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The VP debates went how I expected. People are just now realizing how strong a VP Pence is. However, I don't know how the Pence and Trump marriage would work. They are COMPLETE opposites in every possible way. They both believe in trickle down economics, but that's it. Pence reminds me of Cruz, but not as condescending. However, there were certain questions Pence completely dodged.


Hillary just wants someone she can control and help her win Virginia. Kaine was borderline awkward at times last night. The one good thing he did was bring to the surface the reality that I have no idea how Pence or anybody deals with Trump. He also did a good job getting Hillarys plans across. He detailed specifically what they want to do. Kaine should have simply stuck with that instead of attacking Trump.


The moderator wasn't very good last night. She kept trying to talk over them. How is it that Lester had better control over Trump and Hillary, but the mod last night lost completely control over 2 very passive and timid people?

I believe Kaine is going to need a new binky, and blanket before they role him out in his stroller for the next debate.

Lucky for us that was the only debate for the JV team.

I just hope erection day gets here soon.

We need a strong moderator for the next debate... There was a meme on Facebook about judge Judy moderating... Seriously how awesome would that be!

Damn.


Old age really is brutal.

Why yes it is

That's how to stick up for yourself.

What else is new. Republicans have been the biggest obstructionists since Obama took office. They forgot one thing, WE THE PEOPLE ELECTED HIM.

For me, that's an obligation to work with, not against the President regardless of your personal feelings about the man.

This hurts me deeply. Most of my voting life, I've come down on the side of Republicans. I feel as if the party has left me, not the other way around...

j/c:

Looks like people are judging the debate by which party they prefer rather than what really went down.

I am neither a Democrat or a Republican. I grew up a Democrat and was one for most of my life. In the last decade or so, I have just been a spectator and tried to evaluate each candidate on his/her own merits and left out any party affiliation. I do lean more to the left than the right on many issues, but really try to vote for the person who will do the most good and/or the least harm.

I watched a good bit of the debate and I preferred Pence by far. In fact, I wish it was he rather than Trump who was a candidate for the highest office in the land.

I am one of those gosh darn "bleeding heart liberals" and I said at least twice that Kaine was the weaker of the two. However, I don't think Pence was particularly good either. He was just more reserved, polished and arguably professional of the two. Both, however were told to attack the Presidential nominees on: "stupid things Trump has said" and "emails and middle east security" etc. This actually led to a lack of debate as they didn't actually discuss anything of real importance nor lay out plans. They just barked, defended and accused one another's boss.

My guess is the Clinton camp will try to reel Kaine in before the next one. I don't think his nomination will change decided minds but, it may cause some of the undecided folks to think twice.

I do find it odd when Trump has campaigned about being the outsider and voting against the system yet, Pence was as rigid and pretty much as "politician-like" as they come.

I will say once more that, I totally respect anybody's faith but, I honestly do not think faith or lack of faith has anything to do with being President or a judge of character. We honor separation of church and state in the US and faith is a private matter that has no bearing in who is elected. The question at the end about "how important faith is" should not have been asked. It is irrelevant to the job.

I would love to have Tavis Smiley moderate the next debate, however, his biases would most likely get in the way. He has back bone though and could push to get questions answered and keep things under control. Thinking of that, so could Piers Morgan, but he too has biases and I don't believe he is a US citizen so probably inappropriate to have him moderating a Pres debate.

Where did I call anyone a "bleeding heart liberal?"

I could have sworn I lean further to the left than the right.

Oh this will be fun-

http://labs.thebureauinvestigates.com/fake-news-and-false-flags/

The Pentagon gave a controversial UK PR firm over half a billion dollars to run a top secret propaganda programme in Iraq, the Bureau of Investigative Journalism can reveal.

Bell Pottinger’s output included short TV segments made in the style of Arabic news networks and fake insurgent videos which could be used to track the people who watched them, according to a former employee.

The agency’s staff worked alongside high-ranking US military officers in their Baghdad Camp Victory headquarters as the insurgency raged outside.

Bell Pottinger's former chairman Lord Tim Bell confirmed to the Sunday Times, which worked with the Bureau on this story, that his firm had worked on a “covert” military operation “covered by various secrecy agreements.”

Bell Pottinger reported to the Pentagon, the CIA and the National Security Council on its work in Iraq, he said.

Bell, one of Britain’s most successful public relations executives, is credited with honing Margaret Thatcher’s steely image and helping the Conservative party win three elections. The agency he co-founded has had a roster of clients including repressive regimes and Asma al-Assad, the wife of the Syrian president.

In the first media interview any Bell Pottinger employee has given about the work for the US military in Iraq, video editor Martin Wells – who no longer works for the company – told the Bureau his time in Camp Victory was "shocking, eye-opening, life-changing.”

The firm’s output was signed off by former General David Petraeus – then commander of the coalition forces in Iraq – and on occasion by the White House, Wells said.

I think he was stating his situation, not directed to you in a negative way. Well, at least I didn't see it that way.

But I'm kinda like you in this way Vers. I've voted for D's and R's and I's and L's. I do that because I believe looking at the candidate is more important than looking at the party.

We cannot achieve balance until both major parties work together and really they all gotta stop with the name calling and finger pointing.

That debate last night, for the 15 or so minutes I could stand to watch it, was a true example of why we are where we are. Sides can't seem to come together for the betterment of ALL AMERICANS.

I live in Virginia and most of the people I spoke with today agree they have lost respect for Paine, our Senator.

They also tend to agree the Moderator sucked.

The Basket is filling.

If you're to the left of DC, you're a communist on this board.

Are you talking about when the Republican Congress would send a bill to the Senate and Harry Reid would just let it set on his desk because Obama the great non-negotiator wanted it all his way or the highway?

Perhaps you are talking about how Obama was spending money we didn't have and the Republicans shut him down by saying no?

Even so Obama managed to spend $10 Trillion we didn't have and doubled our Nations debt in only 8 years.

You are disappointed the Republicans didn't let him spend more as he was elected by the people but the people didn't know he would abuse their support?

Kaine wanted to discuss Trump and not issues. His antics were not dignified and he reminds me of Wally on Leave it to Beaver....for those old enough to recall.

Pence did a fabulous job appearing strong, dignified and wanted to discuss the issue with a passion unseen by any candidate in this mess of a race.

I wish Pence was at the top of the ticket. Hmmmmmm.....perhaps there is a plan.

I've heard you say that, but since I've been on these boards (2001) you almost always jump to defend the liberal side of things.

As far as debating goes, there is no doubt that Pence was better. What I find funny is the same people who say they want change and are tired of experienced politicians, are sticking up for Pence too. Pence is a lifetime politician. He's everything so many claimed they despised.

Personally I believe Pence would be a far better candidate for president than Trump. Had the voters in the primary have gotten their heads out of their collective butts and voted in a proper candidate, they would have ran away with this election. Sadly for them, they nominated a candidate who is offensive, mean, unlikable and so controversial that he's no better than Hillary. If Trump loses, they have nobody to blame but themselves.

Last night was a prime example of how a real politician and smart individual like Pence could have easily beaten someone like Hillary. Today people are singing his praises while they claimed during this election cycle he is exactly the type of candidate they didn't want for president.

Be careful what you wish for.

Walken/Busey for president in 2016. If we're going to elect bat$#!+ crazy, let's at least make it entertaining.

Your same ol buddies that are voting trump?

No, that was a more involved survey.

Went out for breakfast and an oil change.

This is just friends and neighbors, R and D's, Black/White/Latino who I spoke with so far today.

I like Mike Pence, and as others have said, I wish that he was the one running for President.

I only hope that, if Trump wins, he will do as was reportedly offered Kasich, and makes Pence the one who handles policy, while Trump functions more as "CEO", and sets the broader agenda. That's a really thin hope ..... but it's more hope than I have for Hillary/Kaine.

\Ugh ... how did we wind up with such miserable candidates for President?

The Democrats are at it again...

Illegal Foreign Voting in Virginia Covered Up by Soros-Backed Democratic Officials, Says Report

The new report is a partnership of the Virginia Voters Alliance and the Public Interest Legal Foundation, and it details how at least 1,046 non-citizens were allowed to vote based on official voting records, he said.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/10/02/virginia-illegal-voting-fraud-coverup/

In just eight Virginia counties, 1,046 alien non-citizens successfully registered to vote. Mind you, these are just the aliens who were accidentally caught because when they renewed their driver’s license, they told the truth that they were a non-citizen.

https://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2016...-the-thousands/

DOJ abruptly drops case against arms dealer who threatened to reveal Clinton's Libya dealings

“I am glad this horrific five-year ordeal is over and I am pleased to be able to move on with my life," Turi told Fox News in a statement.

"The government took away my life, my savings, and my company that I worked so hard to build to serve our nation, and for what?" he said. "I still don’t really know who the unjust actors were who launched this attack against me from the shadows. I just hope that someday there will be someone that will be held accountable."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/...a-dealings.html

jc

What does Hillary's selection of Tim Kaine as V.P. running mate say about her judgement?

What does Trump's selection of Mike Pence as V.P. running mate say about his judgement?

I know there are examples of both good and bad judgement from both presidential candidates. I also think the V.P. selection should be weighted very heavily, due to the prominence and importance of the position.

Do the respective V.P. choices sway your opinion on which presidential candidate can put together a better staff/cabinet/whatever?

Kaine doesn't make Hillary look bad because Kaine is not a horrible VP. However, I said before that Pence was an hoemrun pick. I wonder if Paul Ryan and company urged Trump to pick Pence.

You can look back over 8 years of Hillary and see her lack of good judgement. Kaine is just the latest.

Can a VP choice sway my opinion?

It sure doesn't hurt when your guy picks a winner.

Hey Purp............Are intelligent conversations against board rules in political threads?

Calm down. I didn't say you called me or anyone else that. I simply pointed this out as I was called that by several of our more conservative folks yet, even I think Kaine did poorly.

Nothing more...nothing less. It's all good, man.

It says she picked the pain in the ass little kid who stands on his front porch beating his chest and challenging everybody, only to hid behind his momma's skirt and run back into the house when he is challenged.

LOL............he did come across that way.

On a scale of 1-10 Pence comes across as about a 3 to mem and he rates higher than the other 3. That's scarier than my naked body in the mirror

He's better than the other 3, at least to my untrained eye. I wouldn't classify him as a 3 on your meter reader, though. I liked the way he presented himself and thought his arguments were relevant. That stupid mod kept letting the twerp interrupt him, but then chastised Pence if he interrupted the twerp.

I've said this before and no one agreed, but I'm gonna say it again.

I absolutely have despised the mods in each of these debates and interviews.

I would prefer that they give each candidate a list of questions and set time to answer each question. At the conclusion of that time period, cut their freaking mikes off.

The mods get in the way of a good debate. I don't need some "face" to tell me what I need to hear. Let the candidates talk!

Did anybody see this Hillary ad yet?

https://youtu.be/oFPfNC9t1IE

That's a brilliant ad and well put together.

I think it is also somewhat of damage control after Kaine's Jack Russell like debate skills.

That's probably one of her best ads. Completely used Trumps own words against him. She's going to keep doing it too. It's why he needs to stay off Twitter.

Not til right now.

That's what happens when you take sound bytes and create commercials.

Imagine the fun the Trump campaign could have with hillary's sound bytes....hell, with her testimony, and then juxtaposing it with Comey's fbi findings on just the e-mail thing alone.