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I'm not sure how I could vote for anyone in this race.
And not sure how anyone could be on the side of either nominee.
when I was young you had strong politicians who valued what America stood for. Now all you have is a bunch of mud slinging.

ppsst that's not mud the two pigs are wallowing in.

Hmmm? What ever could it be? : )

yes.

Turkey would probably support (read: tolerate under protest) an official Kurdish State as long as the kurds weren't trying to take their region in southern Turkey.

So if they just annexed northern iraq and parts of Syria, Turkey would probably not say a whole lot about that.

Turkey...specifically Erdogan...and i dislike talking trash about my peeps....the guy just doesn't know what he wants. He's "trying" to remain neutral, and then out of nowhere wants to flex his muscles. unfortunately, you can probably apply that to every muslim leader in the area.

and if you notice, he likes flexing his muscles every time the Kurds make gains against ISIS. it's like he's a little ass kid who doesn't want to get shown up or something. i really don't like him.

anyway, i would fully support an official Kurdish State, and put them in NATO on day one. Sometimes i feel they are more 'liberal' than even UAE or Qatar.

They have always been down with the US, and we should be supporting whoever is down with us, ya know?

Turkey will run their mouths, but at the end of the day, all they can do is be mad. I think we should look at northern iraq and the parts of Syria where the kurdish regions are...and then address the kurdish regions inside the Turkish border at another time.

i really don't want us to turn this into a similar situation we're seeing with Palestine and Israel.

No, not even close enough to get elected and it is tilting more against the republicans every election.

And if I was advising Clinton, I would have told her to win last night but keep it close. And I would not unload any new zingers on Trump until later this week/beginning of next week. Keep riding the locker room talk and let it simmer. I was working from home yesterday and I kept hearing on the shows that the Republican leadership was supposed to call a high level meeting today to see what they can do to remove Trump from the ticket. But there isn't enough time to go through with another convention vote and change the ballots. Would it be Pence on a write in campaign? Would they get the other 17 back and re-vote? Could they even force Trump to leave the ticket? It seems at this point that the leadership are going to just stop spending money/effort on Trump and try to save the down ballots from an absolute crushing. And there are some repubs like Pat Toomey that if they walk away from Trump now, they loose all the Trump support, which means he wont have a chance. Damned if he does, Damned if he don't.

Ahh! soo cute!

j/c:

In other news, Ken Bone is losing his virginity tonight.

My friends on the left:

Trumps 12 yr old audio/video sounded like locker room talk to me and I said so before they called it locker room talk. He's a disgusting person but we knew that already so I feel other than hurting him with some voters that this is not going to slow him down that much.

Looking at Facebook this morning the wingnuts are out in force posting for the benefit of Trump. Not seeing much support for Hillary... just saying.

And in my opinion Trump won the 2nd debate, not so much on substance but by limiting further damage and making Hillary look bad with a few very good attacks.

I think Trump took some heavy damage the last week or so, but we've seen him hurt himself so many times and bounce back that I feel very comfortable saying that he is still very much in this race.

Yea?

I wonder what the next bombshell will be before the last debate.

Hillary has done a horrible job using the ammo Trump has provided. During this entire campaign it seems everybody around Hillary is doing a superb job, except her. I said it before, she's being carried to the finish line. It's kind of the exact opposite with Trump. Trump hasn't recieved any help or support and is having to do this all on his own.

Maybe it's because I'm more savage than her, but I'd be nailing Trump left and right with the sexual assault accusations thrown against him. Hillary is just letting Trump pummel her left and right. I don't understand her rope-a-dope strategy being used twice. Trump KNOWS what your game plan is. She didn't make any adjustments and got complacent. She ended up paying for it severely.

Her "taking the high road" is the stupidest damn thing I've ever seen. That would work if you were likable and came across as a victim. Is she just delusional and thinks people like her? Hell no, people just hate Trump.

The Boys were all fired up at the Trump rally in the South this morning...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-n8YW1rrxI&index=1&list=RDi-n8YW1rrxI

Trump has been taking hits for two weeks now.,

First thing I read this morning on Facebook from the Trump Campaign is that he's ahead in every single pole...Do they really think we can't check that out.

I did look and of the polls I had time to review, he was ahead in one (not by much) and behind in maybe 20 or so.

As for Trumps 12 yr old audio/video, the problem to me isn't that he said those things. It's that he also said he's DONE those things (grabbing the P) etc. Also, what bugs me is he denied every doing those things during the debate.

Once I did fact-checking (it's sickening with the number of times they both lied to us) I posted that up the page a little.

What I think we have here is a basket full of deplorable candidates that aren't worth a minute of our time.

I guess if you want the bottom of the barrel, I'd say Trump won the debate, but he's gets an F for style points. He's a gutter rat and she's right there with him.

For posterity since there's no telling how long this will be here.

I sometimes wonder if you are actually reading the same things I post before "claiming victory".

Apparently not, as I never "claimed victory" in any of the post I made.

So yea, thanks for proving that we are most definitely reading two different things.

So anyway, while people are talking about "claiming victory" lol:

Clinton pulled back on a kill shot for a reason: Keep Trump on the ticket
Ben White,CNBC 4 hours ago

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/clinton-pulled-back-kill-shot-145130698.html

Donald Trump survived Sunday night's dark and bitter presidential debate but that's about all he did.

The bar has now been set so low for the GOP nominee that he could do the following on stage in St. Louis and still receive passing grades: suggest that as president he would jail his opponent; defend Vladimir Putin and Russia over the hacking of the U.S. election; praise brutal Syrian tyrant Bashar Assad; admit to not paying federal income tax; and rebuke his own running mate for daring to criticize Russia over the indiscriminate bombing of Syrian civilians.

That's a very partial list.

Trump also lied with enthusiastic regularity, again saying he opposed the second Iraq war before it started (he didn't), claimed his opponent would jack up the tax rate on the middle class (she says she won't) and protested that he did not Tweet at 3 a.m. that people should check out a sex tape featuring a former Miss Universe (he did).

And never mind that Trump spent the first portion of the debate apologizing for a video leaked over the weekend in which he grotesquely bragged about his ability to commit sexual assault because he's a "star." Diving deeply into the gutter, Trump tried to turn the video into a bizarre bank shot attack on Clinton by bringing to the debate women who claim former President Bill Clinton sexually abused them.

Trump, who himself faced a rape allegation from ex-wife Ivana Trump and now faces one from a woman who was 13-years old at the time the alleged act occurred (Trump has repeatedly denied the allegations) argues that Hillary Clinton is worse than he is because she attempted to smear and intimidate Bill Clinton's accusers, though the evidence for that smearing and intimidation is thin to nonexistent.

Trump also spent the debate wandering around the stage and regularly crowding Clinton's space and glowering over her shoulder like a stalker. When asked by a Muslim-American in the audience how he would deal with "Islamophobia," Trump repeated the debunked claim that witnesses saw "bombs all over the apartment" of the San Bernardino terrorists and failed to report it. There is no evidence that anything like this ever took place.

In any normal election season, Trump's debate performance would be graded a campaign-killing disaster. But 2016 is no ordinary year, and Trump was already so gravely wounded, with Republicans across the country rescinding their endorsements, that his ability to avoid a complete meltdown Sunday night ranks as a "win."

And Clinton for her part opted not to go for the kill shot. She mostly laughed off Trump's attacks and declined to bring up the sexual assault allegations against him, instead pivoting to her own vision for the nation's future. The lack of aggression irritated some Democrats who wanted to see Clinton knock down a staggering opponent.

But the high-road approach appeared to work with voters who declared Clinton the winner of the debate in multiple polls. And Clinton may have held back for strategic reasons, preferring to keep Trump alive rather than bait him into campaign killing moments that could drive him off the ticket in favor of Mike Pence . Clinton would likely win in any scenario but a Trump withdrawal would create significant uncertainty in a race that is now tilting back heavily in Clinton's direction.

Even before the explosive video surfaced over the weekend, Clinton had moved back to a nearly 5-point lead in the RealClear Politics average of general election polls. She has taken back the lead in the battlegrounds of Ohio and Florida and now appears to be a lock in Pennsylvania and Virginia. She has many paths to 270 electoral votes, Trump at the moment has none.

All the usual caveats apply. There is a final debate in nine days in Las Vegas. More damaging information could come out about Clinton. External events could shift the landscape in the GOP nominee's favor. But at the moment, the American people appear to have decided that while they may not like Clinton very much, they find her qualified to serve as president while Trump is not.

And Trump did just well enough in the second debate to stagger to the finish line of a race he is almost certain to lose.

She looks like anything but when they show her in the background with that nasty smirk on her face. I'm surprised her campaign folks aren't coaching her not to do that. The cameras seem to be drawn to it.

She needs to not dick around and go for the kill shot in the 3rd debate. She has left a LOT on the table and it may cost her if she keeps doing what she's doing.

I don't think any of these two realize why people don't like or trust them. It's like they're protected by their own bubbles.

She can't be like trump and blow her wad all at one shot.

Besides, society handled trump way better than what Clinton could've pulled off. IMO, of course.

She doesn't need kill shots. Trump seems fully content to suicide shot his own Presidential aspirations.

That smirk has to go though, because it may keep people from voting at all, rather than voting for her.

Probably because taken as a whole, society doesn't actually care all that much about locker room talk. As long as he doesn't have actual victims coming out of the woodwork to say he assaulted her, Trump really has very little to fear about these comments. 1) Everyone already knows what "locker room" talk is and 2) I've had more than woman over the years admit to me that girl's locker room talk is waaaay worse than guys.

Plus, Hillary only has herself to thank. Bill's issues included penetrations and stains and the Clintons were able to make his sexually predatory behavior "no big deal". People upset at Trump for his comments should be furious at Hillary for helping to support the rape culture of the White House in the '90s.

I've said it before, Trump is like the homeless dude who holds the sign that says "I need $$ for beer". That dude makes bank because when people reach in to their pocket they say "well, at least he's honest" and they respect it.

Then you can explain the child rape case against trump then.

He certainly has sexual assault accusations.

And obvious society does care about "locker room" talk, as trump got slammed by damn near everybody in the country.

There's nothing about locker room talk that implies that sexual assault is ok. I've never heard any of my boys say some crap like that.

Hell yea we talk about smashing chicks, but not once have I ever suggested sexual harassment/assault in a conversation.

The locker room talk rhetoric is weak. It's why it doesn't work, and will never work.

Nah. You're just drawn to her. You gotta Hillary crush admit it.

No kidding, and besides locker room talk usually ends before 60 years of age. How anyone can support this trash is beyond me.

Well now, that is quite naive.

What is with Trumps sniffling?
Did anyone notice? It was like he had a nose full of blow.

How can someone say they will jail their political opponents and people still stick up for them?

More acceptable than the other candidate who had an arse full of hot blow!

Short of a miracle that consists of Hillary self exploding in some fashion, or maybe one of the Brietbart or Wikileaks things actually come out and can be proven, I don't see her losing this race.

Really, she can play keep away and she'll sail into the White House perfectly tarnished.

To be fair, he said "if he was president". That would make her no longer a political opponent.

If wikileaks had anything damaging they would have posted it by now. They posted another 20k emails today and it looks like a majority of them were about how the campaign team doesn't like Chelsea.

It appears nobody got your memo.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/polit...stock/91784714/

What? No it wouldn't. Sarah Palin was once a VP candidate, however, even today, she is still a political opponent of Obama.

Any repub who does not vote for Trump is jeopardizing SCOTUS.

Make no mistake, not openly supporting is very different than not voting for. They will vote Trump simply to prevent a liberal SCOTUS.

http://www.wnyc.org/story/jill-harth-accuses-donald-trump-of-sex-assault/

http://www.snopes.com/2016/06/23/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit/

OK. I see it that way. I took "opponent" to mean in the context of this race.

Yes, and most dems would "oppose" a republican president and vica versa.

Perhaps they know it will never happen. If trump managed to pull out a victory, the next day Obama would pardon Hillary for anything relating to what she may have done. Like Bush did Reagan.

Trump should have his Attorney General start writing the arrest warrants.