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Is it bad if I abstain from voting for Trump or Hillary? I don't want to vote Green or Libertarian, either.

Stein touts a ton of anti-scientific views, and Johnson's view on Libertarian principles just won't ever work with human nature.

Does this make me a bad American?

I think voting 3rd party does send a message that people are fed up and looking elsewhere. We know they don't have a chance of winning, but that's the only way to make your vote mean something.

No.

j/c

This is long, but fascinating.

5 people who have known the candidate for decades:


http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/10/donald-trump-2016-biographers-214350

In my state that is solid red, not a swing state, sending that little message isn't going to hurt or help either of the major candidates but it will go into a column where it may do some future good.

Well, I've finally made my decision, I'm voting for Donald Trump on November 28th.

I think that you should vote.
If you don't like any of the candidates (including 3rd party) then cast a vote for Mickey Mouse.

Voting 3rd party or The Ears party tells them that you are out there, you have a vote that you will use, if they can come up with a reasonable candidate.

Not casting a vote will be interpreted by them as you being apathetic about politics and that you wouldn't vote regardless of who was running. Not that that's you, but that is how they will interpret it.

I saw this earlier and thought you were just telling a bad joke. Then I saw that Trump said to get out and vote Nov 28th.

Honest mistake? Is he losing his mind? Angling to get free media coverage knowing that many stations and social media types would cover his 'gaffe'?

Well, when these two women come forward with their sexual allegations against Trump (that they never reported), I will await the commentary similar to accusations against the JG isssue.

Oh wait...... bet they won't come. Doesn't fit the narrative.

Man oh man I hope this isn't true

DONALD TRUMP
'I'LL BE DATING HER IN 10 YEARS' ...
QUIPS ABOUT LITTLE GIRL ON '92 TAPE


http://m.tmz.com/#article/2016/10/12/donald-trump-dating-little-girl-entertainment-tonight-tape/

People's Magazine has a witness testimony that Trump sexually assaulted her.

Move over Herman Cain here comes Gloria Allred AGAIN!

Also, I want to apologize beforehand if anyone wanted a response from me from previous posts. I've been helping with recovery in the south caused by hurricane Matthew. It's been exhausting the last 2 days. I'm emotionally and physically drained. Seeing homes flooded and people needing help really F's with you after 36 hours straight.

Women are coming out about one an hour now against Trump and sexual improprieties.

Stuff like this will take awhile. These magazines are having lawyers comb over every word to not risk being sued.

Trump campaign already said they were thinking about suing the Times if they published. And they published. And then People magazine published their story. And then the Palm Beach paper.
One that would go over well is rhat Trump walked into a teen pageant with 13 to 17 yr Olds in different stages of undress

Question for the audience:

If it looks like Trump is going to lose before Election Day, does Obama play chicken with the GOP over the Supreme Court? Does he give them one last chance to pick his judge or does the GOP risk having to fight off super liberal judges the next 4 years if Hillary wins?

I think out of respect for Obama if HRC wins she will keep Garland as her immediate pick. Now...as for the potential other 3 SCOTUS judges I think she would choose moderate rather than far left candidates.

No apology necessary, hats off to you!

Trump has a week for damage control. Hillary is going to murder him at the next debate over this if she has any brains at all. Don't do any of this "high road" BS. She has the opportunity to finish him with this and needs to take it.

She needs to go on an all out assault with this, Trump University, his ties, and basically anything she has left.

I don't know what to expect from the GOP, at this point.
I'm not certain that they have their house in order enough to even know what they'll do next, on important legislative issues. Pretty much, they've all be thrown into "Damage Control/CMA" lockdown protocol since dude went off the rails.

THIS is the level of chaos that has been introduced into the American Political Process by the ascendancy of Donald Trump.

When they announced that they'd stonewall Merrick Garland's appointment process 6 months ago, I asked the rhetorical question: "What will you do, if this long-shot bet pans out poorly for you?"

I scoured every source I could access for weeks afterward, trying to find something- ANYTHING that indicated to some long-range plan.

I FOUND NOTHING.

I really don't think the GOP had a plan, beyond obstructing Obama's last official duty as POTUS.

Again... nothing- on the entire World Wide Web. And I tried. I REALLY tried.

I then asked the rhetorical question: "What if THE GOP nominee loses in November?" (-don't forget- at this time, the GOP nominee hadn't yet been set. Primaries were still in full swing... and it wasn't yet clear that Donald Trump would be carrying the Republican torch into the election. Bernie was surging as well- so it wasn't yet clear the HRC would be the RNC's torch-bearer, either...)



The only answer I could glean from this paucity of fact and data was this:

The GOP had NO PLAN WHATSOEVER, beyond carrying out Mitch McConnell's game plan, hatched way back in 2009... to obstruct anything and everything that POTUS 44 wanted.

It's the only thing that this vacuum of info suggested.

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I can't say what Obama might do... but I think I know what I'd do:

I'd let things lay as they are. I'd let History record what the 114th congress did/didn't do, and advise Hillary to push Merrick Garland at her earliest convenience. I'd also give her the names of 2 or 3 other appointments I was considering who were even more to the left of Garland, as 'poison pills,' if the 115th flipped to D.

But I've always been enamored of chess far more than checkers, as a person. Truth be told, if the tables were reversed, and I was a departing R under the same conditrions... I'd play the same "long game." I's just how I'm built.

I have no idea what BHO might do in this last 4 months of his presidency. He's surprised me a few times in his 8 years here (giving the 'kill order' on Osama Bin Laden in Pakistan was a total blindside... that must have freaked Putin TF OUT, yo-)... but he's always struck me as the calculating, 'long-game' type. I suppose he'd play it much as I described how I would handle it:

Set the game board.
Hand the pieces off to his successor.
Give recommendations.
Let her play the game out as she sees fit.

As a lame duck POTUS, what else CAN he do?

Chess>checkers.

Trump is "tic-tac"-toe.


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Swish if Trump is guilty of raping a 12 year old girl don't worry. Hillary can defend him in court, blame it all on the 12 year old girl, then laugh because she gets him off with a slap in the wrist. She has already done it before.

I hope so. If she chooses all far left candidates to me that would be un-american and the worst possible thing for the nation. Even if you support all left policies and "think" you know best, a panel like this needs to be made up of people with different experiences and viewpoints to judge things appropriately. If you have all justices slant one way the court would effectively be useless. I would say the same thing if all the judges were republicans.

As I said the other day Donald is a PIG.

That story has been somewhat debunked GM. She did defend a rapist, she did get him off with a lighter sentence I would have thought was right. But she was FORCED to defend him. She was ordered by the court to defend this guy..

IMO, she did her job too well, but it was her job to do.

Fact... She did defend a rapist

Fact... she did blame the girl

Fact.... she did get the guy off with a slap on the wrist.

Fact.... she knew the guy was guilty.

Fact... she has blamed the women her Husband has slept with, and blamed the women her husband was accused of molesting.

Know how can ANY woman, or parent of a young girl vote for her as president

I agree with you. Even though I stand firmly left of center on most social policies I think the SCOTUS' should be moderate. The vast majority of the country whether they be on the right or the left are centerists. The SCOTUS should represent the people and be balanced enough to represent both views but, they shouldn't sit at the extreme as that will disrupt the balance.

Clinton isn't a far left candidate and looking at her record of 30+ years in politics my gut feeling is she believes nominees could come on either side but,they would be moderates. Does Trump believe the SCOTUS should be moderate? Would he look at a Dem if they were the best for the job? What about Cruz if he had been elected? Mute point on Cruz as he isn't the nominee...but, just a hypothetical question.

Personally? I'll be glad when this election is over. It's so over-saturated in the news; it's just too much.

I wish there was a place to vote for "none of the above" on the ballet. That's the only way I'd vote this time 'round.

How about one discussion at a time,, Scorched earth doesn't work for me very well.

Yes, she defended a rapist: She was ordered to

Yes, she did blame the girl, she was defending the guy

Yes, she got the guy off with a slap on the wrist, again, that was her job

I don't know if it's a fact that she knew he was guilty.

As for the husband thing, that's another discussion.

As for any woman that would vote for her, well, same could be said for Trump..,

"right to be believed" removed by Clinton

Verified by snopes

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-right-to-be-believed/

I can't believe the stuff that gets thrown around as fact when, in fact, it's not.

How about Infowars paying people to wear t-shirts or carry signs at Clinton rallies stating that Bill Clinton is a rapist.

Now, he may well be, I honestly don't know. But, he's never been convicted so in the eyes of the law, it's not true.

Between me and you and the fence post, do I believe it's possible, yeah, I do. But until it's proven, isn't it slander?

Or how about all these women coming forward about how Donald Trump Groped them or kissed them or whatever. Again, did I miss his conviction for those things? No, he wasn't even tried.

Now, do I believe it could have happened, you bet I do. Until its proven, isn't it slander?

Lies and innuendo, perhaps based on sound reasoning, but all unproven.

Dang, I hate politics and Politicians.

The level of cheap shots has no limits.

I despise Trump and would NEVER vote for him, but his opponents [Hillary's supporters] have become bigger mud-slingers than the conservatives ever were.............and that is saying something.

Oh I don't know about that Vers, I mean the things we hear coming out of Trump Rallies and from Brietbart and Infowars is just awful

You may or may not like Obama or Clinton, but they aren't demons and they don't smell like Sulfur as the talking head at Infowars insists.

I mean, there has never, at least not in my lifetime so far, where there were worse candidates to chose from. At least I don't believe so.

And the lengths they'll go to to embarrass and put down their opponents seems to know no bounds.

What we have here are two dogs fighting over a bone... that bone being out vote... neither is getting mine.

Credit goes to Swish for this because I didn't even think about it-

Hillary could nominate Obama to be a Supreme Court judge. It has been done before. Look at Taft.

Because she did her job. As much as we hate the scum of the earth, they should still be protected by our laws and our people.

They verified it as true, not false.

Exactly......but....but,,,but..it doesn't fit the narrative.

Who cares? Saying people have a "right" to be believed because they were possibly raped is extremely problematic language for a multitude of reasons.

I care. To have a so called "champion of women" who removes this statement seems a bit ironic to me. But, it fits her protect Billy and demean his accusers.

Wonder if she'll put it back now that Trump has accusers. :-)