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The "right" thing to do would have been to release it when they got the information. Not sitting on it for 6 months and waiting for the best news cycle to damage the campaign.

The "right" thing to do would have been to release it when they got the information. Not sitting on it for 6 months and waiting for the best news cycle to damage the campaign.

The right thing is that we Americans are getting all this information before we put a Crook in the White House!

Since when is praising a good leader like Merkel a bad thing?

She shouldn't have just let the floodgates open on the refugee situation, but the one situation doesn't change the fact that she's been a great enough leader that she is on her third term.

But it's unsurprising that you left that little bit of info out. We get it, you hate immigrants and refugees.

Anyway, on to the topic, so JC:

As I said in the other thread, this isn't even a problem. What's sad is that you guys are trying your HARDEST to turn this into some sort of scandal.

It's hilarious, if not sad at the same time.

But I don't deflect, so I'll address the joke of a meme that Haus posted.

The global economy isn't coming. It's already here. And if you want to fall behind and not try to be at the forefront of the evolving economy, then please move out of the way, die off like dinosaurs, and let progress lead.

This is the future, and I can't wait. I loved the open border, open trade as a consumer in Europe. Man, flying through the borders, the road trips were amazing, being able to experience different cultures, and buy so many products from different countries, all in Germany. And the export prices weren't high at all.

Western Europe makes it work. Germany, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, etc, absolutely love it.

It's only a scandal and a problem if you're an isolationist and a nationalist.

On the other hand, it sure does seem like it was timed to do maximum damge. I won't dispute that much. Hey, people have short memories. Even some of the outrageous things Trump said earlier in the election season rarely get more than a passing mention, and neither do the deleted emails or the DNC corruption for that matter. I would expect more heavy stuff (from both sides) in this last month.

Isn't that the beauty of these releases though? There's nothing to do anymore. That's why he waits so long. Hack the DNC during the campaign season? Release it after the campaign season. It's all made to create disenfranchised voters, nothing else. Wikileaks does not want to correct anything. They might not even want to change the corruption. An Australian just wants to dictate our elections.

An Australian just wants to dictate our elections.

Isn't that the beauty of these releases though? There's nothing to do anymore. That's why he waits so long. Hack the DNC during the campaign season? Release it after the campaign season. It's all made to create disenfranchised voters, nothing else. Wikileaks does not want to correct anything. They might not even want to change the corruption. An Australian just wants to dictate our elections.

It is hard to know what his motivations are. As others pointed out, Wikileaks at one point released videos that were very damning of Bush and the Iraq war. It does seem like his releases are designed to hurt candidates that are war hawks and/or very corrupt but that's just speculation on my part.

What I think matters the most is the accuracy of the documents released. Has anybody challenged the authenticity of these emails? Has Assange ever gotten one of his releases wrong?

Dictate? If information that is needed is hidden from the people, then who is dictating the election? Clinton has been corrupt for a long time. For whatever reason, people ignore this.

Do you really want to continue with the status quo, or is it time to stop being one of the sheep?

everybody thinks they aren't sheep.

i always gotta kick outta the guys who swear up and down they are enlightened, and everyone around them is sheep.

Exactly.

Like, I know at the end of the day, all my post and such are just opinions and suggestions.

We all agree or disagree, but unless it's something completely off the charts, like lizard people, then I'm not gonna sit there and call somebody a sheep.

As I said before, Haus, we all have our different realities. It certainly crosses into one another from time to time, but what will work in my bubble could be absolutely destructive in yours.

The Podesta Emails; Part One

Today WikiLeaks begins its series on deals involving Hillary Clinton campaign Chairman John Podesta. Mr Podesta is a long-term associate of the Clintons and was President Bill Clinton's Chief of Staff from 1998 until 2001. Mr Podesta also controls the Podesta Group, a major lobbying firm and is the Chair of the Center for American Progress (CAP), a Washington DC-based think tank. Part 1 of the Podesta Emails comprises 2,060 emails and 170 attachments and focuses on Mr Podesta's communications relating to nuclear energy, and media handling over donations to the Clinton Foundation from mining and nuclear interests; 1,244 of the emails reference nuclear energy. The full collection includes emails to and from Hillary Clinton.

In April 2015 the New York Times published a story about a company called "Uranium One" which was sold to Russian government-controlled interests, giving Russia effective control of one-fifth of all uranium production capacity in the United States. Since uranium is considered a strategic asset, with implications for the production of nuclear weapons, the deal had to be approved by a committee composed of representatives from a number of US government agencies. Among the agencies that eventually signed off the deal was the State Department, then headed by Secretary Clinton. The Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS) comprises, among others, the secretaries of the Treasury, Defense, Homeland Security, Commerce and Energy.

As Russian interests gradually took control of Uranium One millions of dollars were donated to the Clinton Foundation between 2009 and 2013 from individuals directly connected to the deal including the Chairman of Uranium One, Ian Telfer. Although Mrs Clinton had an agreement with the Obama White House to publicly identify all donors to the Clinton Foundation, the contributions from the Chairman of Uranium One were not publicly disclosed by the Clintons.

When the New York Times article was published the Clinton campaign spokesman, Brian Fallon, strongly rejected the possibility that then-Secretary Clinton exerted any influence in the US goverment's review of the sale of Uranium One, describing this possibility as "baseless".

Mr Fallon promptly sent a memo to the New York Times with a rebuttal of the story (Podesta Email ID 1489).

In this memo, Mr Fallon argued: "Apart from the fact that the State Department was one of just nine agencies involved in CFIUS, it is also true that within the State Department, the CFIUS approval process historically does not trigger the personal involvement of the Secretary of State. The State Department’s principal representative to CFIUS was the Assistant Secretary of State for Economic, Energy and Business Affairs. During the time period in question, that position was held by Jose Fernandez. As you are aware, Mr Fernandez has personally attested that “Secretary Clinton never intervened with me on any CFIUS matter.”

What the Clinton campaign spokesman failed to disclose, however, was the fact that a few days before sending his rebuttal to the New York Times, Jose Fernandez wrote on the evening of the 17 April 2015 to John Podesta following a phone call from Mr Podesta (Email ID 2053): "John, It was good to talk to you this afternoon, and I appreciate your taking the time to call. As I mentioned, I would like to do all I can to support Secretary Clinton, and would welcome your advice and help in steering me to the right persons in the campaign".

Five days after this email (22 April 2015), Clinton spokesman Brian Fallon wrote a memo to the New York Times, declaring that "Jose Fernandez has personally attested that 'Secretary Clinton never intervened with me on any CFIUS matter',” but Fallon failed to mention that Fernandez was hardly a neutral witness in this case, considering that he had agreed with John Podesta to play a role in the Clinton campaign.

The emails show that the contacts between John Podesta and Jose Fernandez go back to the time of internal Clinton campaign concern about the then-forthcoming book and movie "Clinton Cash" by Peter Schweizer on the financial dealings of the Clinton Foundation.

In an email dated 29 March 2015 (Email ID 2059), Jose Fernandez writes to Podesta: "Hi John, I trust you are getting a brief rest after a job well done. Thanks no doubt to your recommendation I have joined the CAP [Center for American Progress] board of trustees, which I'm finding extremely rewarding."

Julian Assange

Don't talk to me about being a sheep when you vote Republican cycle after cycle. I voted for Jill Stein and Nader. And maybe my votes have gone to waste, but at least I haven't voted for a Republican or Republican lite like everyone else. Also, I prefer this status quo to Trump's potentially Nazish changes. I'm also not voting for Hillary. If you want to lecture a sheep, look in the mirror.

Heck, I was just making coffee and got a knock at my door. My roommate opened it to two HRC supporters making sure we were registered. I walked back to the kitchen and yelled, "Jail Her." so they could hear me. Me not supporting Trump is not me supporting Hillary.

BTW, literally everyone and their mother knows that Clinton is dishonest. It's why her ratings are so low. No one expects Clinton to be honest with them.

Isn't that the beauty of these releases though? There's nothing to do anymore. That's why he waits so long. Hack the DNC during the campaign season? Release it after the campaign season. It's all made to create disenfranchised voters, nothing else. Wikileaks does not want to correct anything. They might not even want to change the corruption. An Australian just wants to dictate our elections.

They sat on it due to fear of litigation. There's a whole story on it.

What we need is a ban on any and all campaign contributions. Give each nominee an equal budget and let the best person win. Screw corporate america buying off our leaders.

Just as long as you acknowledge it works both ways.

Wikileaks could've dropped these emails whenever, but they waited.

Yes, nothing to do with what is right for America, Its Trump, its about Trump, Trump is a Russian Wiki leaker!

Don't forget Nazi!

Tin Foil Hat Time!!!

Who cares who took them if they're unaltered?

erik...you know they are unaltered emails..BECAUSE YOU TRUST THE FREAKING RUSSIANS?

If the Russians were trying to get Hillary elected...I would not vote for her, because the Russians are so untrustworthy.

You might be a big fan of Putin...I've read about this guy and he and his people have a habit of seeing that Putin's opponents, end up "dead"...and you support and trust Putin and RUSSIA?