how far they go.

Good post. Peace is upon the land once again, well at least for the moment.

This pretty much sums it up ...

This was in Chicago in less than 24 hours ... It was from Friday afternoon til Sat morning in ONE CITY ... Pretty sure no one needs to be told witch city ...

Where is Kap and this sailor on this one .. A SCHOOL BUS DRIVER WAS GRAZED WITH A BULLET ...

NO BIGGIE it didn't include a cop ...

Sorry ... PLAIN AS DAY ...

Black Lives Matter unless there shot by ANOTHER BLACK MAN ...

2 dead, 17 others wounded in city shootings
17-year-old girl shot
A 17-year-old girl was fatally shot in the back of the head while traveling in a vehicle in the Back of the Yards neighborhood early Oct. 1, 2016, in Chicago. (John J. Kim, Chicago Tribune)
Deanese Williams-Harris, Grace Wong and Elvia MalagonContact Reporters
Chicago Tribune
A 31-year-old woman was driving around with a friend early Saturday when they came across a party in the 6800 block of South Emerald Avenue in the Englewood neighborhood on the South Side.

The party was inside an apartment in a three-story brick building on the corner of 68th Street and Emerald Avenue, she said. The gathering was so large that it spilled outside.

The woman, who did not want to be identified, decided to stop and had poured her friend a drink when she heard five gunshots.

"We lay our seat back in the car because it was that close," she said.


Three people at the party were wounded about 3:10 a.m. Saturday after an unknown offender began shooting, police said. A 25-year-old man was shot in the chest, and he was listed in critical condition at Stroger Hospital.

A 29-year-old man was shot in the leg, and a 24-year-old woman was shot in the wrist. Both were taken to St. Bernard Hospital, where they were listed in good condition.

They were among the 19 people who were wounded, including two fatally, since Friday afternoon in separate city shootings. The wounded also included a school bus driver who was grazed by a bullet Friday.

Outside the building where the triple shooting took place Sukeem Smith and others watched as officers searched the first floor of the building.

The party was meant to celebrate the birthdays of a few people, Smith said.

Forgot the link ...

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-shootings-violence-20160930-story.html

It's not if there in uniform .. It's if there covered ... U never salute uncovered ..

Well that is the point of a protest, right? To draw attention to a cause. Like it or not it's within our constitutional rights to peacefully protest our government.

Don't like it?.... Then get the hell out of my country.

You must be bored today! Have a good one!

He He Not really. I'm tired of all the so called American patriots that are telling people to stand for the NA or get out of their country. I fought for this country in the military to keep the freedoms we have. Whether it's the freedom to bare arms or the freedom to peacefully protest against the govt on issues that effect us all it's all pretty much the same. It's the freedom to do these things is what i fought for.

But thanks for your concern. You have good one as well.