if i ran for office, those post i made should ABSOLUTELY be up for criticism, regardless on if i apologized for it or not.
it doesn't change the fact that i said those things.
sorry bro but thats the standard. if it applies to him, it applies to me. no double standards my way.
Well it's a matter of degrees and trying to think about the future implications of society in the internet age. I have some more thoughts but this is probably not the place for it. You are being consistent about things though, which is cool.
I don't think he is getting hammered at all. The same people who have supported him still support him while many others are beginning to see to what new lows Hillary will stoop to in order to nail someone. First it was Bernie, now Trump.
The thing Hillary will never understand is the American People are wise enough to see through the curtain, to see the Press, The Republican establishment and Hillary herself joining together to stop Trump.
He is becoming the Great American Underdog and we Americans just love an underdog who wins in the face of a fixed game.
its absolutely disgusting what happened in that video.
but can you remind the board of something: is any of those people in the video currently running for president?
No? oh, ok.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I had zero clue who she was 11 years ago. That might have something to do with it. Also, it's possible that she was on a comedy roast where the language isn't exactly the kind you'd hear at a church picnic.
Poor Ann Coulter for getting insulted on a comedy roast. Wow. If only there was some way she could have avoided that...
Jewel, our whitefem hero, actually kinda stood up for Ann Coulter. "As a feminist, I can't support everything that's being said tonight, but as somebody who hates Ann Coulter, I'm delighted." So even people participating in the show had objection to it.
Another funny thing about that video (let's set aside what happened to that woman for right now): the mob was waving a Mexican flag. I point this out because throughout the primary season, I saw the Mexican flag waved and worn many times by many different liberal crowds and rarely heard a peep about it.
Yet at the same time, the American flag was always suspiciously absent, unless it was being stomped on or burned. Am I remembering things correctly? What do you think about that?
ok, but you're not doing what you think you're doing.
you're trying to compare the actions of someone running for president with the actions of a mob group who isn't.
if you would've posted a video of hillary clinton throwing things at ann coulter or roasting her ass on comedy central, then you'd have a rock solid argument.
you always go out of your way to make sure you post 'liberals' doing craptastic things, but you always fail to post the conservatives doing the same disgusting crap.
yes, some liberals have no moral high ground to stand on.
but some absolutely do. that works the same way with conservatives.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Poor Ann Coulter for getting insulted on a comedy roast. Wow. If only there was some way she could have avoided that...
Another funny thing about that video (let's set aside what happened to that woman for right now): the mob was waving a Mexican flag. I point this out because throughout the primary season, I saw the Mexican flag waved and worn many times by many different liberal crowds and rarely heard a peep about it.
Yet at the same time, the American flag was always suspiciously absent, unless it was being stomped on or burned. Am I remembering things correctly? What do you think about that?
again, another head scratching point.
what's wrong with being proud of your heritage? my wife has a big ass German flag magnet on her SUV.
i like to fly the Turkish flag every now and again. does that mean i'm somehow not proud of the american flag or this country?
Last edited by Swish; 10/09/1612:01 PM.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
The difference might be that they don't belong or vote for the party that has claimed for decades to have the moral high ground.
You can't go around calling yourself the party of "the moral majority" and "The Christian right", then try to explain away a candidate for president who plainly claimed he committed sexual assault and could get away with it because he was famous.
Both of these candidates suck and it's about time you own up to it.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Controversy and corruption have pursued Hillary Clinton throughout her political career. A large majority of the nation realize that the former Secretary of State is untrustworthy. As the presidential election nears, it is important to understand the facts behind the Democratic nominee’s shady past. Learn the 2016 Truths.
i love how you talk about her being shady when you stay posting links from shady websites.
i guess you fighting fire with fire, huh.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
i'm looking through it, did you and Haus make this website?
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, a leading Donald Trump surrogate, on Sunday downplayed the GOP nominee’s 2005 comments that are now engulfing the presidential race.
“It was 10 or 12 years ago. He wasn’t at that time, you know, running for office, he wasn’t thinking of office,” Giuliani said on “Meet the Press,” according to an NBC transcript.
“He understands the responsibility is on his shoulders now, which wasn’t there back then,” he added.
Giuliani was among the inner circle of advisers who have been with Trump over the last 24 hours, which have been the most difficult moments yet of the celebrity businessman’s campaign. The former mayor said he was with Trump “all day” Saturday.
A slew of Republican governors, senators and House members have called for Trump to exit the race since Friday afternoon, when the Washington Post published audio of Trump crassly bragging about groping and trying to have sex with women, saying that, as a celebrity, “they let you do it. You can do anything.”
Trump apologized in a video published Saturday morning, but vowed to remain in the race.
Two top Trump surrogates — Trump campaign manager Kellyanne Conway and RNC Chairman Reince Priebus — pulled out of “Meet the Press,” and Giuliani appeared in their stead
“Are you the only one in the campaign that was willing to publicly defend him?” host Chuck Todd asked Giuliani.
Former Mayor Rudy Giuliani on Former Mayor Rudy Giuliani on “Meet the Press.” (Screenshot: NBC News) During the interview, Giuliani insisted that Trump was not pulling out of the race. “He was selected by more Republican voters than anyone has ever been selected in a Republican primary. He owes them the duty to run,” he said.
He repeated that assurance later Sunday morning in a second round of questions with George Stephanopoulos on ABC’s “This Week.”
To Todd, Giuliani said Trump “feels terrible” for having made the comments, which were made several months after his 2005 wedding to Melania Trump.
“When he was confronted with it, he was pretty darn shocked that he had said such terrible things, and he feels terrible about it. He feels terrible for his family and how embarrassing it is for them. He feels terrible from his own point of view. But he also realizes he has a responsibility,” he said.
Giuliani further suggested that Trump may have been exaggerating when he bragged about groping and kissing women without waiting for their approval.
“Well, the actions would be even worse if they were actions. Talk and action are two different things,” he told Todd.
Todd pointed to a recent New York Times interview with Temple Taggart, a former Miss Utah who said Trump inappropriately kissed her. Todd asked Giuliani if he was implying that Taggart was making up her claim of sexual harassment.
Giuliani pivoted back to the 2005 audio.
“I’m not implying it was made up. I said we’re talking about things that he was talking about. I don’t know how much he was exaggerating,” he said. “But I do know that this is unfortunately the kind of talk that goes on among a lot of people, and they shouldn’t talk about this. This is wrong.”
He added: “He’s running for president, he realizes that he’s got the weight and the responsibility of all these people on his shoulder, and this is something he’s not going to do in the future.”
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Poor Ann Coulter for getting insulted on a comedy roast. Wow. If only there was some way she could have avoided that...
Another funny thing about that video (let's set aside what happened to that woman for right now): the mob was waving a Mexican flag. I point this out because throughout the primary season, I saw the Mexican flag waved and worn many times by many different liberal crowds and rarely heard a peep about it.
Yet at the same time, the American flag was always suspiciously absent, unless it was being stomped on or burned. Am I remembering things correctly? What do you think about that?
again, another head scratching point.
what's wrong with being proud of your heritage? my wife has a big ass German flag magnet on her SUV.
i like to fly the Turkish flag every now and again. does that mean i'm somehow not proud of the american flag or this country?
You're moving the goalposts here. What you describe you and your wife doing is fine. That is different from what I'm talking about. Maybe I'll dig up some videos later but I have to get ready for the game soon.
I would say i am surprised by giuliani's comments.
but since this is the same guy who married his cousin, i guess i'm not REALLY surprised at all.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Poor Ann Coulter for getting insulted on a comedy roast. Wow. If only there was some way she could have avoided that...
Another funny thing about that video (let's set aside what happened to that woman for right now): the mob was waving a Mexican flag. I point this out because throughout the primary season, I saw the Mexican flag waved and worn many times by many different liberal crowds and rarely heard a peep about it.
Yet at the same time, the American flag was always suspiciously absent, unless it was being stomped on or burned. Am I remembering things correctly? What do you think about that?
I didn't watch the video.
Do you really think politicians and the people who run their campaign are stupid enough to not include the American flag when they/their candidate is running for the American president? I know you celebrate the words of a newspaper cartoonist who doesn't understand how campaigns work. Literally every single detail is micromanaged in their campaign. Proof of this? Look at the Hillary excerpts. They literally got the most damaging transcripts because her team were wondering on how to counter it. And had they not discussed this, they wouldn't have had to defend it. So to answer your question, yes they have the American flag at every rally. You don't notice it because it's been so ingrained into the campaign.
Poor Ann Coulter for getting insulted on a comedy roast. Wow. If only there was some way she could have avoided that...
Another funny thing about that video (let's set aside what happened to that woman for right now): the mob was waving a Mexican flag. I point this out because throughout the primary season, I saw the Mexican flag waved and worn many times by many different liberal crowds and rarely heard a peep about it.
Yet at the same time, the American flag was always suspiciously absent, unless it was being stomped on or burned. Am I remembering things correctly? What do you think about that?
I didn't watch the video.
Do you really think politicians and the people who run their campaign are stupid enough to not include the American flag when they/their candidate is running for the American president? I know you celebrate the words of a newspaper cartoonist who doesn't understand how campaigns work. Literally every single detail is micromanaged in their campaign. Proof of this? Look at the Hillary excerpts. They literally got the most damaging transcripts because her team were wondering on how to counter it. And had they not discussed this, they wouldn't have had to defend it. So to answer your question, yes they have the American flag at every rally. You don't notice it because it's been so ingrained into the campaign.
Please watch it. Here it is again:
I want to know why people who were so outraged about Trump's comments were not outraged about this? This isn't even about Hillary. I know that she had nothing to do with this! The point is about how people selectively pick things to be outraged about and it is maddening (and yes I know that I do that too sometimes).
As far as the American flag: I do recall that it was notably absent during the first day of the Democratic National Convention, and it was only added after it became a sort of mini-controversy. My original comments were more of an extension of what was written above: in various liberal protests I have seen the Mexican flag flown more proudly and prominently than the American one, which would be more commonly seen on the ground. I think that is accurate (again, talking about street rallies and protests, not officially sponsored Hillary rallies).
Anyway, I'm out of here for a while. Go Browns! It would be awesome if they won their first game against a newly reinstated Tom Brady and the Pats (I know politics in sports threads is frowned upon, but I think the opposite should be okay?)
I'm not sure i'm comfortable with this. I get politicians jumping ship, but with regards to the RNC, i don't think it's fair to pull resources from your presidential candidate.
maybe i'm wrong, but THIS feels shady and wrong:
RNC reportedly pulls resources from Trump after lewd tape surfaces
Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus on Saturday told the RNC to redirect resources away from Donald Trump, The Wall Street Journal reports. Trump has been under fire since The Washington Post on Friday surfaced video of him making extremely graphic comments about women during an Access Hollywood segment taped in 2005.
Priebus' directive is apparently an effort to salvage the GOP's chances in down-ballot races, as party operatives are concerned the backlash facing Trump may jeopardize their odds to retain the Senate as well as the House. Earlier Saturday, Politico reported the RNC halted its mail production for the pro-Trump "Victory" program, presumably in order to redirect resources elsewhere. The Washington Post called the backlash of Trump on Saturday an "epic and historic political crisis."
Several party heavyweights have denounced Trump's comments: Trump's running mate Mike Pence said he was "offended" by the remarks, and that he could not defend them, while House Speaker Paul Ryan uninvited Trump from an event Saturday in Wisconsin, which was set to be Ryan's first campaign appearance alongside the Republican nominee. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), the party's 2008 nominee, retracted his endorsement of Trump, as did Utah Rep. Jason Chaffetz, while several other ranking Republicans issued statements denouncing Trump's words and, in some case, calling for his removal from the ticket.
Priebus was scheduled to appear on Face the Nation on Sunday, but the appearance was canceled because the Trump campaign reportedly preferred a "campaign person"; he will be replaced by major Trump surrogate Rudy Giuliani, the former mayor of New York. Trump's campaign manager Kellyanne Conway was scheduled to appear on Fox News Sunday, but Giuliani will also take over that segment. Trump himself is scheduled to face-off against Hillary Clinton on Sunday night in the second presidential debate, which begins 9 p.m. ET Sunday. Kimberly Alters
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I'm not going to watch it. I'm listening to BB King over my homespeakers that's connected to my computer. I'm going to listen to that instead of listen to a dumb video.
I don't think anyone believes that pelting people with food is a good idea. Especially against just random people caught up in it all. Funny how I never see Republicans condemn those at Donald's convention who spit on protesters. But then I just apply common sense and understand that NO ONE thinks that any violence towards people are acceptable and not everything needs to be criticized. However, when your Presidential candidate is bragging about sexually assaulting people, something needs to be said.
Doesn't the flag not being there prove the point? When it's not there it becomes a "mini-controversy".
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I'm not going to watch it. I'm listening to BB King over my homespeakers that's connected to my computer. I'm going to listen to that instead of listen to a dumb video.
I don't think anyone believes that pelting people with food is a good idea. Especially against just random people caught up in it all. Funny how I never see Republicans condemn those at Donald's convention who spit on protesters. But then I just apply common sense and understand that NO ONE thinks that any violence towards people are acceptable and not everything needs to be criticized. However, when your Presidential candidate is bragging about sexually assaulting people, something needs to be said.
Doesn't the flag not being there prove the point? When it's not there it becomes a "mini-controversy".
It's a 49 second video, and how do you know it's dumb if you didn't watch it? I suspect that you either watched it today or you watched it when it was released months ago, and you're uncomfortable with the content. And it is uncomfortable.
That's the point. Switch a few things around and I bet it would have been one of the biggest news stories of the election season. Imagine if that had been a group of Trump supporters pelting a female Clinton supporter while being called nasty names. We would never hear the end of it. If you can show me a group of Trump supporters acting in that manner, I would love to see it. I'm not talking one rogue loser... show me an entire mob acting like that.
A lot of us liberals called it when the election season kicked off: PLEASE let it be trump to win the nomination.
Man, God is good
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
A lot of us liberals called it when the election season kicked off: PLEASE let it be trump to win the nomination.
Man, God is good
I don't think any Republican would be favored right now. That's one thing I disagree on as far as quality of candidates goes. A lot of people really, really dislike Trump and maybe they would find another Republican candidate more tolerable, but I don't necessarily think that translates into a net gain of votes.
I can see how you'd be enjoying this though. It has been a bad few days for Trump and the Republicans.
I'm not going to watch it. I'm listening to BB King over my homespeakers that's connected to my computer. I'm going to listen to that instead of listen to a dumb video.
I don't think anyone believes that pelting people with food is a good idea. Especially against just random people caught up in it all. Funny how I never see Republicans condemn those at Donald's convention who spit on protesters. But then I just apply common sense and understand that NO ONE thinks that any violence towards people are acceptable and not everything needs to be criticized. However, when your Presidential candidate is bragging about sexually assaulting people, something needs to be said.
Doesn't the flag not being there prove the point? When it's not there it becomes a "mini-controversy".
It's a 49 second video, and how do you know it's dumb if you didn't watch it? I suspect that you either watched it today or you watched it when it was released months ago, and you're uncomfortable with the content. And it is uncomfortable.
That's the point. Switch a few things around and I bet it would have been one of the biggest news stories of the election season. Imagine if that had been a group of Trump supporters pelting a female Clinton supporter while being called nasty names. We would never hear the end of it. If you can show me a group of Trump supporters acting in that manner, I would love to see it. I'm not talking one rogue loser... show me an entire mob acting like that.
I know it's dumb because you're using it as pointless political posturing. I don't know if you ever heard of BB King, but he's a lot better than political posturing.
Here's a video of Donald Trump supporters attacking a protester and actually assaulting him. I find it hilarious that you thought this was out of the question. You realize these attacks happen on both sides and no one likes it? To think that only HRC supporters could be vile is a very cartoonish thought. The world is not like a news paper. It's not black and white.
we will see what he pulls off tonight. you gonna watch it bro?
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
A lot of us liberals called it when the election season kicked off: PLEASE let it be trump to win the nomination.
Man, God is good
I don't think any Republican would be favored right now. That's one thing I disagree on as far as quality of candidates goes. A lot of people really, really dislike Trump and maybe they would find another Republican candidate more tolerable, but I don't necessarily think that translates into a net gain of votes.
I can see how you'd be enjoying this though. It has been a bad few days for Trump and the Republicans.
you don't think another republican would be favored right now?
Certainly Bush or Kasich, or even Romney would.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Hillary wouldn't survive this election with anybody else running...
well, some of the normal GOP candidates anyway.
This right here is on the conservative base.
they will make a bunch of excuses and reasoning for why they chose Trump, but at the end of the day, everybody, liberals and even a good portion of conservatives, was telling these people who and what Trump was from day one.
and they didn't listen.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Haus that video is appalling. I have not seen it before. No doubt, this election has brought out the worst in people.
What people also forget is everything most of us as parents and their teachers have taught seems to be completely thrown out the window. Everything we have seen on the campaign trail and in debates questions the moral fabric of our nation. Is this the behavior we want our children to see and grow up imitating? AND...if and when they do what right do these adults have to tell them not to act like that?
A lot of us liberals called it when the election season kicked off: PLEASE let it be trump to win the nomination.
Man, God is good
I don't think any Republican would be favored right now. That's one thing I disagree on as far as quality of candidates goes. A lot of people really, really dislike Trump and maybe they would find another Republican candidate more tolerable, but I don't necessarily think that translates into a net gain of votes.
I can see how you'd be enjoying this though. It has been a bad few days for Trump and the Republicans.
you don't think another republican would be favored right now?
Certainly Bush or Kasich, or even Romney would.
No, I do not think any Republican would be favored right now. If you break things down by demographics, it was always going to be difficult for a Republican to win. Romney lost to Obama 332-206 (and by ~5 million in the popular vote) and I'm not sure how Bush, Kasich, or even Romney himself would be able to make that up. I think Trump still has a better chance than any of those would due to shaking things up, giving a voice to those who have been tuned out by the Republican party, etc.
Haus that video is appalling. I have not seen it before. No doubt, this election has brought out the worst in people.
What people also forget is everything most of us as parents and their teachers have taught seems to be completely thrown out the window. Everything we have seen on the campaign trail and in debates questions the moral fabric of our nation. Is this the behavior we want our children to see and grow up imitating? AND...if and when they do what right do these adults have to tell them not to act like that?
Thank you. That's all I was really looking for.
And I agree with CHS that there have been some Trump supporters who have not conducted themselves well either, and I think the video he posted was disappointing albeit not nearly to the same level. I'm sure there are worse out there but I'll just drop it now.
I do hope things chill out soon, ideally now but at least after the election. There's a lot of hostility out there. I think it was CanadaDawg (or maybe someone else?) who said that the American election season drags on way too long and turns the world politics into a cesspool, or something like that. That seems pretty accurate.
