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A year ago I begged for us to get Bradford to this day there are fans on this board who think Bradford was an injury waiting to happen and that he sucks. Well who is willing to man up now?

Mark my words folks with Bradford manning the helm for the Browns we talking PO without him we are talking about the #1 pick in the draft....

Time for some crow eating around here if you asked me...

The good thing is that there is a good chance that either he or Teddy will be available next year and we won't have to draft one of the unimpressive qbs from this upcoming draft class.

Edit, before I make my original post, did Bradford play a full season last year?

I thought that Farmer tried to get him here, and he refused to be traded to Cleveland.

I think he refused to sign an extension as part of the trade and we'd only have him for one year. That's my recollection but I could be wrong.

It's actually been 3 games not 4 ...

I'm glad to see him playing well so far .. He's getting rid of the ball quick as all get out .. HUGE CHANGE for him .. He's always been a very accurate QB ...

I wonder if he will turn out to be Jim Plunkett .. He stunk and was injured every year with the Pats .. Went to the Faiders and turned into the QB most thought he would out of college .. Was very happy for him when he won the SB ..

No clue how this will turn out for Bradford .. HOPEFULLY he can stay healthy and we will see who he is ...

I'll be rooting for him ... And the Vikes ... Love their staff and of course they have Hayseed .. Best safety in football ..

Before next year Kessler may prove he's a starter. Just saying.

Let's wait a few more games, Bradford is an injury waiting to happen. I'm not wishing it on him, but the guy is made of moist newspaper.

2013 - played 7 games
2014 - played 0 games
2015 - played 14 games

That's 21 of 48 in the past three seasons (25 of 52 if you count this year).

Zimmer actally interviewed for the Brown HC job 5 year ago
I think but the Browns brillant FO as they do with franchise QBs passed on him.
Minnesota made some nice under the radar moves in the off season
getting Andre Smith was one.
of course the Browns failed to look his way after losing Schwartz.

That's the spirit!

He played 14 games last season, so I did recall him staying healthy - but I didn't imagine it was a 14-game long kind of healthy.

He looks good as a Viking too. There's no sign of any issues with his knees when he takes the snap and etc.

Given his history though, I still cannot give him the benefit of the doubt.

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And thanks for the correction Diam, only three games. What I will admit to, if Bradford can stay healthy - he's an accurate passer and well-capable of making any and all throws. Pretty much what many others have stated, but it's always an issue with the health.

I am not positive, but that sounds correct.

Just for clarification. Minni's OL is improved from last year, but they are still not as good as ours. Well, at least not as good as ours when Erving is out.

Also, it wasn't really addressed by you two guys, but I do get tired of reading about waiting for awhile before we talk about things.

It's a football message board. We are all just a bunch of dummies talking football. Nothing will be changed because we talk about it. LOL

Talk about it. What's the big deal? If something changes, we talk about that.

It's like we have to wait three years before we can talk about things and then we can't talk about them because it's in the past.

Again, it's a football message board. Talk football and stop w/the qualifications. Please?

I'll be more interested to weigh in once he finishes the year without ending up on hurt next to IR3

Inevitable.

Vers, I am not looking to pick a fight, but haven't you learned not to pronounce all quarterbacks in a given draft unworthy? After your Wentz mea culpa, I thought you would be more charitable to the signal callers coming out in 2017!

I am not claiming to be an expert, but I think I have a right to express my opinion.

And over the years, who has been right more than me on qbs?

Dude is still an injury waiting to happen and I think is at best an above average qb... Way overpaid for his career... He's playing well on a very good overall all team... He'd be on IR already if he was here... He's not a long term solution..

I was so upset about not taking Zimmer. He was undoubtedly my favorite head coaching candidate. The Bengals defense would have followed him through the gates of hell. He kept a LOT of bad personalities in check down here, and fostered a defense that overachieved and stayed focused and motivated.

Let me get this right, you want people that didn't want Bradford for whatever reason, to eat crow because you THINK they (vikings) will make the playoffs?

Wake me when they make it.

That's the game people play to try to dissuade anyone from conversing about the current state of the team. Since we seem to rarely sign our own after four years, that allows you one year out of four to discuss the talent we drafted. If they're even still here after three years.

Idk, it's like talking about the upcoming draft during preseason. It's a matter of jumping the gun too soon with some topics. Need a bigger sample size to form a legit conclusion, ya know?

The actual reason for me putting this up was to show people that Bradford was a great option for this club. Everyone was to scared to take a chance on a player with 2 ACL but failed to realize we suck without him and would be a playoff caliber team with him.

And still there are those that think that he isn't any better then RG3 and those are the folks that are even more lost. Bradford was and is a top flight NFL QB but you would hardly know it if you read this thread.

Then there is the question why would the Vikings give up a 1st for him? That answer is easy to answer if you understand what it takes to win in the NFL. Then the answer as to why the Vikings gave up what they did becomes easy.

The contract thing is still being over blown win with Bradford pay him market value and he will sign.

The injury thing was a concern but thats why the price was affordable and well worth the risk.

Lets face it folks most of you were wrong getting Brdaford would have changed the fortunes of this team and most of you were to busy worrying about protecting your losing ways to take a chance on winning. Thank God most of you have NO say ion the way this team is run because it would look just like the dumpster fire we see year in year out.

Sure lets take a chance on RG3 who can't read a defense to save his life but pass up the real deal. SMH

Alright bone. I was one of the guys who didn't want us to trade for--and pay big money to--Bradford.

I can own up to that w/no problem. I always admit it when I'm wrong.

However, I'm not so sure I am wrong in this case.

He is playing well, but considering the price it would have cost us, I am not as positive as you are that I was wrong.

Vers, you have an OBLIGATION to express your informed and entertaining opinions on this board. I was just kidding around.
It does fascinate me how one year the "best" QB in the draft can be Geno Smith, and the next year three or four plus starters might come out. I am not going to start looking too closely at guys until later in the season, but I want a 6-5 prototype with a big arm and an unquenchable thirst for game film.

With four-game suspension over, Johnny Manziel can sign with team

Former Cleveland Browns quarterback Johnny Manziel has had his suspension officially lifted by the NFL and is now eligible to sign with any team, a league source told ESPN's Field Yates.

The suspension technically ended Tuesday.

In June, the NFL suspended Manziel for the first four games of the 2016 season, reportedly for violating the league's substance abuse policy.

The Browns waived Manziel in March, after an alleged domestic incident with his ex-girlfriend.

A Texas A&M spokesperson said last month that Manziel, the 2012 Heisman Trophy winner for the Aggies, is taking classes at the university this semester.

Former Buffalo Bills running back Karlos Williams (substance abuse) and linebacker Manny Lawson (personal conduct) also had their four- and two-game suspensions, respectively, officially lifted Tuesday, the source told Yates.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17724542/johnny-manziel-four-game-suspension-now-sign-team

You'd be a bloody moron to even bring him in for a tryout. That alone would stir up a brutal media circus, one that teams probably don't want to deal with with the season already started.

I'd be shocked if his number gets called. Last I saw of him, he looked like he lost even more weight to the point where his health was extremely questionable.

He's a loser.

Oh Mac you miss by a mile on this one.

1st Mack and Swartz resign because they have a chance to win with Bradford. In fact we can go out and build around Bradford and name the guy we are building around now RG I can't read a defense and nobody outside the idiot Browns wants me?

You want to take this years roster and put it around Bradford, but thats not what happens.

This organization and yes it fans are scared to take a QB and because of that we will always suck. Wentz is yet another perfect example.

For years Mac I have said draft QB's if you fail then do it again and again until you find the guy. The Browns answer back with RG3, and everyone in the league outside of Cleveland laughs their collective asses off because they long ago figured out who he is and they won't go near him ith a ten foot pole.

I could go on and on Mac but you get where this goes. You want a franchise QB (which is a requirement) you don't address the issue by taking on a reclamation project you attack it head on and you stick with attacking it head on until you fix it.

The hardest thing to do is get a franchise QB but the brain trusts here have convinced fans that you build the team and the franchise QB through magic will suddenly appear.

Lets look at the Philly trade who won that deal. It ain't even close is it?

You were dead set against Bradford Vers but at least you have balls enough to step forward and say so. I have always respected that about you your not afraid to be wrong and that's what it takes to bring the kind of change that will get this team to a better place.

Bradford on this team changes everything from this past off season to our record right now as we speak.

1) Bradford still has to make it through the season and the Vikings o-line is worse than ours.

2) See #1

I expect an offer from the Vikings of Teddy Bridgewater for Joe Thomas to be coming very soon if it hasn't already been offered.

That's certainly a thought.

It certainly is.
But do we really think we'd trade an asset like JT for a guy whose career may be over?

There is a 0% chance of this happening.

I don't see it a possibility either. Who even knows the type of player Teddy will be *if* he recovers. We know the type of player JT is, and nothing more needs said about him.

I mean, yeah, maybe an offer is made but it likely falls on deaf ears.

I don't know, they desperately need a left tackle to protect the QB that they traded away next year's first rounder for.

I'm not saying that we'll shop JT, but we will get offers and I think this is one of them.

I expect Carolina and Seattle to be making offers as well.

Why would the Browns trade for a QB who suffered major injury damage, and who may not be ready for the start of next year?

I never said that we would take the offer.

Bradford is doing what is being asked of him very well, but what is being asked of him is not a lot. The Vikes are like 25th in passing attempts per game and middle of the road in scoring.. they may have the best defense in the NFL.. they are a +10 in turnovers after 4 games.. that is insane.

Bradford is doing well as a game manager and he's not turning the ball over.. but to be honest, I'm not seeing him do a lot that any QB who has been in the league 4 or 5 years shouldn't be able to do.

Yes, but stats are never a tell-all.

He is stretching the field a bit and the Vikings have undergone some very significant injuries.

I think he is playing well above most people's expectations.