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Hey! Cheer up guys! At least we have the most cap space in the NFL!!!

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Yea and the FO isn't gonna spend any of it.

Like I said in the game Day chat, I have zero clue on how hue keeps the offense moving.

They had Pryor doubled all game. The other WR couldn't get separation even if push offs was allowed. The o line was horrible in pass blocking

Oh, and we are on our 6th QB.

Hue and Hamilton must have some voodoo witch craft going on for the offense, because we had really good running numbers on a team that was stacking 8-9 in the box the entire game.

Our defense, however.....it's a combination of our defensive players being trash and Horton not getting these guys prepared properly.

I was team Horton at the beginning...but man it's easy to defend hue. It's a stretch to defend Horton.

Our only bright spot on defense was ogbah. Two sacks. That's the only positive thing I can say about our defense today.

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When you are starting 2 rookie UDFA's, a second year safety who is a first year starter, and Tramon Williams in your secondary against AJ Green, one can expect to have a long day.

On the bright side, Ogbah finished a couple of times.

So many injuries. Tough spot for any team/coach/FO.

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- Defence looked the worst they have all year. Apart from Ogbah having a decent day against one of the worst RTs in the game, they were straight trash. Embarrassing actually.
- Poyer isn't great but holy crap do we miss him. Our safety play is abyssmal and I think getting a true coverage FS has to be up there in our list of offseason priorities.
- Kessler might not be cut out to be the guy....not because of skill or smarts, but because of durability.
- Hogan, fluky read-option runs aside, looked like what he is....a practice squad rookie. Did a few decent things but did look overmatched. And seems like he has a longer windup on his throws.

On the positive side

- Crowell looked good. Too bad losing our QB killed our ability to use him effectively.
- I had cold beer in the fridge....thank god cuz I needed it.

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I'd say that on offense, we can safely say that we can just plug in "a guy" and go.

On defense - not so much. Forget QB next draft -- we have a bunch of guys that we can throw in there -- we need to spend every last pick putting together a defense that at least belongs at the college level.... this one does not.


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... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.

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This was some of the worse run defense I have seen...Hill had 9 carries for 168! Enough said...

This game tells you how freaking talent needy this team is. They need almost everything and it will take years and years. Hue will not survive what the moneyball team has created...holes everywhere besides all the injuries.


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Originally Posted By: WhatCanBrownDo4U
Hill had 9 carries for 168!


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Yeah, but except for 4 or 5 of those long runs, we held him to like 14 yards.[/butch]


Browns is the Browns

... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.

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What happens to all the cap money that doesn't get spent? It's not like Jimmy can pocket it can he?


WE DON'T NEED A QB BEFORE WE GET A LINE THAT CAN PROTECT HIM
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Ugly. Easily our worst game thus far.

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The Browns suck. I am glad I didnt waste 30 bucks going to the bar to watch this game. I can treat myself to a nice dinner tomorrow.

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I have to say Kevin Hogan did show some potential today. That wind-up will keep the D off balance. When he becomes our permanent starting QB we can call him Colonel Hogan and the team Hogan's heroes!!! thumbsup

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i really don't see a win on the schedule


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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What we see is what we have.

When you have a young team and zero depth when injuries happen the results are predictable.

Not many teams are going to win games with a fourth string quarterback who was recently added to the roster.

The good thing is Kessler has played well and guys who were not expected to play are playing.

Over time this may help build the depth that is needed to win in the NFL.

Every team gets injuries. The teams that have depth can stay competitive. The teams that don't - lose.

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The Browns suck. I am glad I didnt waste 30 bucks going to the bar to watch this game. I can treat myself to a nice dinner tomorrow.


At least you would have had a good reason to get drunk.

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Not sure what some of U expect from Horton .. i'm no fan of his .. but this is in no way his fault ..

We have no one that can put pressure on the QB .. NO ONE .. our secondary can't cover anyone ... not a GOOD COMBO .. *L* ...

We have ZERO SPEED ON D ... zero ... Ogbah had two sacks today against a RT that may be even worse than ours .. other than that he looks like he's playing with CEMENT SHOES ON ...

Our LBer's not named Kersey .. i think thats the one, have ZERO ATHELETICISM or SPEED ... and hes a YO-YO AT best .. wanna talk about inconsistent ..

This isn't Horton's fault ...

Hue needs to quit with the BS ... spread option calls in the NFL are STUPID as hell .. we've had QB's knocked out of games .. what 8 or 9 times in the first 6 games and we lose Cody today and we have NO ONE LEFT except a WR with a bad Jammie and HUE IS STILL RUNNING SPREAD OPTION PLAYS ...

Once again a BEYOND STUPID MOVE .. I'm very impressed with what he's done with the O while at the same time thinking he has SUCKED and really hurt this team EVERY SINGLE GAME ...

And guys .. its GOING TO GET WORSE ... if we don't win next week .. 0 - 16 becomes a very real possibility ..

In the next 3 - 6 weeks our rooks will HIT THE WALL .. we have lots of them playing .. ITS GONNA GET REAL UGLY THEN ...




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Always something to look forward to as a Browns fan. Hats off to Hogan.

Our defense stunk it up. Any message for Horton here? Also, STs really hurt jus again.

Just appalling.


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did schobert even play? he was invosible


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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What did people expect?

Sure, our d laid an egg, no doubt about that.

On offense - our starting qb is out.
Our second string qb is out.
Our third string qb has looked semi decent for a guy that, 8 weeks ago, wasn't expected to see a snap in a game.

Then we went with our 4th string qb that wasn't even on the team 4 weeks ago.

Then back to our injured but okay to play 3rd stringer, and in between, we've had Pryor at qb for some snaps.

Pryor played, but was not "healthy" today.

Our line is full of backups. How many centers this year?

Bitonio is out.

We're not a great team. I get it. But we are probably the best team in the league that's starting a 3rd round not expected to even play qb. And now, with concussion protocol and all, I'd say it's fairly certain we'll be going with our practice squad qb. next week.

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the first time hue showed his frustration when he took off his headset and basically quit in the 4th


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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On OCTOBER 23, 2016 By JOE POSNANSKI In STUFF 3
Hue Gotta Be Kidding

I've sort of stopped writing about the Cleveland Browns lately because, well, there’s really nothing interesting to talk about. They’re terrible. They are also injured. They are not developing an interesting young quarterback, they are not showing any signs whatsoever of building even a passable offensive or defensive line, their last half-dozen drafts have been unmitigated disasters and the one exciting playmaker they have on the team, receiver Corey Coleman, has been injured and missing.


They have also played FIVE quarterbacks this year.


So, no, there’s not really much to say … well, except for this: The one hope for 2016, the one thing for any Cleveland fan to cling to, was that new coach Hue Jackson and a new braintrust featuring Paul DePodesta would change the dynamic of pure incompetence that has dominated the Browns landscape for years. Jackson was a terrific offensive coordinator for Cincinnati. DePodesta is a smart guy with a feel for building stuff. You had to believe those guys would at least stop the backward running and get the team facing North.


You know what? I don’t believe it anymore.


There was a very short series at the end of the first half that left me cold. I so want to like Hue Jackson. I like his positive approach. I like that he will not make excuses. I like that he refuses to blame officials, even when they DO screw up, and that he refuses to complain about injuries, even when they DO pile on in an almost biblical storm. I so want to like him.


At the end of the first half of Sunday’s game against the Bengals, though, I saw him make the sort of coaching decisions that leave me with no choice but to believe that he does not have it. They were such small decisions that the CBS announcing crew did not even mention them. Then again, it seemed at times that the CBS announcing crew was watching other games on NFL Sunday Ticket.


With about three minutes left in the first half, the Browns somehow trailed by only four, 14-10, and they got the ball back at their own 25. And then, despite the fact that their quarterback was someone named Kevin Hogan, they went on an actual drive. I have not watched much Bengals football this year so I was surprised that they came into this game 2-4. What happened? I thought the Bengals were the best team in football for much of last season, and I remain convinced that if Andy Dalton had not gotten hurt, they would have gone to the Super Bowl. What happened?


What happened is this: The Bengals defense is horrendous. I don’t know the root causes behind that, but I do know that this guy named Kevin Hogan ran wild on them and as far as I know Kevin Hogan has never run wild on ANYBODY …


… wait, I take it back. He ran for 112 yards against Washington State last year.


So, there you go: The Bengals defense is like Washington State.


Anyway, the Browns chugged all the way down to the Bengals 38 with about 1:40 left. It was fourth down and three. Now, I don’t think we need to go into the mathematical maze to figure out what you do. You just look at a few basic facts:


Fact 1: The Browns are 0-6


Fact 2: It was fourth and 3.


Fact 3: Repeat — the Browns are 0-6.


Fact 4: There was only like a minute left.


Fact 5: They were on THE BENGALS 38.


Fact 6: Might not need to say this again but — the Browns are 0-6.


Fact 7: Their quarterback, a guy named Kevin Hogan, was running through the Bengals for some inexplicable reason.


So what do you do? Take into account all of it — the desperation of the team, the field position, the clock, the incompetence of the Bengals defense — and of course you:


TAKE A DELAY OF GAME PENALTY ON PURPOSE AND THEN PUNT!


Well, sure, what else is there to do? I mean, if you go for it there you could, you know, fail to make the first down. And then, oh my gosh, that would be a terrible disaster, because, um, why again? Oh yeah, because then the Bengals would be only 62 yards away from the end zone with one minute left! They might score a field goal or a touchdown and put you more behind. You might lose the game! You might miss the playoffs!


The Browns took a delay of game penalty and punted. They really did that.


The CBS announcers did not seem too interested in talking about it (they were much more interested in why Bengals coach Marvin Lewis wasn’t calling timeout not knowing, apparently, that Marvin’s hobbies include reading, studying history and sitting on a lead). Eventually they seemed to suggest that it was the right call or something because it gave the punter more room or something. They obviously were busy watching the Bills-Dolphins game.


But it gets worse, a lot worse. The decision to punt from well inside Bengals territory on fourth and three even though the team is 0-6 is just the sort of timidity you come to expect from football coaches. Sure, I wanted Hue Jackson to be different, but he isn’t, at least not yet. He’s coaching scared and as disappointing as that is, well, you look at the team he has around him and I’m not sure you can completely blame the guy.


What comes next, though, so boggles the mind so completely that I’m still not 100% sure it happened.


OK, so, the Browns punted the ball and the Bengals fair caught it at the 15 — it was a lousy punt. Whatever. There was 1:03 left in the half. It goes without saying that Marvin Lewis sent out his offense to run the ball and run out the first half clock. It did seem to shock the CBS announcing crew, but that might have been something happening in the New Orleans-Kansas City game.


So, Dalton handed off to Giovani Bernard, and they slowly made their way back to the huddle, and the first half was going to end. I was grumping about the Browns punting that ball — I mean, seriously, how bad do they have to be before a coach will go for it on fourth and three in the opponent’s territory — when I looked up. The TV clock was stuck at 58 seconds.


“Hey,” I thought to myself, “why is the CBS clock broken?” Then I realized, no, CBS had it right. The clock really was stopped.


A whole series of thoughts then occurred in this order:


1. Did Bernard step out of bounds? (No, clearly not, he wasn’t close to the sidelines).


2. Was there a player on the field hurt? (No, the television camera was not focused on any injured player).


3. Did Marvin Lewis actually call timeout? (No, they were on their own 20 with 56 seconds left in the half — a Supreme Court order couldn’t get Marvin to call timeout in that situation).


I was entirely stumped.


And then, someone from the CBS announcer crew casually said four words that made as much sense as if he had said “Egg Sedation Panda Pants.”


He said: “The Browns called timeout.”


He did not say it like, “HAS THE ENTIRE WORLD GONE MAD? ARE WE LIVING IN A UNIVERSE WITHOUT ORDER? IS UP NOW DOWN? IS GREEN NOW RED?”


No, he just said it like that, simply, the way you would say, “Oh, I left your keys on the kitchen table.”


The Browns called timeout.


Why? Why? Why? Um, why? You may ask: Why? The question is: Why? You have to wonder: Why? What’s the letter after X? Why?


Why would the Browns call timeout? Why would the Browns, 30 seconds after not going for it fourth and three call timeout there? What possible purpose could have been ringing in the mind of Hue Jackson?


You might say: Oh, he called timeout to counter Marvin’s conservative ways — hey, if the Bengals were running out the clock, that might mean the Browns couldget the ball back.


Two things on that … no make it three:


1. The Bengals picked up five yards on that run. It was second and five. What in the history of this team would lead Hue Jackson to believe they could stop the Bengals for two more plays and get the ball back?


2. What were the Browns going to do even if they DID get the ball back? Didn’t they just prove they were too scared to go for it on fourth and three in near-field goal range? If you are too conservative to go for it on fourth and three, what possible series of events do you think can lead you to score when the other team has the ball with less than a minute left on second and 5?


3. Oh here’s the important one: The Browns ONLY HAD TWO TIMEOUTS. So even if there was any merit to the idea of getting the ball back — which there was not — they could not stop the clock on third down anyway.


It’s hard to imagine a dumber timeout. What followed had to follow. Of course, the Bengals picked up the first down on the next play, emboldening Marvin Lewis into calling his own timeout. Of course, the Bengals flopped around because they’re just not good this year.


And then, of course, with the clock at 0:00, Dalton threw a hail mary that A.J. Green pulled down in one of the more remarkable catches you’ll ever see. Touchdown Bengals.


The Browns future will rely on being smarter than 31 other NFL teams. That’s the only hope. They are starting from zero — maybe even less than zero — and so they will have to acquire better talent than anyone else, develop it better than anyone else and coach it better than anyone else. Their hope is that they will get the first pick in next year’s draft, and it will be a breathtaking quarterback* and they will build around him, a great offense, a punishing defense, and then they will match up with the best teams and minds in the sport.


*Early mock drafts have the Browns picking DeShone Kizer and isn’t that just perfect? Wasn’t he just BENCHED at Notre Dame? I mean, I know, that doesn’t tell you everything, and Kizer is an exciting young player, but maybe they could take a quarterback who hasn’t been benched.


Sorry, after watching that display from Hue Jackson, I have my doubts.

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i really don't see a win on the schedule


Christmas eve...home game vs SD. If it is snowing or bitter cold that may be our best chance.

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Originally Posted By: EveDawg
The Browns suck. I am glad I didnt waste 30 bucks going to the bar to watch this game. I can treat myself to a nice dinner tomorrow.


10am games here otherwise I would be spending $30 at the bar just to get through the rest of the season.

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Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
i really don't see a win on the schedule


Christmas eve...home game vs SD. If it is snowing or bitter cold that may be our best chance.
good thing weve done so well on xmas eve in the past lol ... maybe thats one


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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WOW ... if what that dude said about the end of the 1st half is true ...

HUE IS CLUELESS when it comes to managing a game .. CLUELESS ...

Combine this with taking a knee and u have a BONAFIDE GAME MANAGEMENT MORON!!!!




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quote above by D4L:

"the first time hue showed his frustration when he took off his headset and basically quit in the 4th"

Interesting.

I joked about this same exact thing at the club today.

Something to the effect: "Hue really didn't like that song."

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I didn't get to see the 1st half .. just the 2nd .. will watch it later ..




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So, how are the Browns 42 receivers picked in this year's Draft doing?


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Run defense gets worse and worse.....yet we released Gabe wright this week who seemed to be pretty good against the run.


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Those 2 idiotic decisions at the end of the first half by Hue were actually hard to even believe. The guy has been a serious dud over-matched talent wise or not. He's been awful and I would say his game day decisions have just been Pettine-like or worse. Everyone here in Cincy thinks we got such a great coach. Please!


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yeah, the run d has gotten progressivley worse here


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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the offense is doing its job better than I thought they would, with all the injuries to the line.

The defensive line is doing ok...but our DB's and I mean ALL of them are beyond bad. we do not have SS, FS, or CB that can cover. Not one.

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Also Ray Horton scheme or play calling is just bad, bad, bad.


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Originally Posted By: WhatCanBrownDo4U
Those 2 idiotic decisions at the end of the first half by Hue were actually hard to even believe. The guy has been a serious dud over-matched talent wise or not. He's been awful and I would say his game day decisions have just been Pettine-like or worse. Everyone here in Cincy thinks we got such a great coach. Please!


I been scratching my head about some of the things Hue has done since game 1 ... been vocal about it since the DUMB ASS KNEE ...

And your right Pett would have been run out of town for that one alone ..

But if he called a TO with us having NO SHOT of getting the ball back ..

SOMETHING HAD TO HAPPEN .. maybe we'll hear about it in the presser .. there had to be more going on .. there has to be more to that one ..

HAS TO BE ...




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So, how are the Browns 42 receivers picked in this year's Draft doing?




Not well! I mentioned this last week. We better hope Coleman is good and isn't a yearly IR candidate because if not we used a lot of picks on "guys" who are littered all over the NFL and waiver wire.


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So, how are the Browns 42 receivers picked in this year's Draft doing?




Not well! I mentioned this last week. We better hope Coleman is good and isn't a yearly IR candidate because if not we used a lot of picks on "guys" who are littered all over the NFL and waiver wire.


There rookie WR's guys ... i am not a fan of ANY of them cause of there LACK OF HANDS ... but they need another year or two ...

Only one that should be NFL ready and at least show flashes is Coleman .. the others are going to need some time before we declare them dime a dozen guys ..

There's a reason they were drafted late 2nd and beyond .. NOT MANY 1st YEAR STUDS drafted then ..

They were all iffy in the hand dept. .. and i DESPISE THAT ...




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Thoughts:
--I thought Kessler looked good for the most part when he was in. Made some plays. Got lucky on two throws, but he is poised for a rookie.

--Hue and Pep must have saw something w/the Bengals D on tape and exploited it w/Hogan running the read option for big yardage. Good coaching.

--The TO at the end of the half when the Bengals had the ball was mind boggling.

--Speaking of mind boggling, both Marvin and Hue had no clue how to manage the clock at the end of the half. It was unreal.

--Crow ran very well.

--Duke is overrated.

--Ogbah had a nice game. Not just the sacks, but he has pretty good range. He's long and stout. Good combo.

--D. Davis got abused all day.

--Kindred and Campbell suck and need replaced.

--I thought that back-up CB, what's his name, Booty Calhoun or something...LOL..........has potential. He gets right up on the LOS and has a decent punch and shows pretty good athletic ability. He's just raw.

--Erving left w/an illness. I think it's called Atkinson's Disease.

--I like Hogan's arm better than Kessler's. And I think he has a better frame to w/stand punishment.

--The Browns called me right after Hogan took that kill shot from a Bengal d-lineman. wink

--How many rushing yards did the Bengals have? Close to 300?

--Was anyone surprised when Green caught the Hail Mary at the end of the half?

--News for the FO. Football isn't baseball. There isn't a minor league feeder system. You can't hide and develop tons of guys. You need impact players and trading high round picks for a bunch of lower round guys is stupid!

--But, I am sure people are still encouraged. rolleyes Of course, that makes Jimmy:


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Those 2 idiotic decisions at the end of the first half by Hue were actually hard to even believe. The guy has been a serious dud over-matched talent wise or not. He's been awful and I would say his game day decisions have just been Pettine-like or worse. Everyone here in Cincy thinks we got such a great coach. Please!


I been scratching my head about some of the things Hue has done since game 1 ... been vocal about it since the DUMB ASS KNEE ...

And your right Pett would have been run out of town for that one alone ..

But if he called a TO with us having NO SHOT of getting the ball back ..

SOMETHING HAD TO HAPPEN .. maybe we'll hear about it in the presser .. there had to be more going on .. there has to be more to that one ..

HAS TO BE ...









You'd think so anyway. That was a total flub of everything. Heck, there was a good wind at our backs. It might have been a 55-56 yard shot...Parkey shows the leg for that even without wind.

I get not trying it so you don't give them the ball near midfield, but not going for it, then taking time off the clock for a delay to punt, then calling TO with maybe 25 seconds to play makes the guy look like a simpleton.

As with you, I'll wait and see what was going on.....maybe someone was hurt and we had to take a timeout or only had 10 guys on the field......geesh


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Is there a link to the presser? I saw a small part of it on ESPN where Hugh discusses taking off his headset


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