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Yea it sucks. I hope he heals up quickly.

That being said, poyer is part of the problem in our secondary. He sucks

I agree we have no coverage DB's at all...expect maybe Jamar

Ya know I didn't get to watch the game because this was Apple butter weekend, but we listened to it on the radio. Never after the first drive did I think we were in it. I thought Tenn. Had an answer for everything we did.
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when we failed to establish the run we were doomed imo

I can't recall off hand how much influence he had with the personnel moves offseason and the draft but this is the team they created.

I'm no guru, I don't know which or how many of these youngsters will develop but my thoughts are that this year will either propel us into season after season of winning programs or will be the season this team fell completely into irrelevance and take mediocrity to a whole new level.

We got some gutsy kids out there I'll say that. I just don't know if down the line they are pro material.

Hue gets too cute in games. From formations to wildcat...he just needs to stick to football 101 and don't abandon the run game and for God sake keep Kessler clean. He took some shots today.

I live in Columbus Ohio.

I can see the Packers, Cowboys, Eagles, Patriots, and even the Giants on T.V. as often as I can see the Cleveland Browns.

I think the Browns have only been on tv twice this year.

Usually it's against a team they're going to lose by a lot to.

Nfl said, "Browns were looking to avoid their 3rd 0-6 start in team history. None since 1999.
Well they're 0-6. Only winless team left in the NFL.

Didn't they finsh with 12 losses to end last season.
They went 0-4 in the preseason.

I just heard Rizzo on the radio, and some posts here say that Shelton played great. I know he got a sack, but he got frigging buried on Murray's TD run, just obliterated.

Terrell Pryor is good.

I agree with those who say we have solved our backup QB problem. Kessler has a bright future wearing a ballcap, carrying a clipboard. He'll make a nice living. JMO.

Cam Erving's future is in the past. His best years on the field are behind him.

Crowell runs like he wants to fall. Really poor balance. More Duke Johnson, please.

Ricardo Louis - catch the ball, son.

Is a screen pass in our repertoire when the oppo defense is in full jailbreak mode?

To our punt returners: if you're inside the 10, don't fair catch it there. Run upfield waving your arm to signal a fair catch it while it bounces into the endzone. Works every time our opponent does it.

There's more, but that's enough for now.

Just saw that, injuries mount even more

Watching Dallas Dak looks the part, either that or GB is just that bad

Team continues to fight on. Lots of heart. Can't find it in me to blame any of the lack of success on Hue Jackson when he was handed a team that was clearly gutted in the offseason and not put together to win many games this season. Put on top of that is the fact the roster is absolutely crushed with injuries/suspensions/etc. Who could've been in this game?

Haden
Bitonio
Gordon
McCown
Coleman
Armonty Bryant
Des Bryant
RG3
Austin Reiter
Murray
Orchard

That's a lot of players lost to injury/etc this year when the team was already gutted in the offseason. Not to mention we have a ton of rookies and new schemes in place. What they have done is going to take a ton of time.

The bright side of all this is that it seems we have a couple of decent rookies and they are getting playing time. I think Hue is a good coach. Next year we will have the first pick and a ton of draft picks plus a ton of cap space plus we will have first claim on the waiver wire, assuming we come in last place this year. Cinci obviously hurting without Hue this year. Hue is no Pat Shurmur...

Just to add to this... last year's bad Browns team was gutted!! Hue doesn't really even have a true NFL roster to work with. This FO didn't try to win this year. Quite frankly their strategy may work in the long run. If we do get a good QB next year (not sure I'm sold on Keizer, Watson or Kaaya yet) and other players, maybe plug in some quality free agents and/or re-sign or own and can claim guys as with #1 waiver priority the whole 2017 season we might be in good shape. Meanwhile we get to rollover all our extra cap space this year and let all these new rookies get a lot of playing time.

I didn't buy any tickets this year and won't be going to any games because I don't think they have much of a chance of winning. I will watch from home though.

that list of players is sickening ... that's a huge core of players

Our secondary is really, really bad. Tramon Williams got beat by Kendall Wright all day. Kindred/Campbell are both good closer to the line of scrimmage, but are terrible in coverage (I think we should be using them in coverage in hopes that will improve).

Kessler is playing to the best of his ability.

The offensive line is in shambles. Erving is an embarassment and even Joe Thomas whiffed on a block today.

The run defense played well and Shelton has really improved.

Nope, neither of those things will happen with the moneyball plan. The only hope is to be spot on the money EVERY year in the draft...hardly ever missing on a pick in the early rounds.

Another person who doesn't know what Moneyball is.

Explain it to me since you know everything?

Just depends on their approach. We don't know what they will do at this point.

Bringing in Paul Depodesta doesn't mean we have a pure MLB moneyball approach, especially with the NFL salary cap. There's something to be said for sticking purely with the draft because they would be able to stockpile a lot of compensatory draft picks which can now be traded and there by increase the assets the team has. Flip side of that is by not spending the team's available salary cap the team is also wasting a valueable asset. Also as you said it's key to hit on those draft picks and it will take a while to build that up.

I do they they will re-sign their good players. It's too hard to judge how these guys would operate in years 4-5 of the operation compared to this year when they had to clean house of a dirty Ray Farmer roster that had guys like Johnny Manziel and Justin Gilbert on it.

They may acknowledge they really crapped the bed letting some guys walk like Schwartz and adjust next year. It would be hard to imagine they don't learn anything and adjust.

Also hard to say how they may adjust due to fan/media/ownership (and maybe even Hue) pressure to win and expend assets and acquire free agents in order to put some wins on the board.

All I'm saying is, is it's clear they never wanted to win anything this year. Pretty lousy but MAYBE it will have some payoff down the road. I certainly don't endorse all the moves but I'd definitely give Hue a few seasons to actually get a team put together. Im really tired of this team blowing up every year or two.

Myles Garrett please for the love of God.

There are many other places on this board [and on the internet] that it is explained.

Yes.

If people here have never seen Garrett, watch the clip at :25

https://youtu.be/fYTIHlARiVk

He's 6'5 270 lbs and doing that.

he looks good. but if it was me, I would stick with Nassib and Ogbah, and draft OL and DB's

If you're okay with below average pass rush, fine. We drafted Joe Thomas 3rd overall. That hasn't helped our offense at all. A franchise pass rusher can have an insane impact on a defense.

keeping your QB from getting killed has the same effect. so would run blocking

We should sign the best center and right tackle in free agency.

Just so people can see it in list form, here is a list of the players we have lost to injury: (for at least a game)

C: Erving
C: Reiter
LG: Bitonio
QB: RG3
QB: McCown
QB: Whitehurst (waived injured)
TE: Telfer
TE: DeValve
WR: Coleman
PK: Murray
DL: Bryant (preseason injury)
DL: Nassib
LB: Orchard
DB: Haden
DB: Campbell
DB: Poyer (will miss time with a lacerated kidney)
DB: Tramon Williams

We also had Kessler miss most of a game with injury.

On a rebuilding team, full of young players, this is almost unbelievable. There has really been no opportunity to build any kind of continuity and allow units to learn how to play together. I don't think that we have had the same starting OL combination from week to week yet, and have started 3 different players at C, 2 at RG and 2 at LG. We have started 3 different QBs, and played 4. (5 if you count Pryor)

Man, just looking at that list again is really depressing.

You need 5 guys for that to work. A great and game changing pass rush needs 2 players max. How many first round picks have we spent on drafting pass rushers? 2 or 3 maybe? We always invest in the offensive line and on this forum we never invest enough. We need to break this cycle and focus on other units.

Just take the best player and be done with it. The best player is Myles Garrett and it's not close.

It's either him or a trade down.

Luckily this draft kind of sucks, so there's no one worth trading up for..

Our luck well win 2 games and get the 2nd pick..

mingo, sheard?

I'd take sheard back

10-6.

Kessler will be knocked out of Cinn game book it

For me, this game was about the battle in the trenches, and although I liked Shelton's performance, overall Tennessee consistently won on both sides of the ball.

I know we have shown different schemes and all but this personnel feels more like a 43 D, at least at the defensive line. Perhaps I'm overlooking it on the field or whatever, but I'd like to see more base D of Ogbah, Shelton, (whoever), Nassib with their hands in the ground.

Kirksey played well. Erving did not. Tennessee eliminated the running game.

Jerell Worthy (sp?) really gave us some trouble from what I saw

I can agree with that.
Is Erv fixable? Just wonder if it is possible for him to get up to adequate. Speed of his game lags. We ran better arguably with him out.

Oddly, that is something to look forward to. Half will be injured, and half will be average. FA might be a necessity.

Ouch. Missed that. How long does that injury take to recover from? Or can you? Sounds dangerous to me.

Asking if he's fixable is implying that he is broken. I'm not sure that is the case. This was a guy practicing at every position last year and only know is focusing on Center. I've seen flashes of great play from Erving. Other times not so much.

Many people called Shelton a bust after his first FULL year playing NT. Now he is finally getting it, leads the league in run stop %, and has the most run stops.(PFF info). I'm hoping Erving will follow that same path because the talent/athleticism is there. I think technique needs refining but I'll defer that stuff to others who know more about it than I.

j/c:

--Shelton played a very good game. Murray has been running roughshod over other NFL defenses. We did a great job on him and Shelton's play was a huge factor in that.

--Kindred and IC absolutely suck in coverage. I have been saying it all year. I find it hard to believe that anyone would still say they can cover after yesterday's game. Those plays were more out in the open and impossible to miss. But, they have sucked all year.

--I thought the hit on Poyer was a clean football hit. I feel bad he got injured, but man, that was a nice hit.

--Kessler was up and down for me. He was very gutty. He did not throw a pick. He extended plays. He made some nice throws. On the other hand, he made a couple of bad decisions w/bad throws and was bailed out by Pryor making great plays on the ball. The one where he rolled left and lofted one back across the field had pick 6 written all over it. Pryor knifes between two defenders and makes the catch. The one TD pass was similar.

--It would have been nice to run more, but I think the book is in on the Brown's offense w/Kessler at qb. Stack the LOS, take away the win, allow Kessler to dink and dunk while taking away the big plays. Not saying it will always work, but that is what teams are going to do. Kessler will have some inflated numbers like he did yesterday, but the Browns will still lose.

--Has our kicker missed a kick after his first-game debacle?

--Joe Haden sure misses a lot of games, but is always good to talk about basketball and have fun on the sidelines.

--Erving is football dumb. How many times can he make the wrong decision and leave guys unblocked?

--I am getting sick of all the penalties that are called in NFL games. There is very little flow to the games because of all the damn calls.