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 really? please tell me this is just rumors and piling it on - meaning most of our new & good players should be untouchable.... 
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Well, we only have one all pro so the pickings on that end will be pretty slim. I think trading a bunch of guys would be really foolish. Too much fascination with picks. Judging from the stadium today, the Browns have lost a ton of fan base. This type of move will drive a deeper wedge between the team and the fans with no guarantees that it will pay off. I'd entertain trading Thomas only because I think he deserves it. I'd like to see him play for a winner, and it will give me an excuse to root for another team.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I'd trade Haden in a second .... If the offer was much McCown would be gone ...
Would need a 1 for Joe ... We're gonna need him but if he wants gone .. U gotta grant his wish if u have a heart ..
All the KIDS ARE OFF THE BLOCK ....
Thinking otherwise is just ... Well not thinking ..
Not sure what some of the fans expected .. And sheesh .. Last week everything was hunky dory and we were headed in the right direction ...
Today we lose our 3rd QB on the 2nd series after leading us on a TD on the first series .. Then we get rolled by possibly the best team in football and all of a sudden the sky is falling ..
Naaaa ... WERE NOT VERY GOOD ... But there's no reason to be melting down ... NONE ..
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I'm glad they are willing to trade Coleman after passing on Wentz.
These guys are smart. They don't say what the price would be. I would bet that it would be very high for Coleman.
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Is there a particular reason why you challenge my posts but ignore all the homer ignorant posts?
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I reply to all kinds of posts. I seem to recall supporting several of your posts lately.
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My greatest fear..that this front office is full of "slow learners".
Will the Harvard Boys learn anything from their mistakes and misjudgments?..if they don't, we can expect more of the same next season.
There isn't any "analytic" that can make up for a lack of football experience.
Being cheap in the NFL doesn't win a franchise much.
Will money continue to drive their personnel decisions?
I'm disappointed that many of their 14 draft picks are not contributing more.
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Now that we are getting the chance to see how some of the front offices decisions have played out on the field, it looks as though they made some major misjudgements.
#1. Not drafting Wentz..the H boys obviously misjudged the QB talent in the 2016 draft, not just Wentz..but also Sashi and Depodesta's judgement of Dak Prescott..
On Wentz, Sashi and Depodesta were staring at a franchise QB right in the face and misjudged his value. They did pull off a trade for the #2 pick that softened their error in judgement..but that does not change the fact that they misjudged Wentz.
On Prescott, drafting Kessler over Prescott in the 3rd round was a horrible error in judgement. The H-boys still could have traded out of #2 spot and drafted Prescott in the 2nd or 3rd rounds and they would have looked like the smartest front office in the NFL.
Instead, when the front office had the opportunity to spend some extended time with Prescott the day before his Pro Day, the Browns simply gave Prescott some psychological tests and called it a day.
#2. Next, the H-boys grossly misjudged the Offensive Line talent. They allowed two free agent Oline to leave...and replaced them with low level talent.
They drafted an OT in the 3rd round, Shon Coleman, a cancer survivor, who was coming off of a knee surgery and who is "still recovering". They drafted an OG, Drango, in the 5th round who is seeing minimal playing time.
Hopefully, through this experience, the H-boys will finally understand that if they do not build a high quality OLine, they are wasting their picks on the skilled position players..QB, RB, WR, TE.
...your skilled position players will never perform to their full potential if the Offensive Line can not "protect" their QB and open holes for their RBs.
3. The defensive backfield is only as good as the pass rush. Again, allowing free agent talent to leave and replacing them with lesser talent, is not a winning formula.
The Browns pass defense is among the worst in the nfl and the number of sacks by the defense is also among the worst/least..funny how that works. Hopefully the boys have an analytics formula that will show them the link between a pass rush and the overall performance of the pass defense.
It is the responsibility of the Browns front office to evaluate and select the best football talent available. Hopefully these highly educated individuals who are in charge of filling the roster with top talent are learning from their mistakes.
IMO, the Browns Ivy League front office, with their analytics, complex formulas and psychological testing, ARE NO MATCH FOR a front office that is football smart with individuals with decades of experience in the game, backed by a strong scouting department.
If Sashi and Depodesta are interested in improving the capability of the Browns front office, combining the best from an analytics approach and blending it with an approach based on football experience, backed by a strong scouting department, would seem to be the logical way to create a stronger front office then the present.
BUT, if their goal is to maintain their own personal power over all personnel moves, nothing will change..and the franchise continues to suffer.
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#1. Hue said trust him on Kessler, I think Hue felt comfortable with RG3 and Kessler. I don't think you can put that on the FO. #2. Mack did not want to be here, Schwartz tried to fleece us, what do you think the FO should have done? In order for our Qbs to have any success we needed to find some weapons, we had 0. We had a #1 draft pick center sitting on the bench in Cam Erving, so you had to play him. (I wish he was still sitting there) #3 We also could not stop the run and had 0 QB pressure, so the the focus was on front seven. We are stopping the run but we don't have great QB pressure, we drafted Ogbah hoping he was going to be a great pass rusher and he isn't there yet. If we invest in a pass rusher like Myles Garret and pick up a really good pass rushing linebacker, I think our Defense will increase by 10 fold. So I don't think the FO is doing that bad of a job. I think the had goal this offseason, get some weapons, improve the defense, I think they did a great job. (The defense is still bad but we have made improvement based on the lack of talent. ) I am not an expert so I expect you guys to pick my post apart lol 
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Actually, I'm kinda liking what I see in Kessler.
How many times do people have to explain, MACK wasn't staying no matter what the FO did. I don't know why you can't grasp that.
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Now that we are getting the chance to see how some of the front offices decisions have played out
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vamb...totally agree...THE FRONT OFFICE IS CHASING IT'S TAIL...trying to figure out how they completely whiffed on two potential franchise QBs, setting right in front of them, there for the taking.
You can try to excuse it away, but had these guys done their homework, the Browns would not still be searching for a franchise QB.
If Kizer comes out..don't be surprised if the H-boys trade the pick away.
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Actually, I'm kinda liking what I see in Kessler.
How many times do people have to explain, MACK wasn't staying no matter what the FO did. I don't know why you can't grasp that.
He DOES grasp it...That's the whole point...He is attention starved, and this is the only way he can get anybody to respond to him. If you leave him alone he'll go away sooner or later.
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What's your end game here?
Like, what's the point of continuously saying the same things over and over?
I'm not saying don't post, or whatever, just to clarify before someone swoops in and accuses me of that..
But you practically just copy and paste the same stuff over and over..
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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thatguy...first, I'm making crap up!
The H-boys did have two potential franchise QBs staring them in the face and they failed to recognize their potential..Prescott and Wentz.
The end game...how do the Browns improve their front office?
It starts with this front office and owner judging their own performances in the draft and free agency and honestly asking, how do we make this front office better?
From the beginning, I've said that having DePodesta and Sashi running your front office exposes a glaring weakness within the Browns franchise...
...the lack of football experience!
Looking at the present draft class, having 14 picks does not make for a successful draft. How many are capable of playing at a NFL level?
Judge this front office on their performance.
They knew they had created a weakness on the offensive line...what did they do to improve our OLine? Did it work?
They knew that the greatest need for this franchise was at QB...what did they do to fill the franchise need at QB?
Remember this...there is no substitute for EXPERIENCE...and the Browns front office is so far behind the rest of the NFL..all we need to do is look how Depodesta and Sashi attempted to improve the team, but made our team worse...not better.
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The same Kizer who got benched on Saturday cause ND couldn't move the ball?
At this point, I'm scared of the QB class coming out. The only one I think can really be a beast is Chad Kelly, but we might can pick him up in the second Round. Watson just isn't impressive when watching him.
The FO is gonna have another tough offseason to try and figure this out.
We need to spend in FA. At this point, get Myles garret or whatever his name is with the first pick, then use our second first rounder on the best safety on the board.
Our defense is terrible. Our secondary is even worse.
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two potential franchise QBs staring them in the face and they failed to recognize their potential..Prescott and Wentz. They passed on Prescott for the same reason 30 other front offices did: off the field crap. I can practically guarantee they didn't fail to recognize his potential. Honestly hoping they're on a tighter leash next draft. Hope Hue, scouts, whoever has more football experience get more say in things.
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How many times do people have to explain, MACK wasn't staying no matter what the FO did. I don't know why you can't grasp that.
I posted an article that quoted Mack and the FO as saying they were trying to work out a deal. You guys saying that he was gone no matter what a million times does not make it more true.
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And people have posted the article in which he's says it was time to move on and play somewhere else a million times in response.
IN MY OPINION, unless we had severely overpaid what ATL was offering, he wasn't going to sign here.
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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How many times do people have to explain, MACK wasn't staying no matter what the FO did. I don't know why you can't grasp that.
I posted an article that quoted Mack and the FO as saying they were trying to work out a deal. You guys saying that he was gone no matter what a million times does not make it more true. Of course they did. Why would either party say otherwise to the media prior to FA? That would do no good. It created leverage for both sides, certainly for Mack if another team was perceived to be in the mix. People need to stop believing what is said to the media is supposed to be 100% truthful. I feel like we have to go through this exercise more than what it necessary. Several credible analysts/insiders have said on Twitter that Mack was already long gone.
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The same Kizer who got benched on Saturday cause ND couldn't move the ball?
At this point, I'm scared of the QB class coming out. The only one I think can really be a beast is Chad Kelly, but we might can pick him up in the second Round. Watson just isn't impressive when watching him.
The FO is gonna have another tough offseason to try and figure this out.
We need to spend in FA. At this point, get Myles garret or whatever his name is with the first pick, then use our second first rounder on the best safety on the board.
Our defense is terrible. Our secondary is even worse. For the UMPTEENT TIME ... Kizer is not READY .. he is NOT COMING OUT ... Glad some of u are starting to see just how UNREADY HE IS ... And his problem now .. he has ZERO CONFIDENCE ... Brian Kelly has DESTROYED that kids confidence ... U can see it in his body language and decisions .. He is VISIBLY SHAKEN after a bad play .. and i can't blame him .. everytime he makes a mistake Kelly looks like a kid that just lost their puppy .. and most of the time he SCREAMS at him or anyone else that makes a mistake ...
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Diam, He isnt ready to go pro but to be honest, he is probably better off going pro and sitting for a year or two than returning to ND next year. Battered child syndrome.
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And people have posted the article in which he's says it was time to move on and play somewhere else a million times in response. He said that BEFORE he signed w/Atlanta? Are you sure about that? Look, either way we are a worse team w/out him. Even if he wanted out, so what? What does that say about how he felt about the direction of this losing, scum-bag franchise?
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Of course they did. Why would either party say otherwise to the media prior to FA? Ahhh.........you are calling Mack and the FO liars. Nice. But yeah, rumors on twitter is more accurate than a man's word.
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And people have posted the article in which he's says it was time to move on and play somewhere else a million times in response. He said that BEFORE he signed w/Atlanta? Are you sure about that? Look, either way we are a worse team w/out him. Even if he wanted out, so what? What does that say about how he felt about the direction of this losing, scum-bag franchise? Are you sure I said that he said it before the draft?
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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Just pointing out that your statement was invalid, because everyone says that AFTER they move on.
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Just pointing out that your statement was invalid, because everyone says that AFTER they move on. Kind of like how most players are willing to stay with the team they are still under contract with? Just saying. I did see a figure where our starters for week 6 had a cap hit of something like 48 million. The next team was at like 75 million. Twitter Link (@spotrac) Some of that is due to injuries, but not all of it. We've got a really young roster lacking much high-end talent. When we've got players on the field going against players that are "worth" twice as much, I'm surprised we kept it close. Hopefully some of the players we draft/have drafted prove worth signing to big contracts.
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And people have posted the article in which he's says it was time to move on and play somewhere else a million times in response. He said that BEFORE he signed w/Atlanta? Are you sure about that? Look, either way we are a worse team w/out him. Even if he wanted out, so what? What does that say about how he felt about the direction of this losing, scum-bag franchise? Vers you know I respect you. But I seen the 64 Championship and don't care who owns the team I will never call them a scum-bag franchise. Sorry buddy.
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Never asked you to call them that, Nor. Just voicing my opinion on Jimmy's actions and the fact that we brought in Art Briles. I hope they lose every freaking game until that dirt-bag is gone.
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We've got a really young roster lacking much high-end talent.
Looking at the chart posted, it just confirms what I've said before...the Browns are cheap with cap space a higher priority than talent on the roster.
I guess we are watching "moneyball" football style, in action. What do we win by being cheap?
One of my main points continues to be that the guys in our front office need help judging football talent.
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two potential franchise QBs staring them in the face and they failed to recognize their potential..Prescott and Wentz. They passed on Prescott for the same reason 30 other front offices did: off the field crap. I can practically guarantee they didn't fail to recognize his potential. Honestly hoping they're on a tighter leash next draft. Hope Hue, scouts, whoever has more football experience get more say in things.
The Browns had the best analytics staff in the NFL, graduates of Harvard...that should have given the Browns front office some advantage, shouldn't it? You telling me that analytics did not work to determine the best QB talent in the past draft?
If that is the case, with the QB position being the greatest need for the Browns franchise, the Browns front office better do something to improve their ability to judge football talent.
The next draft will be the most important draft for this front office and for the franchise.
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Now Jimmy being a scum-bag or not is immaterial bud I would never call my team a scum-bag franchise. I don't have alot of years left. I just want to win.
The only reason people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory.
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Again nor..........I am NOT trying to convince you of anything. I simply will not root for a team that employs Art Briles. I am NOT asking you to agree...............just expressing my opinion.
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Diam, He isnt ready to go pro but to be honest, he is probably better off going pro and sitting for a year or two than returning to ND next year. Battered child syndrome. I agree Mourg ... i been saying he isn't ready for about 5 weeks now .. about 2 weeks ago I amended it to .. UNLESS he wants to GET AWAY from KELLY ... Everytime he comes off the field Kelly is either yelling at him or in his face talking to him in a negative way .... so I wouldn't blame him if he left ... Kelly didn't yell hardly at all this Saturday .. he looked like he was in shock and then depression ... *L* ..
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I agree on Kelly. He is going to be good and we can get him with our 2nd 1st rounder. Use some picks to trade up if we feel we need to do so.
I don't know what people see in Kaiser.
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what is it that you don't like? The accuracy? The toughness? The moxy? The ability to run and throw accurately outside the pocket??? 3rd rounder in his 3rd full game. Injured. Playing for a talent starved Browns team . . . I'm genuinely curious. I'd like him even more if he had a rocket arm - but he doesn't have a rocket ... that doesn't diminish the other attributes he has shown. What more could he have done to impress you?
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