DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Hue Brought in Art Briles To Helo With Offense

yea...it was all Briles...not the police or Starr's fault at all, just Briles...the bengals colors are close to ours...I am sure they have a forum you can post an cheer on.

Just a knee jerk comment. He also said he was going to root for the Spurs after the Cavs fired David Blatt.

Why is he apologizing if he did nothing wrong? Why did the school fire its biggest meal ticket?

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What was he convicted of in a court of LAW?

What law did he break?

Explain to me why Art Briles was fired? Also, what is he apologizing for here:

http://www.espn.com/college-football/sto...ch-baylor-bears

Nothing he was never convicted of anything. You are the one saying he did something what do you thing he did?

Did he do anything worse than Big Ben, Ray Rice, Mike Vick or A Peterson?

explain why the police are not to blame? what about Starr? why is it only Briles?
when something happens at my sons school I don't go straight to his teacher about something that happened at recess I go to the principal/ deans office.

More than one person can be at fault.

thank you, exactly my point...why is it only Briles is being put on the cross? imo Briles was the scapegoat so the that guy who runs the school can keep his job. Briles was not the main player is this, in my opinion.

Right. But he was in charge of the football program when the players were left to do whatever they pleased. That is on him.

And the other guys were not brought in to help our offense.

I don't like that my team is associating itself with Briles. That's it.

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Did he do anything worse than Big Ben, Ray Rice, Mike Vick or A Peterson?

how in the world is Briles even associated with this team?

does Ethics even matter at all...Briles is such a guy of poor character...there is simply no excuse NONE for what he done at Baylor...he should never hold another position in any football league from pop warner to pro's...he gave up his chance when he betrayed those who depended on him.

this is outright sickening, and im deeply disappointed the Browns would allow him to have anything to do with the team....

Look at who the owner is of the Browns. Scum is drawn towards each other.

Briles filed suit against the university for wrongful termination and the 2 sides came to a financial settlement in mid-June.


Browns Coach Hue Jackson Believes Art Br...or’s At Baylor’

It's saddening to see we brought in Art Briles to manage our offense, especially since he couldn't manage a bunch of children.

Luckily we're not having him manage a team, just being a guest assistant with the offense. He did manage to have Baylor at 1 out of 128 in the FBS in points scored in 2015.

I'm also not sure about the managing children angle. Teaching football to 18-20 somethings (not children in most senses) he seemed to do okay. I wouldn't want him running a daycare center, but talking football how much harm can he do? They let people convicted of DUI's speak to teens. He's a guest assistant not even a position coach. He's basically doing what Chad Johnson did (I think?) Are we even paying him?

According to some people, he did a pretty good job of managing the Waco police department which personally I haven't seen supported by facts.

I wouldn't have brought him in, but I don't think he is either the devil or a saint. The truth, like for most people, probably lies somewhere in between.

However, the optics are bad, and we don't need any more negativity around the team.

They aren’t paying him and he has no title with the team,

Browns Coach Hue Jackson Believes Art Br...or’s At Baylor’

thank you Vambo

J/c

Has the conversation drifted to Xs and Os yet?

Why would it?

Nor, should it.

The guy was part of a cover-up where young college students were raped. Football is NOT that important. I get that we have 3 or so posters defending the guy, but look at who they are. It's not surprising they would defend a scum-bag like Briles.

Relevance?

What does a financial settlement mean when it comes to guilt or innocence? Donte Stallworth reached a financial settlement, does that mean the guy he hit with car is no longer dead?

It might go to X's and O's because this thread is in the "Pure Football" forum.

You are right that football is not that important, but this is a football message board rather than a political/social activism forum. The audience affects how you frame messages.

How specifically was Briles a part of the cover up? I haven't seen that information. Did he recruit players who weren't saints? Yes, but name a coach that doesn't/hasn't. Most football coaches think they can fix about anything. Are these "bad" prospects not going to commit crimes if they have more free time and fewer prospects of a successful future? We'd definitely hear less about it if they weren't football players, but would not being football players prevent the crimes?

I'm not specifically defending Briles, I'm trying to promote the legal process being able to run its course. Could Briles have done more? Yes. Could the perpetrators teammates have done more? Yes. Could their parents have done more? Yes.

What is a coach supposed to do? His job is to coach football. Why there is the expectation that coaches should be all knowing, all seeing morality police is beyond me. Lots of things led the young men to make the decisions they did that occurred well before they ever met Briles. Ultimately people make their own decisions.

Can anyone really make anyone else do anything?

The focus just seems misguided to me. Blame the individuals that committed the acts. Abhor the vile actions.

Don't like Briles, that's fine. I don't think very highly of him as a person. I just think he's getting an inordinate amount of the spotlight rather than the "real"/underlying/bigger issues.

Did the NBA, Chicago Bulls, New York Knicks, Kentucky, Calipari, etc. enable Derrick Rose? I don't see the focus on his coaches.

If Briles participated in a cover up, which I haven't actually seen evidence of, he should be charged and tried as an accessory.

No, but it may speak to how much at fault he was...

Simple fact is that college and pro sports are huge business.. money is made by winning.. the jobs of those responsible are rewarded for winning.. As long as that is the business model, people are going to do what they need to do to win.. Guys like Big Ben and Kobe are going to get second chances because they have many years of useful life left, guys like Ray Rice will not and we can say we are taking a stand but simple fact is, Ray Rice was on the backend of his career and didn't have the value.. if he had the value, he would have had a job and teams would have justified it and given prepared statements about second chances and forgiveness.

I hate the way trying to explain things is often seen as excusing it on this board. There is no excuse for what Briles did.. as far as him being here, I'm more concerned that Hue feels like he needs him than anything else.. is he saying the staff he assembled isn't getting it done?

That was a long post, but just in case you didn't get the message last time...........I am no longer reading your posts. You went too far on Ewwwww Meter.

I'm not defending him either. The team could have let him go for "just cause" without paying him anything. That they made a settlement agreement with him to stop his lawsuit is reason to wonder just how provable guilty he was. Meaning, did "just cause" exist?

Whatever, I don't see why we need him here.

Or that a lot of other people were just as guilty as him and it was easier to stroke a check than have all of THAT come out in court.

I know what you are saying.. these settlements often muddy the water and we never really know what the motivation on either side was to settle.


I agree... especially "here" where we are trying so hard to change the culture. It's not a good look.

j/c...

As expected, this bad P.R. move didn't last long...


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Ex-Baylor coach Art Briles is no longer spending time with #Browns. He was here last week as coach Hue Jackson's guest. Not here this week.

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yeah, figured

Awesome. I'm so glad that scum-bag is gone!

I will be rooting for the Browns to win again.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/sto...ice-allegations

Didn't look like he helped much anyway did it?

I left this thread awhile ago .. sorry, if this has all ready been posted ... thought it may be relevant if it hadn't all ready been posted ..

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2016/10/29...c-assaults.html

Nineteen Baylor football players were accused by 17 women of sexual, domestic assaults

WACO, Texas – An outside investigation of the Baylor University sexual violence scandal found 17 women who had reported sexual or domestic assaults involving 19 Baylor University athletes since 2011, university regents have told The Wall Street Journal.

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Those included four reports of gang rapes, the Journal reported in a story posted to its website Friday.

The investigation by the Pepper Hamilton law firm in Philadelphia found some players were alleged to have participated in what one regent called a "horrifying and painful" series of assaults over several years. The regents said then-Baylor football coach Art Briles knew of at least one reported incident but didn't inform police or school officials.

Baylor previously had said the review found that the football program operated as if it were above the rules. However, the university had released few details from the Pepper Hamilton report. That led to increasing public demand, especially among alumni and Baylor critics, for transparency.

"There was a cultural issue there that was putting winning football games above everything else, including our values," said J. Cary Gray, a lawyer and regent of the Southern Baptist university. More generally, "we did not have a caring community when it came to these women who reported they were assaulted, and that is not OK," Gray told the Journal.

Briles and Baylor's athletic director were fired earlier this year. President Ken Starr was removed from his post by regents and he later resigned as chancellor.

Two days before his firing, Briles was called before the regents to discuss the scandal, Gray said. "Art said, 'I delegated down, and I know I shouldn't have. And I had a system where I was the last to know (of the assault allegations), and I should have been the first to know,'" Gray told the newspaper.

Briles' attorney, Ernest Cannon of Stephenville, Texas, said his client never discouraged any victims from filing complaints against players. He also said Baylor's regents appeared to be violating a non-disparagement clause that was part of the settlement agreement his client signed with the university.

Cannon also accused the regents of scapegoating Briles for Baylor's overall failure to maintain a strict Title IX program to guard against sexual discrimination. Numerous lawsuits alleging violations of the federal Title IX laws allege such an overall failure.

"They are pulling their own house down to justify the mistakes they made. He's the football coach" with no responsibility to enforce Title IX requirements, Cannon said.

"That's their job," he added, referring to university administrators.

Earlier this month, Patty Crawford, Baylor's former Title IX coordinator, resigned and said top campus leaders undermined her efforts to investigate sexual assault claims and were more concerned with protecting the Baylor "brand" than the students.

She also noted the sexual violence problem was a campus-wide issue not limited to football. The university has said football players were involved in just over 10 percent of all alleged Title IX violations in the four years ending with the 2014-15 school year.

In response, Gray said, "Football is a fraction, but it is a bad fraction."

The regents' statements failed to impress Crawford's attorney, Rogge Dunn of Dallas, who argued they continue to try to shape the narrative surrounding the scandal and protect the Baylor image. He told The Associated Press that the full story will not come until those concerned are placed under oath.

"Baylor's never going to get past this until it has full transparency," Dunn told the AP Friday night.

i have no remorse for him ... especially given his apology attempts

So glad that scum bag is gone.

baylor just lost too

http://deadspin.com/baylor-confirms-art-...dium=socialflow

I've never heard of the court Deadspin. What county are they in? Fact of the matter is he's never been proven guilty in a court of law so he must have never done anything wrong... Even if there is a felonious odor around him that melts the ozone layer above him. I'm going to close my eyes and ears now as we allow boys to be boys.

Just locker room talk.

I know it is not realistic at all, but I'd bring in Mark Helfrich to help with the offense in some sort of official capacity.