DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Everything Else... Election Thread #13: November 8th needs to just arrive already

24 Days away.

I am hoping that Election Day ....... 2020 ... gets here soon, so we can vote out whoever wins this miserable election.

All of these sexual allegations really bother the heck out of me though. People showing up at the lest moment to claim things against one candidate or the other is very difficult. In remember when Herman Cain was running, and all of a sudden numerous women came out of nowhere claiming that he had sexually harassed them. That destroyed his candidacy, and then they all disappeared.

The timing of these things .... and the way they are used politically bothers me a great deal. It almost seems like all of this was held back, and then used when it would be most useful politically. In fairness to Trump, he really has no chance of defending himself of this stuff given that there are only 3 weeks left until the election. I have no doubt that the man acts like a pig with women, and that has made these allegations more believable, to be sure. However, he is judged guilty, and he really has no time to even try to prove his innocence. This seems to be out politics today, that "gotcha" outweighs everything else. (and I am not dismissing these women, just saying that the timing is ... convenient)

I'll make a prediction that when this election is over we are going to see the biggest un-friending campaign in the history of facebook take place.

no doubt

Didn't they do this to Herman Cain too?

Here's an interesting exchange between Mark Paustenbach, Luis Miranda, and Christina Freundlich (three high ranking members in the Democratic National Committee.)

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/12803

Essentially, Christina Freundlich emails the other two about posting a *fake* Craigslist job opening post. In this *fake* post, there are numerous references to fat-shaming, being open to humiliation, sexual harassment, and inferences to quid pro quo and it ends with a section about sending your resume to a Trump email address. Again, this is fake, invented entirely by the DNC and the Trump organization had nothing to do with this.

Luis Miranda okays it by saying, "As long as all the offensive [censored] is verbatim I’m fine with it."

In light of slimy tactics like this, how are we supposed to take some of these accusations seriously? Who is to say that someone from the DNC is not slipping an envelope or three of cash for people to 'come forward' with accusations. If nothing else, these suits being filed in civil court decades after the alleged abuse happened is very disconcerting. That's not to say that they are false, I do not know what did or did not happen, but I share your opinion that these lawsuits coming a month before the most hostile election I've ever seen is curious timing, to say the least.

They would claim it's a body double.

What are your thoughts on high-ranking members of the DNC discussing posting disturbing and fake online job offerings in Trump's name? Is that acceptable behavior?

The DNC's behavior has been deplorable at best. However, what does that have to do with Hillary herself?

I have read rumors of both candidates doing/saying very nasty things. If such videos exist and they come out, so be it. We'll discuss it when that happens.

Until then, as a general rule, let's say that the more a video has to be hyped the less likely it is to exist.

Hhmmm...let's see, it was the result of a video. Worked for steel dragon but for a while. Bbbaaaaa!!!!!

What I wrote above does not directly implicate Hillary.

Look Haus, when you claim your party represents the evangelical community and the moral majority, you set yourself up for a higher standard and ridicule.

If you wish to show that you're no better than the Dems., maybe your party should quit making false claims.

That's not groping! My hands are too small!

I don't think either side can really claim to have the moral high ground. This election season has been despicable in a number of ways.

I also don't see why it is so hard to admit that what these DNC officials did is seriously screwed up.

Oh I admit it. They both suck. The people running their campaigns suck.

What I won't do is vote for either of these candidates. A candidate has to win and earn my vote. Neither of these two are worth voting for. People putting up arguments claiming they are appear to be fools in my eyes.

People need to quit acting like one is better than the other and face the fact they are both morally bankrupt.

He'd say that it was illegal to hack those videos and the Russians altered them.

And that's how you justify the double standard? It's ok to be a sexual predator if you are a Democrat because they don't claim a moral superiority or even moral compass? That can't possibly be what you are saying... please tell me I'm wrong!!!

Look, either sexual assault/abuse is an issue or it isn't this election. If it is, then Hillary needs to be held in the same contempt as Trump for her years of enabling Bill's sexual predatory behavior and victim blaming. There's actual, confirmed evidence of all that.

Ok, then I saw this posted... you answered my question!

I'm just curious why Hillary is getting a pass on this topic (not specifically by you, but the conversation in general)

And there is actual proof that Donald Trump raped a 12 year old girl and told her to have an abortion.

What is the actual proof that happened?

I didn't know the Dems were running a sexual predator for president in 2016. Please do tell.

Her word and the person who witnessed DJT rape a 12 year old that, his friend and fellow Child Rapist, Jeffery Epstein recruited for him.

Naw, they're just running someone that trashes the victims of one and defended another in court.

Oh God someone got defended in court. It's almost like that's suppose to happen.

You ARE aware of Bill Clinton's friendship with the same Jeffrey Epstein right?

Yes. Can you stop thinking I'm pro-Clinton. It's kinda tiring.

You know damn well Bill didn't have sex with Hillary intentionally she had to have molested him

I don't think you're pro-Clinton. I'm just amazed at how many people are taking Trump to task for his behavior, the current subject which is mostly alleged by conveniently timed victims, yet Hillary has been complicit in Bill's abuse for decades.

It goes back to my point that either this is a campaign issue or it isn't. I'm in no way suggesting that Trumps behavior is excused by Hillary's. If we're going to call one a deviant for his behavior, then she needs to be held to the same standard and taken to task for what she's done.

That's all.

I'm not voting for the first time in my adult life. There's very little that embarrasses me about being an American. But I am embarrassed the American People have allowed this cesspool of an election to happen.

People are taking Trump to task for his behavior. btw, he does brag about sexually assaulting women in his past. He loves to do it. Implies he does it regularly. It's much harder to take HRC to task for what Bill did. Mainly because we don't know how complicit she was in any of Bill's abuses or what those abuses were. It's not like she was placed on top of a 13 year old who she tied up to a bed post. Ya know?

Allowed?

We enabled this to happen. We're the REASON it happen.

The people in government is nothing more than a reflection of the American people.

None of these politicians do what they do without the backing of the American people in the first place.

When you're acting embarrassed, make sure you and others are looking in the mirror. The politicians are only doing what the American population ask of them.

All the hatred and divide in politics is a direct reflection of us as citizens at the base.

Trump and Clinton are only the top two candidates because YOUR and my ideology voted for them.

Allowed. As if we turned a blind eye to it or something.

Lol, the American people WANT this to happen. If that wasn't the case, then our current two candidates wouldn't be here in the first place.

Get off your imaginary high horse. You and others are just as much as a problem as everybody else.

Ok, but what is the actual proof?

Is there DNA evidence (from the baby, fetal tissue, or the kind that led to Bill Clinton being impeached)?

Is there video?

Was there a police report filed at the time that contains any evidence or testimony?

Is there anything other than a civil lawsuit filed more than 20 years after this incident allegedly occurred, with one witness to corroborate it? I mean, what's really the difference between that and say, two people who hate Hillary making some wild accusation against her?

Please forgive the questions, but it is a big accusation and I'd like to get all the facts before making any conclusions.

Anyways,

Back to campaign strategy.

Somebody from Trumps camp should've told him already that the only kid allowed to speak in public is Ivanka.

Eric just made that claim that women should be able to tolerate some level of sexual harassment in the work force.

I dunno what drug he was on that he thought that was an ok thing to say, but trumps own kids, as well as his spokesmen are absolutely ruining his chances of getting any sort of female votes.

You are not pro-Clinton.. That much is true.

I haven't read those comments so I can't really... comment on it.

Just for the record though, are the words/actions of immediate family members relevant to the candidates or not? I feel like that is applied inconsistently around here.

No, there was no police action taken as DJT and Epstein threatened to murder her and her family if she were to inform law enforcement. Honestly, there's really no more evidence than what Juanita, Paula Jones and Kathleen Wiley have against Clinton.