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I think the defense would be better (physically) if you swapped out Schobert for Davis. But I don't know how that would impact the leadership dynamic on the field/locker room. Don't mean to use you/your post as a topic starter - but I'm curious how everyone feels about Davis @ ILB thus far? Doing good, bad, why? Seems lacking in coverage big time but maybe that's cause we were use to watching Dansby drop back in coverage and he was excellent usually in doing so. Thoughts? He seems pretty good against the run (except for last game) and a liability against the pass.
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I think he sucks to be honest. Our front leaves one freaking hole open and here goes our inside backers running into a pile instead of filling that hole and stopping the play for a loss.
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A lot of people are talking about one of--if not our biggest--need is getting an edge rusher.
Are you guys saying that Ogbah and Nassib are busts? Isn't it a little early for that? I don't think anybody is calling them a bust. Conversely, they haven't proven that they have that position locked down to the extent that it doesn't need attention, either.... so, the position is a need. Whether or not they "bust", they at least need to show that they are more than a backup at that position at this level for anyone to knock it down the list of needs.
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3 biggest needs this team has going foward? 1 RT 2 CB 3 OLB 4 games played, we have a lot of youth and injuries and this could change.. but if the question is where would impact players help us the most.. those 3 spots. QB is also a big ????? but you said 3 so I tried to respect that. 
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Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't recall Ogbah really being the pass rush guy so far. From my admittedly hazy recollection, he seems to be in coverage more than anything.
I could easily be mistaken.
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I don't believe he has been in coverage very much.
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Don't mean to use you/your post as a topic starter - but I'm curious how everyone feels about Davis @ ILB thus far? Doing good, bad, why? Seems lacking in coverage big time but maybe that's cause we were use to watching Dansby drop back in coverage and he was excellent usually in doing so.
Thoughts? I think Davis is stout against the run taking on blockers in a small triangle between the tackles. But, when he has to move outside that area he looks slow and stiff and plodding....the same in the passing game. Its like he knows where to go but just doesn't have the speed/fluidity to get there. He's just a half step to slow to my eye.
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Don't mean to use you/your post as a topic starter - but I'm curious how everyone feels about Davis @ ILB thus far? Doing good, bad, why? Seems lacking in coverage big time but maybe that's cause we were use to watching Dansby drop back in coverage and he was excellent usually in doing so.
Thoughts? I think Davis is stout against the run taking on blockers in a small triangle between the tackles. But, when he has to move outside that area he looks slow and stiff and plodding....the same in the passing game. Its like he knows where to go but just doesn't have the speed/fluidity to get there. He's just a half step to slow to my eye. Maybe that's it? I think Davis and Kirksey are a good pairing but when I watch them I have this feeling like... I just wish there was... more? We're not getting enough impact plays out of our LBers. I guess with Davis being the man in charge on that side of the ball I naturally expect him to be that consistent impact player. Overall I can't say I've been displeased with his performance so far.
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We have not made a serious investment in LB or Safety for quite a while but for once I think we need to finish one side of the ball first so lets get a RT and get at least some halfway decent pass blocking.
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A lot of people are talking about one of--if not our biggest--need is getting an edge rusher.
Are you guys saying that Ogbah and Nassib are busts? Isn't it a little early for that? No, not at all. I am saying when you can draft a Von Miller type player, you better have compelling reasons why you don't. No doubt if Ogbaugh or Nassib progress and start harassing QBs on a regular basis, things can change.
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We get torched on D the same way repeatedly. Hate the corner/flat play we lack. No pressure to speak of, so no lead is safe (proven) with this defense, especially secondary.
That is why my list didn't include QB. Tackling is swell, and widely embraced elsewhere.
We need a QB solution and a center. Just way too many holes in this boat to think that a bit more bailing will fix the bigger problems. Some of our issues are bench problems, especially on STs.
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We have not made a serious investment in LB or Safety for quite a while but for once I think we need to finish one side of the ball first so lets get a RT and get at least some halfway decent pass blocking. Unless you are speaking specific to drafting, we've made significant investments at LB and S recently in Karlos Dansby and Donte Whitner, respectively. Like $25M guaranteed "significant".
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CB - There's no way our over aged CB should be a #2 CB on an NFL roster.
QB - I don't believe that anyone can seriously consider Kessler a franchise QB. If you see a franchise QB and you are in the position to draft him in your natural drafting order, you do not pass up that opportunity. Otherwise you put yourself in a position to pay a kings ransom. However, looking at this years QB draft class, that opportunity may have already sailed off into the sunset.
OLB - While I'm not saying one of the drat picks may not develop into something more, I am looking at our current state. As has been said, if you find a Von Miller type player in the draft, you simply don't pass up on that type of talent.
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We have not made a serious investment in LB or Safety for quite a while but for once I think we need to finish one side of the ball first so lets get a RT and get at least some halfway decent pass blocking. Unless you are speaking specific to drafting, we've made significant investments at LB and S recently in Karlos Dansby and Donte Whitner, respectively. Like $25M guaranteed "significant". old worn out players are not the same as drafting talented players from the draft. We have not made a major draft investment in quite some time in LB or Safety and even when we have its been done poorly.
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We have not made a serious investment in LB or Safety for quite a while but for once I think we need to finish one side of the ball first so lets get a RT and get at least some halfway decent pass blocking. Unless you are speaking specific to drafting, we've made significant investments at LB and S recently in Karlos Dansby and Donte Whitner, respectively. Like $25M guaranteed "significant". old worn out players are not the same as drafting talented players from the draft. We have not made a major draft investment in quite some time in LB or Safety and even when we have its been done poorly. In the past 4 drafts, we have added LBs: 2013: 1st, 6 overall, Mingo 2014: 3rd, 71 overall, Kirksey 2015: 2nd, 51 overall, Orchard 2016: 2nd, 32 overall, Ogbah 2016: 4th, 99 overall, Schobert That seems like fairly significant draft investment in the LB position. Mingo was a bust, but the investment in the draft was there. Edit to add: It also seems like the 3-4 OLB position takes a while to develop. last year, Orchard looked really good towards the end of the year. Then he got hurt. Ogbah and Schobert are rookies. Kirksey is a good, though not great, ILB. We have changed schemes almost every year. We need to let guys develop, in the scheme we play. Very few players will succeed when the team and coaching staff are flipped every year, and there is complete uncertainty among the players.
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Ogbah and orchard might turn out to be good players. Kirksey is ok. I don't consider anything lower than a 2nd round pick as a real investment in a position and an elite pass rusher is usually a high first round pick like Mingo was but obviously he was a bust for us.
Safety is a major source of weakness imho and it's been highly neglected while being one of the most important positions on the field.
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I believe we drafted Nassib in the 3rd, # 65. I think he was doing really good last he played.
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Didn't want to start a new thread, but wanted to look about what people thought they needed 5 games ago vs what they think the team needs now.... 1) QB
2) Interior DL (5-tech/DT)
3) Edge Rusher I still think QB is a need but now I question if its a top 3 need: 1) Interior DL (5-tech/DT) preferable 2) Edge Rusher- Collins isn't a true edge rusher and i think he ultimately ends up at ILB 3) True Center field Single post Free Safety
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Man, this team has so many needs. FS, CB, SS, ILBer, Edge rusher, QB, C, RT.
I think a huge priority is to draft speed. We are so slow on defense.
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i was really hoping ogbah/nassib combo would give us more than they have so far
we literally get zero pressure on the QB. Was Dak even TOUCHED yesterday?
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Defense...
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"3 biggest needs this team has going foward?"
Defense...
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Man, this team has so many needs. FS, CB, SS, ILBer, Edge rusher, QB, C, RT.
I think a huge priority is to draft speed. We are so slow on defense. Funny how our needs practically line up with the picks we have in the first four rounds: First round: (2) Own pick and the Eagles' pick. Second round: (2) Own pick and the Titans' pick. Third round: (1) Own pick. Fourth round: (3) Three *compensatory picks due to free agent losses in 2016. NOTE: This is now two due to the acquisition of Collins. Picking up Collins may or may not relieve the pressure to draft ILB. We'll have to see how he plays, and if he stays.With those first five picks, I'd go exclusively O-line & defense just to get a team together. I want a QB more than anything, but this team is so pathetic, the draft class so thin at QB, we need to take BPA at our other positions of weakness just to start playing the game right. With the fourth round picks, we need to continue in that vein, filling holes or adding depth. Maybe take a QB late, like a Cooper Rush in the fourth or fifth. But something has to happen in this draft to get the team to a point where it's capable of winning games.
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sadly, there's no QB worth taking either
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sadly, there's no QB worth taking either So? We have a ton of needs. BPA....No trading down.
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The best part of being so terrible, is that the BPA will also be a need, regardless of what they play..
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The best part of being so terrible, is that the BPA will also be a need, regardless of what they play.. That is the silver lining
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I don't think Collins affects comp picks since he was acquired via trade rather than free agency.
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I don't think Collins affects comp picks since he was acquired via trade rather than free agency. but we traded a comp pick for him (a 3rd in 2017 ... the one we're getting for mack)
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1. When did we get rid of HUGHES??? We need our DL to improve...Bryant back, Cooper, Nassib both to improve. More Depth.
2. DB, outside of Haden and he's been hurt of late. We need speed and great tacklers. Time to draft from Alabama, Ohio State and Michigan!!
3. Franchise QB I guess. If you don't got one you can't pass on one!
jmho I like our LBs and Collins once he knows are D he will start making impact.
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hughes was a weird situation ... something was up with him at TC and then was released. Not sure anyone else claimed him
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just checked: he's on the Bucs roster
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1. QB.no other franchise has had the ineptness the Browns have had addressing the QB position
it passed on 2 franchise QBs in favor of a game manager in 2016
not sound thinking from the baseball stratomatic expert and guy who's name sounds like a cereal.
2. C. who misses Melvin Fowler now haha
3.TE. it's a TE driven league and Barnidge had his Brady Anderson yr.
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just checked: he's on the Bucs roster .... and has a total of 5 tackles in 4 games. I really liked Hughes, but there had to have been something up with him.
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I don't think Collins affects comp picks since he was acquired via trade rather than free agency. but we traded a comp pick for him (a 3rd in 2017 ... the one we're getting for mack) Oh, that... yeah, It's gonna take a bit till I get used to them being tradeable.
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1: Weak side rush. I don't care if it's Allen or Garrett but one should be our pick.
2: CB Joe is done it seems. Taylor isn't horrid and we have zero depth. It's a good class and FA cb are market high. Would love to take one with the Eagles pick.
3: TE It's a good class. Barnidge is a decent weapon but I've always wanted a true balanced TE ala Heath Miller. It would bring solidity to the run game just as much an OL would while adding a new wrinkle to the pass. Butt looks good at 32?
OL and FS are needs but I think they can be addressed with a later pick as 1st round OL is horrid this year and FS just frankly is not a position of most importance. With a great pass rush an average FS is ok.
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Man, this team has so many needs. FS, CB, SS, ILBer, Edge rusher, QB, C, RT.
I think a huge priority is to draft speed. We are so slow on defense. Funny how our needs practically line up with the picks we have in the first four rounds: First round: (2) Own pick and the Eagles' pick. Second round: (2) Own pick and the Titans' pick. Third round: (1) Own pick. Fourth round: (3) Three *compensatory picks due to free agent losses in 2016. NOTE: This is now two due to the acquisition of Collins. Picking up Collins may or may not relieve the pressure to draft ILB. We'll have to see how he plays, and if he stays.With those first five picks, I'd go exclusively O-line & defense just to get a team together. I want a QB more than anything, but this team is so pathetic, the draft class so thin at QB, we need to take BPA at our other positions of weakness just to start playing the game right. With the fourth round picks, we need to continue in that vein, filling holes or adding depth. Maybe take a QB late, like a Cooper Rush in the fourth or fifth. But something has to happen in this draft to get the team to a point where it's capable of winning games. Agree no QB this year unless late pick, stick with Kessler, Hogan, Callahan and RG(?). Kessler looks good and we haven't seen enough of Hogan. Here are my first five if available --- Peppers-S; Tabor-CB; Humphrey-CB; Feeney or Elflein-OG; Robinson or Bisnowaty - OT
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Aside from C/G I'd spend four of the first five picks we will have on defense at every level. DL/LB/S. BPA and playmakers that can come in and contribute.
...not that Horton will know what to do with them....
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I'm hoping Kirksey and Collins can be mainstays at LB ... but that remains to be seen.
Definitely need secondary help. Our safeties are the worst in the NFL IMO.
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