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Kessler was really gutsy today. Showed more development and willingness to go down field. Puts the ball in play for his WR'ers to make a play.

The defense is just....god awful. People were in LOVE with Kindred, but he and Campbell cost us a game today by just poor play.

Cameron Erving, I believe, can be called a bust at this point. Time to move on. Hope he got a good education at FSU, because Football isn't for him.

Worst call on the 2 point conversion. Made NO sense at that point in time due to the need of 2 scores if not converted. Math and analytics just don't add up.

Kessler will make a solid backup QB

Hue made a huge mistake going for 2 when he did. That screwed the pooch the rest of the way. I'm not saying we would have got 2 after the 2nd TD, but I think you always keep your hopes alive as long as you can.

No one can tell me that Erving was not a downgrade this week ..... but losing Bitonio almost forced us to play him. He was awful, and there were far too many explosions right through the middle of our line this week.

We have to be able to run the ball,and we were completely incapable of doing so. I think that this also comes back to the OL.

We had a couple of drops.

I think that Kessler played a legitimately pro game today. He did about all he could. There were little things that don't show up unless you're looking for them. like receivers running along the sidelines and allowing themselves to be pinned so they stand no chance of making a play. I saw that happen a few times today.

There are a lot of "young player" problems. We lost Haden before the game, and then lost Poyer during the game. Now I am not a big Poyer fan, but his absence meant that we had yet another rookie (Tracey Howard, who took over for Poyer)in the game.

I am absolutely shocked at how a team that is so young has been so snake-bitten by injuries. It is flat out scary.

Erving is very bad. Looks lost all the time. He should be depth only until we can unload him on somebody.

Kessler has shown enough for me to be happy with QB for now. Let's develop him and see what we have at the end of next year.

We have a lot of holes, but we also have a lot of injuries, so maybe not as many holes as it seems. We definitely need a good draft.

I( think Hue has done enough to earn the next two-three seasons. Horton is the weak link, I hope he improves the D.

I thought Kessler played well. Pryor is fantastic. We need a legit #2 - Hawkins is a slot guy and Louis had a tough day but hopefully he can learn and improve. I don't know if we called it all day but man, we need to be able to run the ball. It'll help our QB.

Our run defense is way improved.

The math is that if you fail the 2pt conversion earlier, you have a better chance to play for the win later.

In reality, in a 15 point game, it didn't matter when it happened, it was extremely unlikely to win the game.

Kessler looked decent, not good, but gritty. Extending plays and finding the open man. I wish his arm was stronger.

Played a full 60 minutes.

The O-line & Defense are complete sieves.

Need help at RT, RG, Center, CB, Safety & LB, desperately. I think we need another WR too. Hard to say with Coleman out.

As long as we're giving up 30 ppg, we're gonna lose most games.

Teams are double teaming Pryor now and there is nobody else worth a darm, Coleman needs to heal quick.

Kessler is OK guts but it will get him hurt, he can't throw an out at all

Irving cut him now

defense is just plain bad, Titans did not score an opening drive TD until they played us

DB and safety play is a joke ( just draft the entire Ohio State secondary next year)

LB are running in quicksand

the honeymoon with Hue can last only so long , I don't see much improvement just same old same old

every team has injuries, no excuses look at the Tribe

We gotta get a pass rusher and do somethign to fix this horrible line.

I was again impressed by Kessler today and also by Pryor both making steady improvement.

Shelton has played great this year despite what many seem to think.

Secondary was just hung out to dry. These guys cant protect for 10 seconds.

While probably not a franchise QB Kesslers improvement from that debacle pre season game until now makes me want to give him the remaining games if possible. Currently, there's NO NCAA QB who I'd venture a number one on. I'd rather identify our neediest spot ( tough, I know) and draft that position.

Our online is horrific. I'd retire and wait for the HOF call if I were JT.

Still plenty of holes to fill...

noone on the defense should consider themselves safe..noone looks good, I'd be looking to move Haden asap, he gets beat alot and can't stay healthy, no reason to keep paying him that contract,
Kessler looked servicable, i wouldn't say he looked as good as some will say, he holds the ball forever, has below average arm strength and when he has to drive the ball outside or down the field 15+ it floats and wobbles. Not sure if there is something that can be fixed in his mechanics that can generate more velocity, but he's a solid backup at best imo, I'd rather see RG3 when he comes back for the rest of the season. I think he has more upside than Cody, but Cody isn't why we lost by a long shot, OL, Defense, Hue Jackson and ST. Ricardo Louis should be on PS tomorrow..horrible. And whoever is teaching our guys to fair catch punts inside the 10 yards line should be gone too, but he won't because Tabor must have some amazing evidence on Haslam.


Jackson should have stuck with the run, eventually Crow would have found some holes, we couldn't even PA to open the top because Jackson abandoned the run from the get go. I'm officially on the "we need a OC" bandwagon. Tennessee is bad, this was probably one of our last games we could have pulled a win out. I bet Erving gets beat by the punter in the weight room.

So, it is a better statistical percentage to potentially have to recover 2 onsides kicks instead of 1?

That does it. Going for 2 in that situation proves that Hue HAS NO IDEA WHAT HE IS DOING.

I was actually a Hue fan BUT, Far too many bonehead decisions by him this year. I say FIRE HIM!

They won't have to fire him.
I say within the next 24 months he resigns due to the hapless, helplessness of the organization.

LB is a good place to start. Draft some impact players in '17 not a project.

I saw this logic in another thread, but if we scored, kicked the extra point, we would have needed the onside kick, and then if we would have not made the two point conversion on the last drive, we would have needed the second onside kick to try for the field goal. It really is six of one, half dozen of the other. You simply can't say that if we'd gone for the extra point we wouldn't have needed the second onside kick.

yea ok. kick the PAT and don't get the two for OT we still lose by one...yup let's fire him now...smh...

Most likely we'll trade down and come out of the draft with 23 average players with very high character.

--Kessler doesn't feel like McCoy to me. Maybe it's a prisoner of the moment type of thing, but I remember feeling no hope at all with McCoy watching him rack up meaningless yards when the game was already out of reach. Haven't felt that way with Kessler. Seems like he makes plays when the game is still very much in question.

--I think we should continue to develop Kessler and see how far he can go. Why do people say "I'm happy with Kessler, he'll make a good backup QB"? What does that mean? Can someone explain that to me. Weeden had all the physical tools and a dinosaur brain. Kessler has all the brain, but needs some more brawn. How many guys actually have both? Again, can some of the QB experts on here explain to me what it means when you say you are happy with his play and happy that he will make a good backup QB for the Browns? I honestly have no idea what that means.

--Kessler's deep ball is awful. One of the most annoying things about bad deep passes is not keeping it in the field of play. There was no such thing as receivers getting "pinned" to the sideline today. Kessler simply threw poorly. He needs to work on that.

--Again, I don't know what his ceiling is, but it's the only thing worth watching the rest of this season.

--The Browns passed on Wentz to draft a bunch of Ricardo Louis-es. I would give up two entire drafts for a franchise QB. Talent is a dime a dozen in this league after the QB position. The Browns FO outsmarted themselves again.

--Think about this. If Pettine and Farmer had remained, I speculate we would have drafted Wentz. Would you rather have Pettine and Farmer with Wentz or Hue and Sashi? I would have to give that some serious thought. But I think it underscores the need for continuity, IMO.

--I'll preface this again by saying I don't want Hue fired, but this is just as bad as all the other coaches. Mangini, Shurmur, Chud, Pettine, it's all the same. He's a lot of bravado with little results. That really is his key difference. He talks and acts different than Pettine. I personally like that type of personality better, but Hue has actually proved nothing in the league and continues to prove nothing.

--His in game play calling and decisions are absolutely awful. Absolutely awful. Absolutely awful. He put his team in a position where they might have to get two onsides kicks. A professional head coach should be smarter than that. He constantly ruins momentum and Kessler's rhythm with ill-time wildcat calls. It's maddening.

--Hue should have stuck with the running game more today. Did a complete disservice to the team and the RBs.

--It sucks for Haden that he was hurt again, but honestly at this point, whether he's on the field or not, it doesn't really matter. I don't notice when he's not there.

--Cody Parkey has become impressive.

--0-6. It never felt like we had a real chance to win this game, and Tennessee is not a good team. We are very, very far away. It's so disheartening.

If I kick the PAT then I need the onside, TD, two pointer. As a player I might say, " We can do this guys"! If I need two onside kicks plus a two pointer I'm not so confident.

It's just a mental factor to me.

Personally, just improve your sorry butts and don't get in those situations!

Tell you what, Rish, if Kessler continues to play like this, it will probably be enough to convince the FO to not take a QB high. If there's one worth taking, that would be yet another mistake, IMHO.



Not only does it look weakly thrown, it's usually in the wrong place. He hasn't led the receiver to the ball deep yet (that I remember), they all end up between the WR and the defender, and the defender usually wins the battle.

We have to wait till all the 1 win teams win their 2nd game before we can win our first.

No. The idea is that, with 7 minutes left and down by 15, you go for 2 first so you know what situation the game will be and manage the clock accordingly.

But with 2 minutes left, it did not matter really one way or the other. They needed to convert and did not.

Wentz has looked awful his last two game. Just horrible. So let's pump the breaks on the Wentz is a franchise QB talk.

Still hoping we can at least win more than last year but, I am beginning to think our 1st, and potentially only win, might come on Christmas Eve in a cold, snowy Cleveland against San Diego.

I respectfully disagree. In my mind, with 2 minutes to go and in that position, you go with the odds to put your team in the best position, which was the 99% 1pt conversion with the 99% chance of only having to recover 1 onsides kick where it is close to 95% where you will not recover 2 onsides kicks.

To each his own.

thank you, Wentz has played poorly his last two games. Cody is not Manning either but with almost half our off. starters down and as young as we are. what do we expect was going to happen this year. I like Cody just fine. his deep is weak, so keep him throwing the short to mid passes.

Awful is a bit strong, but fair enough.

I just despise trading down. Absolutely despise it.

erving is bad. louis is not good

Particularly today but, I suspect that has more to do with still being sore.

let's not forget our starting RT either.

Watching Hue's presser now.

Man, the guy looked and sounded completely and utterly defeated.

I actually feel bad for him.

His eyes were actually watering.

At least he cares.

Pettine would have been thinking about chasing skirts after the presser.

Dang, Poyer with lacerated kidney.

But if you are down by 15 and get the 2 pt conversion on the 1st TD, then score a second, you at least have a chance to win the game with another 2pt conversion.

If you go for the PAT 1st, at best you can tie the game.

I only listened to the game, but if we play for the tie, and get it, I think the statistical odds of us pulling out the W goes waaaay down if we take it to OT.

That was the most uncomfortable presser I've ever seen.

I for one am glad this team is showing no signs of quitting at all.

Kessler surprised me.. He's a tough bugger for sure. I'm still not comfortable with his physical ability, but I love his heart and his smarts..

I wonder if we could ever put a solid Oline out there, could he be better? Dunno.

No question, Pryor is special. Big hands, catches what's there and many that aren't really there...

Saw too many dropped balls and too many penalties. Can't do that stuff and expect to win.

Not sure what the stats say, but it looked like we didn't let them run on us too badly. What did Murray have today? Marcus had that first play that was big, but I didn't see much else.. Might have missed it.

But man, they threw all over us today. couldn't stop them to save out souls.

All in all, we are a team with some holes that need filed. The good news if there is any is that we have a tone of picks coming up.

Oh,,, before I forget, we need a center... A real one. That kid we had for one game looked pretty good but the injury bug hit him. Maybe he's the answer, dunno, but I do know that Irving isn't. I'm not sure he's even NFL ready at all..

our team has been absolutely crippled by injuries.