DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Joe Thomas: On Letting Young Players Get Away

That's not biased.

OK now you're ganging up on one poster how brave you are.

Who am I "ganging up" with?

The fact of the matter "being discussed" is that they didn't want to pay what THOSE PLAYERS thought they were worth. Happens all the time...it's what free agency is all about.

Someone said it above, we should be talking about how/why the FO decided they weren't worth the big money...although that's been done on here numerous times already.

You've gone on record saying Haslem is cheap and won't spend money period, whether its on Pryor or in general. That argument is just not true.

I don't know if it is true or not. You brought up some valid examples of it not being true, but there are examples that might make one wonder if it is true.

--Sheard
--Dawson
--Skrine
--Mack
--Gipson
--Schwartz
--Low payroll for multiple years
--Firing scouts early
--More emphasis on marketing than free agency

I am not sure what is the "truth" and what isn't, but I don't think either side can say w/certainty that their take is the "truth."

Then that would suggest other teams FO's including the Pats would rather spend money to sign The Browns leftovers (FAs), than spend the money to keep players that were drafted by their respective teams.

What do you mean we don't know if its true or not? The guaranteed $ spent on just those players alone is astronomical. And the team cut Kruger, Bowe, Whitner, and Dasnby while still owning them money. That's the antithesis of being cheap. Let's add Tramon Williams' contract to the mix too. Geez.

The other players you added support my prior post saying the decisions to sign/not signing players is more questionable than the fact Haslem hasn't spent money.

I said what I mean and I meant what I said.

You know what's funny?

The very same posters who made fun of and ridiculed other posters who questioned The Big Show when he was here and Ray Farmer when he was here are the very same posters who are making fun of posters who question any move this particular FO makes.

Now, that truly deserves a

jc-

I bet if Haslam would stop firing coaches and FO people every 1 or 2 years, a lot of things like signing our own free agents would take care of itself.

I think more people should focus on the root cause of the problem and not the low hanging fruit.

It's almost as if no one really knows anything, and while we can sit here and discuss every single move to death, we won't know anything until it's "over"

I think that is an excellent point and I also think that is what Joe was really saying in the original article.

LOL..........true.

if anything that has been forecasted correctly on these boards is that the posters who questioned the past regimes
WERE RIGHT ALL LONG. AND THE BOZOS HAVE BEEN RIGHT ALL ALONG.
Some people will blindly follow any regime. support every
move they make.and then when that regime is shown the door
then the apologists come out
as far as this regime goes they passed on 2 franchise QBs
and failed to find upgrades for the players they let walk in free agency.
and this team has is headed for a sub.500 finish yet again.
so this new front office gets a failure grade from me until they secure a franchise QB and close the gap on the North

I dislike the use of the term "blindly"

This is my team, I will root for them, good or bad..

If I disagree with a move, there's really nothing I can do about it besides say "I disagree with that move"

Stop watching? Stop buying things? Stop going to games?

That doesn't sound fun to me.

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I gave up on the Indians after the blew up the team in 2007, we should of won the WS that year, and I was all in. We didnt, and everyone's gone, the cycle had restarted, and I was just done..

It's 2016, they have a legit chance at a chip this year.

But I've been out for a long time, and jumping back in because now they have a shot seems wrong.. it won't feel the same..

Mac, it's clear you have a boner for Haslam, and clearly not every decision he's made has been a good one. He has definitely struggled getting a FO and coaching staff in place. His inexperience is all too apparent. But if you honestly believe he's sitting there counting money with the men responsible for hiring and firing and managing personnel, then I'm afraid you're way off base. Haslam didn't say, "Let's go get RGIII" and "You gotta let Schwartz walk". The FO he hired and trusted to managed his team and cap space made those moves. So get a grip pal.

I understand your ire, but direct it at the right place. Statements like the above sound lunatical and only emphasize your bias against Haslam without strengthening your point.

The Steelers first 30+ years were are losing seasons they didn't win a playoff game until the 70's.


Played As:
Pittsburgh Pirates 1933-1939
Pittsburgh Steelers 1940-1942
Phil-Pitt Steagles 1943
Card-Pit 1944
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Coaches: (21)
Jap Douds 1933
Luby DiMelio 1934
Joe Bach 1935-1936
Johnny McNally 1937-1939
Walt Kiesling 1939-1940
Bert Bell 1941
Buff Donelli 1941
Walt Kiesling 1941-1942
Walt Kiesling & Greasy Neale 1943
Walt Kiesling & Phil Handler 1944
Jim Leonard 1945
Jock Sutherland 1946-1947
Johnny Michelson 1948-1951
Joe Bach 1952-1953
Walt Kiesling 1954-1956
Buddy Parker 1957-1964
Mike Nixon 1965
Bill Austin 1966-1968
Chuck Noll 1969-1991
Bill Cowher 1992-2006
Mike Tomlin 2007-Present

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2012: Change was in the air in Cleveland as the Lerner family sold the Browns to Jimmy Haslam,

So you expect Jimmy to learn all of what it has taken the Rooneys in 80+ years in less than 5 years?

I think it's easy to predict a new regime will fail when they are constantly being replaced. I don't think anyone should be patting themselves on the back for that.

Until Haslam demonstrates the patience to stick with some guys for a long period of time, its likely every regime will fail. I mean even in Philly although they replaced the coach, Roseman is still calling the shots at the top. There is still a semblance of continuity there. He's been running that organization for a long time. That's a big deal.

As long as Hue doesn't lose the team and as long as we don't start hearing about infighting between the coach and FO, the smart play is to let these guys build up the program. It looks like Wentz was a huge blunder but the smart play is to let them learn from it and continue to grow as an organization.

I don't buy the continuity for continuity sake theory. There would be no way in hell to convince me keeping Holmgren/Shurmur, Banner/Lombardi, or Farmer/Pettine for either a day longer than we did, or for five years, would have helped the franchise in any way. Those fools were destroying it with practically every move they made.

It's easy to point the finger and say continuity is the problem. In reality, the problem was the problem. And the problem was combination of one form or another of ineptitude, ego, and ambition beyond capability. So screw the notion that we have to keep the regimes in place nonsense. Until we land a regime that can actually do the job, there will be a revolving door on the front office and in the locker room.

Hopefully Sashi and Hue can get the job done. They'll likely get a year or two longer than the previous regimes because of the total rebuild, the confidence Haslam has shown in them, and because it's been such a clusterfrack around here. But if Sashi keeps passing on talent like Wentz, and Hue keeps losing games, it's "Buh-bye Money Ball" and "So long, Hue World Order." Bank on it. I won't have a problem with it.

Man, w/all the dumb things being said by those who blindly support the Browns, you choose his post to belittle?

His posts are normally idiotic, so yes.

We admittedly had a tough time on the ground, but for the most part our pass protection was good...

And Vambo's, WSU Willies, Devil's, etc are not? LMAO

Great football post Vers way to stick to the thread topic and not derail it.

Thanks Vambo!

How long did it take the Steeler to get to that level? 5 years? 10 years 50 years? 80 years?

I wouldn't be surprised if Thomas is traded before the deadline. If it does happen, I hope he is fortunate enough to go to a playoff team. Stand up guy, deserves nothing but the best.

So, you are saying it will take us 80 years to get to that level?

No ,, he's saying he's giving Haslam 75 more years ...

Not sure why u waste your time Vers .. Never seen ceases to amaze me ... Go look at the CONVERSATION your having with Vambo ... Your actually having a DISCUSSION about how bad of owners the Rooney's were for the first 50 years or so ...

THINK ABOUT THAT and please let me know u have a reason for having such a MORONIC DISCUSSION ..

Cause I can't figure it out ...

And don't get pissy about my out .. U guys have about 20 TOTTALY IRRELIVENT POSTS on this thread .. So save letting me know about my SINGLE POST!!!!!

Why must you criticize me on all these posts and allow the majority to run rampart?

Look boss, if you don't like my posts................don't freaking read 'em.

I expect more from U .. Sorry for thinking u were better than them ..

Go ahead .. Keep talking about the last 80 years of the Stilers history as some kind of baseline for what we're doing here ..

Later bro .. Have fun with your posse ...

Alright boss. I don't rip your ass at all, but you are sure making a habit of ripping mine. So please don't get offended if I question you.

Goodness.

I speak what I feel. If you don't like it..............too freaking bad!!!

I don't even know what you're kibitching about, but I distinctly remember you telling me, when I called you out about doing exactly what you gripe about others doing.............telling me "I don't care what you think."

I have a feeling that applies to many of your posts.

arch w/another football post.

With all fairness, we have gone through at least 4 QB this season. These QBs have been sacked a combined 12 times in 5 games. That's not good, but Andrew Luck has been sacked 20 times so far this year.

There are other QBs who have been sacked as many times individually as ours have combined. I am quite sure they have been pressured and hit as well, just as ours have.

RG3 was hit on the run, going out of bounds. IIRC, McCown was injured on a sack, as was Kessler. Sometimes guys just get hurt. We have lost 2 Centers and 2 TE so far as well. Injuries happen, and we have just had a horrible run of bad luck.