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I don't know any of the facts other than what I have read here. . . it looks like this is a bad choice and stinks. Disappointing.

Great/Fair question ........

I lost a ton of respect for the Stilers over Ben .. A TON ... Still rag on my brother til this day about Ben the Rapist ...

With that said ... ENTIRELY DIFFERENT SITUATIONS ... And here's why ....

- Ben was one incident .. Not condoning it ... It was HORRIBLE ... But it was one incident .. Briles was many incidents over YEARS ...

- Ben was what ... 24 or 25 ... Again .. NOT CONDONING IT ... Briles was what ... 45, 50 or even 60?? .. Ummmm .. Again no excuse for Ben ... But u would expect DIFFERENT BEHAVIOR from the OLD MAN whose JOB IT WAS to show these kids the right path ...

- the Rooney's didn't cover crap up .. Briles either did or he wasn't paying enough attention and didn't give a crap about his kids or the VICTIMS .. Everytime I hear a college coach say "I didn't know about it" .. That may be true .. But the reason u don't know about it is because you've either come out and told your staff to shield U from anything "damming" or you've made it abundantly clear u don't want to know about it .. That's a JOKE OF AN EXCUSE ...

ITS YOUR PROGRAM ... U either care about the kids or u don't ...

- it wasn't the Rooney's job to TEACH BEN to be accountable for his actions ... IMO that's Briles #1 job ... That SHOULD BE the job of all college coaches ...

So it begs the question .. WHERE IS BRILES FLOOR? .. What does a kid have to do to get "disciplined" from Briles ... He is suppose to be MOLDING and SHAPING young men .. What he taught them was .... U CAN DO WHATEVER U WANT AND WILL NOT BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE ...

- The Rooney's been doing this the RIGHT WAY for 60 + years now ... We have plenty of track record of them DOING THINGS THE RIGHT WAY ...

- If u remember correctly ... The Rooney's were close to trading Ben ... My guess is they were the only team that would have even considered it ..

Like I said .. Lost a lot of respect for the Rooney's .. BUT THESE ARE ENTIRELY DIFFERENT SITUATIONS ...

THERES 500 other great offensive minds Hue could tap into .. This is a HORRIFICK CHOICE especially after pretending to be "Houlier than Thou" with our players ...

And the fact he wants to learn more about the spread ... SCARES THE CRAP OUT OF ME ...

Hope that helps Rish ... Just because it involves UNNACEPTABLE BEHAVIOR towards women doesn't make it even remotely close to being the same situation ...

Think for a second .. Just don't paint everything with BROAD BRUSHES ...

Some of the best players in the history of the NFL (see Jim Brown) were, and are criminals, cheaters, or both. Yeah, preaching character is fine, and you need high character people on the team to help keep the others straight, but not everyone has to be a paragon of virtue.

This is the second post that suggests that it is somehow okay because other teams are also guilty of bringing in low character people.

I've never agreed w/that line of thinking. It's either right or wrong and "he did it, too" is not an excuse to behave badly.

I don't know what to think. On the one hand, what happened at Baylor was terrible. On the other hand, I don't know who to blame for it. It seems from what I have read that it wasn't strictly a football problem. It's been said that the coach kind of sets the tone for the team, but at the same time the school administration sets the tone for all the coaches. Briles was probably the most well known face at Baylor and made a good scapegoat. I'm not saying he was innocent, but there were other people involved as well.

I feel like it's a cultural problem as a whole. Alcohol advertising is everywhere, and it is filled with sexual innuendo. Then you go to a college campus and it is surrounded by a hundred bars and/or liquor stores. 18-22 year olds mixed with stress, booze, and hormones is a recipe for bad decisions.

Somehow this is the coach's fault? What do you expect him to do? He can't follow around a hundred players everyday. When he hears hearsay of a criminal nature about one of his players what is he supposed to do? Didn't the allegations make it to his superiors? Shouldn't the players be entitled to due process? Obviously justice doesn't seem to have been carried out, but to put it all on Briles seems oversimplified.

Having said that, I'm not sure I would have brought in Briles. However, I don't know Briles personally, and I haven't heard his side of the story. I kind of get the sense that he's one of those guys that spends all of his time in his office thinking football. He can't control anything with the allegations, so he passes them on and gets back to work. I don't think I would want to be a college football coach in today's environment. Being held responsible for a hundred teens' actions is a tough position to be in.

I'm not sure if his offense works as well in the pros as it does in college (I think not) but there may be some concepts we could incorporate. He should have some ideas on the best uses for Corey Coleman.

U know, Briles lost his team. He lost his college credibility. He and his family have gone through the public shaming and he deserved all of those things. I dont believe he should ever be given another head coaching job and he should be to ashamed to even attempt to go back to the college ranks in any regards but If he becomes an assistant here, I have no problem with it.

He wasnt convicted of anything and at some point he like all of us deserves a shot to work and provide. We forgive, its what we do. Give the guy a chance to make a mends for his past misakes.

This wasn't about not following players around. It was about him recruiting players that had previously got into trouble at other places and about ignoring claims of rape. The victims said they were made to feel like they were the ones committing a crime.


Big difference. He's a piece of crap!

I wonder how our female dawgs feel about this? I wonder how some of male fans that have a daughter who plans on going to college feel about this?

We aren't talking about weed. We aren't talking about getting into a fight while drunk. We aren't talking about academic issues.

We are talking about rape. RAPE!!! You don't "forgive" that.

I'm just saying he wasn't the top dog. He ultimately didn't approve those transfers/recruits.

I also don't think he specifically made the young women feel the way they did. Something wrong obviously happened, but to lay it all at Briles feet seems misguided. The fact that his boss, Starr, is still employed by Baylor blows my mind. He was replaced as chancellor, but he's still teaching Theology of all things.

Basically, I kind of see it like a Belichick press conference. He's a football coach, not a criminal prosecutor. He calls the plays, they tell him who can play.

There is a difference between allegations and proven guilt. I don't think it's in a coach's job description to decide that.

Things were definitely mishandled, and Briles could probably have done better. I'm not convinced he's the prime culprit, though.

Are parents held accountable for their children's actions? Why should coaches be for their players?

How low can you go?

He was part of it. He recruited scum-bags and then was part of the process that tried to sweep the rapes under a rug.

Rapes. Not marijuana. Rapes!

Inexcusable.

A quick, complete guide to the Baylor football sex-assault scandal

Last updated at 1:20 p.m., June 1, 2016

At least three Baylor football players (along with a fraternity president) have been charged with sexual assault since 2014, casting a harsh light on the world's largest Baptist university.

Baylor President Ken Starr and football coach Art Briles drew criticism over the handling of sexual assault complaints, with rape victims and others saying the school ignored repeated warnings that star athletes were sexual predators.

On May 26, the university's Board of Regents announced that Starr was being demoted to chancellor and that Briles was indefinitely suspended "with intent to terminate." Four days later, athletic director Ian McCaw resigned. Two days after that, Starr told ESPN he was resigning as chancellor "as a matter of conscience." (Starr remains on the faculty of Baylor Law School.)

A news release about the regents' ruling began with the words, "Board of Regents apologizes to Baylor Nation."

Here’s a look at key figures and events in the turmoil.
'Outside the Lines'

On Jan. 31, ESPN's Outside the Lines broadcast interviews with three women who said Baylor failed to act on their complaints that they’d been attacked by Tevin Elliott, a defensive lineman now in prison for sexual assault.

The report said Baylor provided little support for women who reported sexual assaults, and it implied that the school dragged its feet in hiring someone to coordinate the handling of such complaints.

On May 18, Outside the Lines followed up with a report saying it obtained documents describing "allegations of sexual assault, domestic violence and other acts of violence involving several Baylor football players."

Among the players implicated in the report were:

• running back Devin Chafin, currently a "fourth-year junior"
• cornerback Tyler Stephenson (2010-2013)
• safety Ahmad Dixon (2010-2013)
• defensive lineman Gary Mason, a little-used player who was on the practice squad as a freshman in 2008
• running back Isaac Williams (2008-2011).

All were accused of acts of violence, not sexual assault, except Dixon, who was accused, separately, of both, according to OTL.

The report said coaches and others at Baylor knew about the allegations, yet "most players did not miss playing time for disciplinary reasons." It did not identify the Baylor officials.

It also said Waco police took steps -- in some cases, "extraordinary steps" -- to keep the allegations from coming to light. The report did not identify the Waco police officers.
‘Our hearts break’

On Feb. 7, Starr released a letter addressed to “Dear Baylor Nation” in which he said: “Let me be clear: Sexual violence emphatically has no place whatsoever at Baylor University.”

Starr, citing privacy laws, said he couldn’t discuss the specific claims made by the women interviewed on ESPN.

But he said: “Such despicable violations of our basic humanity contradict every value Baylor lifts up as a caring Christian community. Our hearts break for those whose lives are impacted by execrable acts of sexual violence. No one should have to endure the trauma of these terrible acts of wrongdoing.”

Read Starr's letter here.

Baylor pledged to hire more counselors and investigators, boost patrols by campus police, and expand training for students, faculty and staff.

The university hired a Philadelphia law firm, Pepper Hamilton, to review the school’s policies and procedures for dealing with sexual assault complaints.

On May 13, Baylor's Board of Regents was briefed on Pepper Hamilton's findings. Thirteen days later, the University issued this summary of Pepper Hamilton's findings.

On April 19, Briles disclosed that the school had brought in professionals to help raise athletes' awareness level of issues related to sexual assault and the treatment of women in general.

A sign at the entrance to Baylor's practice field reminded players during spring practice that "Real Men Respect Women."

The players

Tevin Elliott

A defensive lineman in 2011 and 2012, Elliott was convicted in January 2014 of two counts of sexual assault. His victim was a fellow Baylor student, Jasmin Hernandez.


Elliott, who grew up in Mount Pleasant, is serving a 20-year state prison sentence. He turns 25 next month.

On March 30 of this year, Hernandez filed a federal lawsuit in Waco against Baylor’s Board of Regents, Briles and Athletic Director Ian McCaw. The suit claimed Baylor “did not take any action whatsoever to investigate” her claim that Elliott raped her twice at a party in April 2012.

Moreover, it said, the university offered her no counseling or other assistance. When she sought help, the lawsuit said, she was told Baylor’s counseling center and student health center were full.

When her parents tried to call Briles, the suit said, they heard back from the coach’s secretary, who told them the athletic office was “looking into it.”

Interviewed in prison by Outside the Lines, Elliott said the charges against him were false. Football players, he said, “are guilty until proven innocent."



Sam Ukwuachu

The defensive lineman came to Baylor after he was kicked off the football team at Boise State University for unspecified disciplinary violations.

Initially, Baylor fans were intrigued. Little was known publicly about the circumstances of Ukwuachu's departure from Boise State, and on the field, he was a star on the rise. In 2012, his only year with the Broncos, he was a freshman All-American. The Pearland native told a recruiting site how excited he was to return to Texas.

He never played a down for the Bears. As required by NCAA transfer rules, he sat out the 2013 season. Before the 2014 season, he was indicted in Waco on two counts of sexual assault. His victim was a Baylor soccer player.

Last August, he was found guilty and sentenced to six months in jail and 10 years’ probation. He was 22.

Testimony at his trial revealed that months earlier, a cursory internal investigation by Baylor officials had ended with no action against him.

A former girlfriend from Boise State testified that Ukwuachu was violent and abusive. Records obtained by ESPN showed that Boise State officials were alarmed at his erratic behavior and that he’d been diagnosed with a major depressive disorder.
There were conflicting accounts of what Briles knew about Ukwuachu’s troubles before welcoming him to Waco.

Briles said Chris Petersen, then Boise State’s football coach, recommended Ukwuachu and made no mention of the player’s past, other than to say he was depressed and had a “rocky relationship with his girlfriend.”

Petersen, now at the University of Washington, said he “thoroughly apprised Coach Briles of the circumstances surrounding Sam’s disciplinary record and dismissal.

Shawn Oakman

The latest Baylor Bear to fall in disgrace may have had the most to lose professionally.

Until his April 13 arrest on a sexual assault charge, defensive end Shawn Oakman was regarded as an NFL-caliber talent. CBS Sports called the 6-9, 275-pound All-American “a freakish specimen on the hoof… With a physique that makes scouts gush.”
Some sports sites had him pegged as a second- or third-round pick in the NFL draft.

He was not drafted.

With the league already under siege for its perceived leniency toward talented thugs, Oakman was toxic, as Lance Zierlein, a draft analyst for NFL.com, predicted on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/LanceZierlein/status/720387348303708160

A Baylor graduate student told police Oakman attacked her in the early hours of April 3. They’d gone to his duplex, she said, after meeting at Scruffy Murphy’s, a well-known dive near the Baylor campus.

The woman said Oakman took off her clothes, forced her onto a bed and assaulted her.

Oakman told police the sex was consensual.

It was not the first time Oakman was accused of violence toward a woman. On Jan. 10, 2013, according to a Waco police report, a 19-year-old who identified herself as a former girlfriend of Oakman's said she and he were talking about their relationship when he grabbed her “and then shoved her into the brick walls and cabinets."

When she told him he was hurting her, he is alleged to have said, “You think I care?” She added that he called her "a slut and a whore" and said "that she would never be anything to him."

The investigating officer noted in the report that the woman had bruises on both arms and a “swelled up bottom lip."

She declined to press charges and "did not appear to want to give me too much information," the officer wrote.

Oakman was another salvage project brought in by Briles after he’d been dumped elsewhere. Oakman, who’s from Philadelphia, was recruited to Penn State but got kicked off the team as a freshman for shoplifting a hoagie.
In gestures of gratitude to Baylor, Oakman had “second chance” tattooed on the inside of his left arm, and he wore jersey No. 2.

Landing at Baylor, he said in this video, “was the exact thing I needed to become the person I am today."


Art Briles, football coach

The 60-year-old West Texan is venerated in Waco for transforming the Bears from perennial doormats into a national powerhouse.
When he was hired from the University of Houston at the end of 2007, Baylor hadn’t had a winning season in 12 years. By 2010, his high-octane offense, guided by quarterback Robert Griffin III, carried the Bears to their first bowl appearance in 15 years. Briles has since delivered a string of winning seasons, conference titles, top-25 rankings, bowl invitations and dramatic games played on the national stage.

In 2014, the reinvigorated Bears moved from their 63-year-old home field into McLane Stadium, an opulent, $266 million structure on the east bank of the Brazos River.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/201...ootball-program

from what I have read the Waco police were covering up stuff. the school dragged its feet in responding to these women.

What the players did was horrible. and the school and staff did not wish to address it either. Not sure where Briles fits into this scenerio. But to sit there and say he actively went out to recruit those kids with the intent to overlook any wrong doings is absolute horse ...dookie.

Nothing about the scandal is good or acceptable, but to me Briles seems more like the scapegoat for Starr not doing what he should have done. which was to deal with what was going on. and the police covering up things is just blowing my mind.

What and how much Briles knew or didn't know is an unknown. I think he knew more than he stated but idk for sure. the kids not missing any playing time raises an eyebrow.


idk but bringing in Briles was poor PR move for sure.

I'm in no way condoning rape.

That was a poor choice of words on my part, but I only meant I don't know that Briles actively hindered the investigation. I don't know how bad his actions were, but was admitting it appears he didn't do everything he could have.

If the players he recruited had been convicted of rape, they'd have been in jail. Oakman's prior trouble was stealing a hoagie. The Washington transfer I don't know the whole story, but was he ever found to have committed a crime or was it just hearsay at that point?

A lot of coaches recruit players with questionable pasts. Meyer's Florida teams had some terrible people on them. Aaron Hernandez comes to mind.

How specifically was Briles a part of the cover up? I haven't seen specifics anywhere. Or was he just supposed to punish people without all the facts?

Did he pass the complaint to his superiors? If so, what else is he supposed to do? What investigative authority does he have? Can you punish players for something they haven't been charged for/with?

Did someone drop the ball? Definitely. All the cops involved should be out of jobs. Starr shouldn't be a Baylor employee. Briles was already fired, the harshest punishment so far, and he seems the least responsible. He has no legal authority in criminal matters. The authorities are supposed to determine the facts and then the coach can pass down team related punishment.

When comparing college offenses to the NFL I don't think the intent is every to bring the "offense" into the NFL wholesale. Rather, the intent/goal as I imagine it is to bring transferable concepts. We already see that trickle up theory with various concepts: zone-read, pistol, pistol-read option, spread, up-tempo, Run Pass Options.

Briles-Baylor at its core wasn't dissimilar to the Ducks offense. S p r e a d (to run) zone read ultra up-tempo.

The question is which concepts translate?

I know Hue said earlier that they haven't yet run the offense he envisions and the pieces he's assembled on offense suggest a more dynamic offense then the current offense.

Here are some concepts/area Briles could help (besides the obvious of getting Coleman the ball where he likes it):

-Briles spread formations to run the ball. This could help when team try to stack the box to stop the run game

-They have an excellent WR screen game

-Spread the defense so wide that zones almost have to played like man

this is why I really don't mind Briles being here. the painted picture is the people over Briles were more involved then he was. as was the police. I am starting to think he was thrown under the bus.

Mourg - I would never forgive Joe the POS Paterno ... EVER ... What a DISPICABLE HUMAN BEING ....

Briles I would forgive .. ABSOLUTELY FORGIVE HIM ... He's NEVER EVER WORK FOR ME THOUGH ... Sorry man ... NOT WORKING FOR ME ...

You can spin it any way u want .. Bet if one of the girls was your daughter, niece or even a friends daughter YOU'D FEEL A HELL OF ALOT DIFFERENT!!

It's really really sad .. People have way more empathy for the actual CRIMINAL than the VICTIMS ....

If he did his JOB there's no doubt some of these SEXUAL ASSUALTS and ASSUALTS could have been PREVENTED ...

Girls got RAPED because he didn't have the HUMAN DECENCY to not only KICK THEM OFF THE TEAM but to make sure they were HELD ACCOINTABLE and an HONEST INVESTIGATION TOOK PLACE ...

Instead who the hell knows what he did .. What we do know is WHAT HE DIDN'T DO ... Not one was it his job it was also his HUMAN OBLIGATION .. Are u KIDDING ME ..

And it's simply the RIGHT THING TO DO ..

And I agree Mourg he does need to eat ... He can go work at MCDONALDS for all I care ..

This guy is BAD NEWS .. Not the type of guy I want to be LEARNING FROM .. NO WAY ..

Hue and the FO just made a HORRIBLE MOVE ....

I don't think that he is being paid while he's here.

I am torn because he did stand by (at the very least) while some really disgusting stuff was going on.

On the other hand, he does have a rather brilliant football mind.

Maybe this whole experience humbles him. Who knows?

I remember when there was a release of court testimony that said that Greg Schiano knew of the sex abuse at Penn State, but did nothing about it. That kind of stuff is also hard for me to accept.

I guess the best I can say is that at least the Browns didn't hire Briles. I admit that it is hard for me to accept it when people like this are, in any way, associated with the Browns. On the other hand, as a Christian, I believe in forgiveness. I don't know Briles heart. I don't know if he has apologized for any part he played ...... and if he has, if he really meant it. However, some college coach is going to wind up hiring Briles, and this will, eventually, disappear from the conversation.

I don't have an easy answer for this one. It certainly feels sleazy ...... but I don't know the man, and I don't know what conversations he ahd Hue had before he was invited to be a "guest".

It also said Waco police took steps -- in some cases, "extraordinary steps" -- to keep the allegations from coming to light. The report did not identify the Waco police officers.
‘Our hearts break’


why do we ignore this^

yeah, like most of these instances, it's multi-sided

j/c:

Sadly, I am not that surprised that some of our fans are trying to deflect attention away from Briles' crimes and defend the Browns for bringing him in.

Art Briles. How much can he really help? People are willing to look the other way [just as he--and many others did] in order to have a better football team.

I think that there are a lot of fans of a lot of teams who think the very same way as some of the dawgs on here and that is why we have situations like Baylor........where innocent young girls are raped and abused while attending a so-called higher educational institution.

Who cares if the young women are forever ruined and/or scarred? Their well-being is nothing when it compared to winning football games.

Well, it's Texas.... where they love football, guns and God.
In that order.

Texas also gave us Manziel and Gordon.

Hate to say it, but when character stopped mattering from the highest office (literally on the planet) things like this are going to happen.

Winning doesn't (or shouldn't) matter as much as doing the right thing.

Y-Town - U don't know the man's heart .. He stood by and did NOTHING about YOUNG GIRLS GETTING RAPED so he could win football games ... What more do u need to know? ..

Where's the gray area here ... I see TONS and TONS of black and white ...

LOTS OF VILLIANS IN THIS ONE ...

4 Life - MULTI SIDES? ... NOT EVEN CLOSE .. The only thing MULTI about this one is the amount of people that should be held accountable for being SCUMBAGS ..

If I was in charge ... Not only would the cops be fired but I would have sent a loud and clear message and found a way to arrest everyone involved in the cover up and charge them with SOMETHING ...

Obstructing justice ... Conspiracy after the fact ... Anything I could get them on ...

The behavior them GUTLESS BASTARDS all exhibited is DISGUISTING ...

They chose MONEY over YOUNG GIRLS LIVES ...

What else is there to know? ...

We haven't had much success in those parts as of late

Look, I've said I wouldn't have brought Briles in.

But, what actual crime did Briles commit?

The players should be punished. The cops involved in the coverup should be punished. The support staff that ignored the women should be punished. Briles has been punished.

I haven't seen anything that directly ties Briles to the cover up. Could it be out there, yes, but I think I would have seen it if it was.

What happened was horrible, and someone was needed to blame. Briles was a public face and was in some way tied to the terrible events. He became a focus for the rage, perhaps somewhat unfairly. It was an entire school problem. It was a campus wide culture problem. The numbers show that football players weren't committing such heinous crimes at a higher rate than the rest of students on campus, yet everyone is for some reason focused on Briles. Not the players that committed the acts, not the cops that miscarried justice, not the systemic failures, but a guy who is ancillary to several of a much larger number of cases.

I haven't seen you complaining about Urban Meyer at Ohio State recently.

Link

Check out Carl Johnson on that list.

The investigation checking out part is what gives me a little pause. Was Briles waiting for the investigation? Did the cops tell him the players were in the clear? How exactly did it work? Who knew what when?

Could Briles be a terrible human being? Yes. But I also think he could be victim of a rush to judgement.

I really don't think Briles will help us win many more games, and I wouldn't have brought him into the Browns. I also think the court of public opinion is sometimes wrong.

Grimm - I'm done here after this post .. I've made my points .. No sense saying the same things 30 more times ... And I certainly don't want to read anymore of this crap ... I get depressed at the state of our country when a man covers up rape and it's "OK" cause he lost his job and others were involved ...

So your defense of this man who KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON is that there were so many other people involved in the COVER UP he is somehow RELIEVED OF any responsibility ..

Ya .. OK ...

And that's why this country is GOING UP IN FLAMES .... No ones held accountable for what they do .. All we do as a society today is POINT THE FINGER AT OTHERS ...

IF he had the HUMAN DECENCY to do the right thing and bring the FIRST RAPIST to justice ... OTHER COLLEGE AGED GIRLS WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN RAPED!!!

THEY SHOULD ALL BE PUNISHED .. And him losing his job is like making someone do 8 weekends of community service for COLD BLOODED MURDER ..

Sorry guys ... But if a rape happens in my world and I know about it .. COVER UPS ARE out of the question ... Good luck with your world ..

U all have fun defending this POS ... He ALLOWS RAPE to continue and u guys want to BLAME OTHERS ... When the FACT IS .... There's PLENTY OF FOLKS that should have PAID for there part in the cover up ..

PRISON sounds better to me than being a "guest" at anything other than a RAPE VICTIMS MEETING!!!!

Did he "know what was going on", or did he "know what was alleged"?

If he knew the guys were guilty, I'm with you.

I hadn't seen that from a reliable source. I have seen lots of conjecture from people with no direct knowledge.

I certainly hope that I would do something about it if I were in his situation.

I look at a coach, who has to win in order to keep his job, and who did what he thought would help him win the most games. Unfortunately, teams/schools almost never give a coach credit for doing the moral thing, especially if it results in the team losing games they otherwise could have won. It sucks, but it is the truth.


I am reading the timeline of the case now. This report seems to indicate that there was an entire system of abuse at the university, and that it went way over the head of Briles. I do see that he allowed Sam Ukwuachu to take part in "certain team activities" which could mean anything from practice to meetings. I am not sure that a kid under indictment shouldn't be allowed to practice until he is found guilty. Much of the rest sure looks like a systematic problem, going all the way up the university system, and into the Waco police. That is horrible. Ever claim of violence, sexual or not, should be thoroughly investigated, and it sure seems that this was absolutely not the case. I am disturbed my the fact that Briles brought Ukwuachu to the team, but maybe he felt he should get a 2nd chance. Who knows? There were people on this board who wanted the Browns to sign the Ravens RB, whose name escapes me, who beat up his girlfriend on camera. I think that the "win at all costs" mentality leads to people doing some really stupid stuff in cases like these.

I am reading the link about other cases, and many of them indicate a systemic failure to investigate reports of [censored]. SI.com offers a timeline of the reports and allegations that came to define the last few months in Waco.

August 17-20, 2015

Texas Monthly and Deadspin both report Baylor defensive end Sam Ukwuachu had been indicted on June 25, 2014, on two counts of sexual assault against a female Baylor student athlete. The charges had not been mentioned publicly by Baylor officials, but Ukwauchu had still been allowed to participate in certain team activities following the indictment. The reports also allege that Ukwuachu had transferred to Baylor from Boise State in 2013 after being kicked off the Broncos team for a previous incident of violence against a female student. Furthermore, the reports alleged Briles was aware of the circumstances surrounding Ukwuachu’s departure from Boise State.

August 21, 2015

Ukuwachu is found guilty of sexual assault by a Texas court. Ukwuachu is sentenced to 180 days in county jail, 10 years of felony probation and 400 hours of community service. Ukwuachu is ordered to register as a sex offender. The following October he is denied Ukwuachu a new trial.

September 2015

Following Ukwuachu’s conviction, Baylor’s Board of Regents announces the hiring of Philadelphia law firm Pepper Hamilton to “conduct a thorough and independent external investigation into the university’s handling of cases of alleged sexual violence.”

January 2016

ESPN’s Outside the Lines reports several instances in which Baylor “either failed to investigate, or adequately investigate, allegations of sexual violence.” School officials at times “did not provide support to those who reported assaults.” In one instance, Baylor took more than three years to comply with a federal directive to hire a full-time Title IX coordinator, receiving the directive in April 2011 and not hiring a coordinator until fall 2014.

• NIESEN: The system at Baylor is broken

April 13, 2016

Former Baylor All-America defensive end Shawn Oakman is arrested on charges of sexual assault. A Baylor graduate student told police that Oakman "forcibly removed" her clothes and then forced her into his bed before sexually assaulting her earlier that month. According to a Rivals.com report, Oakman had previously been accused of assaulting an ex-girlfriend in 2013. The alleged victim declined to press charges and Oakman was not disciplined by Baylor, per the report.

April 14, 2016

ESPN’s Outside the Lines reports Baylor took two years to investigate a sexual assault report made against two football players. That lag in response time clashed with federal law, which requires schools to immediately address allegations of sexual violence involving students. According to police reports, the Waco Police Department informed Baylor officials about an incident involving football players Tre'Von Armstead and Shamycheal Chatman in 2013. But documents and interviews revealed Baylor did not begin looking into the allegations until September 2015. Neither Armstead nor Chatman was charged with a crime.

May 13, 2016

Baylor announces it has received the full report from Pepper Hamilton’s investigation, adding that the Board of Regents “will carefully consider the information provided in the briefing and determine how to decisively act upon Pepper Hamilton’s findings and recommendations.”

May 18, 2016

The Star-Telegram in Fort Worth, Texas, reports Baylor’s Board of Regents is expected to retain football coach Art Briles, but his firing is being considered “as the final solution” to the scandal.

• STAPLES: Football success not enough to save Baylor

May 19, 2016

ESPN’s Outside the Lines reports largely unknown “allegations of sexual assault, domestic violence and other acts of violence involving several Baylor football players.” The report alleges some Baylor officials knew about the incidents but “most players did not miss playing time for disciplinary reasons.” One alleged victim told Outside the Lines she had never been contacted by Pepper Hamilton during its investigation. The report also alleges a potential cover-up by the Waco Police Department.

May 24, 2016

Chip Brown of Horns Digest reports Baylor’s Board of Regents has decided to remove Ken Starr as university president and chancellor after six years and offer him a position in Baylor’s law school.

May 26, 2016

Baylor releases the findings from Pepper Hamilton’s external review of the school’s Title IX response processes. As part of the findings, Baylor announces Briles has been “suspended indefinitely with intent to terminate” after eight seasons as head football coach. The university also removed Starr as university president and said athletic director Ian McCaw has been sanctioned and placed on probation. “We were horrified by the extent of these acts of sexual violence on our campus. This investigation revealed the University's mishandling of reports in what should have been a supportive, responsive and caring environment for students,” said Richard Willis, chair of the Baylor Board of Regents.

More information here:

Waco police records reveal additional violence allegations against Baylor football players
http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/...ootball-players

You obviously have addressed this to me by mistake.

I am not defending him but I can not find any CRIMES he was CONVICTED of, I would appreciate any links to them. How long did he spend in jail for his crimes?

You have guys like Ray Rice, AD, Mike Vick that were welcomed back in the NFL was Briles convicted of a crime worse than them?

Ben Roth wasn't convicted but accused of several abuse charges and is being considered for the HOF.

Just because you aren't convicted of anything doesn't mean you didn't you anything wrong.

While certainly true, a person is presumed innocent until proven guilty. I'm not commenting on Briles directly as I don't have the facts...

True but just because someone was accused doesn't mean that they are guilty of anything.

I don't know ALL the FACTS do you?

Rape is a crime. I don't think anyone disputes that. To me that means that it's a police matter. Did the coach stop the police from doing their jobs? I read the word allegations of rape but I don't read convicted. Did I miss something? I've got the flu so probably did.

Anyways IMHO it's the police job to handle these things not the college. The college should have nothing to say about it period except to cooperate with any investigations and get out of the way of the police.

Was briles convicted of any crimes? If not then let the man work. Too many people get blackballed from their profession on hearsay and without ever having been convicted of anything real.

j/c:

I can't even read any more of these disgusting posts that are defending the guy. Sickening. I will remember all the folks who have defended him, though. And, at this point.........I will be rooting against the Browns until that scum-bag is out of town.

Come on bro, I don't see a lot of people defending specifically him, but more of defending Hue for bringing a guy like him in.

He brought him in to pick his mind about football. That's it. He didn't bring him in to be a life coach to the players or something like this.

Joe Banner and Mike Lombardi are gone and out of town all is good!