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Look, bottom line is this chick messed up big time. I'm not saying she belongs in the kitchen, but I'm not saying she doesn't, either. She's put the 'Female NFL official' movement back 30 years.
Or two years.

Nice to see you around, Michelle!

A couple of comments:


--I think Diam's comments sounded sexist, so I get where you are coming from.

--Regarding the female ref. Perhaps we should consider the following:

--her sex has nothing to do w/what happened.

--she isn't a crappy referee for missing one call.

--that her body of work isn't as bad as some might suggest.

Did we get hosed or what? I thought Duke had it when he stood up with it. Did he snatch a dead ball outta there? Refs, these couple calls were insane. Not very balanced.
Must have been looking to hang our laundry out on us.

Sure sign Cousins needed help?

What a turn this thread took.

I don't see any post that says that the ref made the wrong call because the ref is female. That simply wasn't written. I think your looking to be offended if that's your take away from this. It doesn't matter what sex the official was who made the bad call it was a bad call, likewise, given that the most readily and identifiably way to reference said official is to call the ref "she", why would that be assumed to be sexist?

I don't see anywhere that anyone thinks the outcome of the game was determined on this bad call. I don't see anyone saying this only happened because we are the browns, i see people upset that such an erroneous call could be made in a professional sport. Suggesting no-one should ever comment on bad officiating is a baffling perspective.

I also see some bs posturing with totally non football take comments from the poster who likes to call that all the time. Gotta love this board huh.

Pfffttt.........coming from the Agenda King!


Btw, where is Gordon?

What's Gordon's connection to this thread? .... but in answer to your Q - he's in rehab, didn't you read the news?? Of course you did. I'll repeat what I said when the news came out - I wish him the best. I hope he gets his life straight and his demons under control. What's funny is the fans who are less concerned with a failed human being and want to either hate on him and call him names like meathead - or who want to use him as a way to crow and say "I told you so, I told you so".... that's really rather sad and pathetic if you ask me. Which you did.

As for agenda - there isn't a post you don't write or a compliment you don't give - or an apology you don't offer - that doesn't have an agenda behind it that is hidden from face value.

Exactly what does that have to do with the thread, thread title, or anything in the thread.

Dude, you don't realize you do exactly what you constantly preach against.

Here we go. What did his post have to do w/the thread other than to hurl insults at me and another poster?

This is the type of thread that makes me think this board sucks.

I'm done. Go ahead and keep talking nonsense.

Why don't YOU keep on track? What did YOUR post have to do with the topic? See, you have no comprehension of how 2 faced you are. You call out others for something that you do yourself.

My post stated that the ref was female and the easiest way to identify her was to use "she" - she was the only female ref on the field. "she" isn't sexist.

I also expressed an opinion that talking about outstandingly bad calls in any professional sport is something we should all do and it is completely different than crying and blaming refs for a win or a loss.

While we are talking about football takes - enlighten me as to how this fits:

"Brown's fans doing what they do best:" ....

That was the entirety of your first post on this thread.

Seriously! Real standup guy.. Why say anything at all publicly?
Will Compton
Will Compton‏ @_willcompton

Must be an extra ball Bc I had a ball too..

I wasn't trying to say that's what was said. It all went in a circle, though, and it's pretty much what was implied.



I'm not sure where you guys are getting that it bothers me to use the pronoun "she". Not one clue where I mentioned it.



Please point out where I said that, too. Oh right, I didn't. Even I said it was a crappy call, just in case you missed it.

Here's the thing...let's just move on; I'm finished with this part of the conversation. I've been around here long enough to know what's going on and how things work. It's all good...you guys carry on. Have a good one!

***Post removed because I misread the one Mox posted.

I'm sorry but what's true? That ther were two balls? That he recovered the ball? Because both of those are crap... It's true the ref made the wrong call and made a decision on recovery way too fast and in my opinion had no idea where the ball was because she never looked at it after blowing the whistle... Unfortunately aft making a bad call they were unable to overturn it which again, just my opinion, but I think is crap because Johnson clearly recovered within a split second

LOL, I misread...will try to fix.

They really need to find a way to cut down on the human error element of officiating. I think it's about time to put some sort of sensors in the ball. The initial call doesn't bother me that much, but how does the booth not see the football in Duke's hands when they supposedly reviewed it?

It shouldn't be that hard to set up a system that triangulates/pinpoints the ball on the field for spots on first down and breaking the plane on TD situations. Would also help the replay crew with knowing where to look on fumbles.

Might be moderately expensive to set up initially, but the NFL could afford it easily, and "integrity" of the league is supposedly important.

No worries... I read yours a couple times but couldn't figure out what you meant

That's because it made no sense. Heh

Blown call.. ah well.. moving on to the next game.

What can be done about this?

I don't care about this one game but we all know this is far from the first time the Browns have been cheated.

I want to know what to do to prevent it from happening when the games count!

It was like the Jedi mind trick... I didn't even notice Duke actually had the ball until the next day, most of us were looking in the pile to see who recovered it and the ball wasn't even there. How'd they do that?!? Crazy.

There was the worst taunting call in NFL history and now this. It's sickening.

There's nothing that can be done about it, they've been getting screwed since bottlegate and it will continue to happen. The only thing they can do is dominate opponents and make the refs a non-factor.

You should not have to. That is why they are out there.

Refs are bad in every sport. Don't fumble the ball and you don't have to rely on the reds making the right call.

Are you saying refs are communists?

I wish. We'd at least be able to go .500 in that case.

Nice.

Blandino acknowledges "bad visual" in Browns-Redskins fumble


Kevin SeifertNFL Nation


NFL senior vice president Dean Blandino acknowledged Tuesday the "bad visual" of a controversial fumble ruling in a Week 4 game between the Cleveland Browns and Washington Redskins. But in an appearance on the NFL Network, Blandino said line judge Sarah Thomas awarded possession to the Redskins long before Browns running back Duke Johnson Jr. emerged from the pile with the ball.

Blandino did not directly answer a question about whether Thomas got the call right, saying: "We don't have evidence [on replay] that Washington recovered it or Cleveland recovered it, so we have to go with what the official called on the field." The play occurred with nine minutes, 41 seconds remaining in the Redskins' eventual 31-20 victory. Screen grabs circulated around the Internet and social media showed Thomas pulling players off the pile -- presumably looking for the ball -- while Johnson stood next to her, holding it high above her head. But Blandino said that's not what happened. According to Blandino, Thomas saw a Redskins player recover the ball before Johnson "pulled it away."

"We're not digging at that point [when Johnson had the ball]," Blandino said. "What we're doing is signaling to the players that possession has been established so that they don't continue to fight, and we do that for player safety reasons." The official box score credited Redskins linebacker Will Compton with the recovery. There is no evidence of that on replays of the broadcast, nor was there on any angle reviewed by officials after the play. The NFL replay system requires "clear and obvious" evidence of a mistake to overturn a call.

"There is never an angle that shows Johnson recovering the football on the ground," Blandino said, "and the player coming out of the pile with it is not sufficient evidence, because we all know that the ball can change hands in the pile."

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17716...s-fumble-ruling

Any comments from Duke himself on what happened?

If I can clearly see Duke reach in and grab the ball before anyone secures it. Why cant they? BS

Outstanding football post again Vers. C'mon man.

Look at this forum. This thread has way more replies than any other thread, including the Post Game Thoughts thread........you know, the thread where you can talk about every single aspect of the game.

I think it was worthy of discussion, but once it's discussed it might be time to move on. But no, we need 150+ replies of how picked-on we are.

That's not football talk. It's whining and it embarrasses me as a Brown's fan.

Man up!

Thanks for once again policing the board for what people can or cannot discuss.

HINT: If you don't like it, don't read it.

They're just lucky this happened to the Browns on a 1pm game.

Imagine this exact scenario happening to say, the Packers, on Sunday Night Football?

The posting of a video - and only THAT - is also not football talk.

It was a pretty awful call Vers...epic-ly awful...maybe the worst I've ever seen. It's no surprise it's gotten the legs that it has. It wasn't a holding or PI call that was missed - or quickly/regularly noticed.

We get hosed quite regularly. Many bad teams do. Our "rep" follows us onto the field. It won't change until we start to show better on the field. There have been two games now - out of four - where the officiating has gotten national attention from various pundits.

My issue remains this: What made that official think Wash had the ball? (Somewhat rhetorical question as Diam actually explained what exactly happened...although with a tinge of insensitivity.) You don't want to read it anymore, but it's mind-boggling. How did the replay officials miss it as well?

When an official is in doubt as to a call, they shouldn't guess...but sometimes they do or must make a call. IMO, our "rep" results in officials being biased against the bad team - us in this case.

Watch a Steeler/Raven/Patriots game. Darn near EVERY close call made on the field - that appears to have gone either way - favors them and must be challenged to be over-turned. Not that the actual call is terrible - or even bad - but that the close ones regularly fall in their favor at first call. Those plays - when challenged - regularly do not show enough evidence to be over-turned. However, had the on-filed call gone the other way, the evidence would still/also be insufficient enough to warrant an over-rule.

When your team is so often on the short end of that stick, it's easy to see why we "whine" about bad calls so much.

I didn't intend the video to be football talk. I talk plenty of football on here. Much more so than most posters.

I consider the sheer volume of replies on this thread moving beyond football talk into the realm of whining.

Now, another dude had a very valid point. He said something like.."if you don't like it, don't read it."

That's a good point. I'll stay off the thread from here on out.

Whine on, fellas.

I saw the guy defending the call of the ref.. It kind of pissed me off even more. Just admit it was a bad call. We're human. We all make mistakes. Its obvious that she had no idea who had the ball.

What should embarrass you as a Browns fan is how the NFL shoves it up our backside year, after year, after year, and we sit back and take it like a little witch.

Wait, you actually think the NFL is purposely against the team? If so, why even give time to a sport that is rigged?