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Sorry for the incorrect stats
The stats were posted on Tuesday at OBR and I didn't verify them. I just assumed they were correct when they weren't challenged.

Still while you are laughing out loud mac maybe you can tell me how Travis Benjamin averaging 68.5 yds and .33 TDs a game is worth 6 mil a year and how it was a failure of our front office to recognize that.

Mac, Keenan Allen who tore his MCL/ACL, was the number 1 receiver. TB stats are inflated because KA went down.

The Bottom line is that is what he can do with Phillip Rivers throwing to him.

We are getting slightly better production out of Terrelle Pryor with the QB of the week throwing to him.

Are we getting better production from Hawkins? Or, are you saying you only want one productive receiver? Not sure what your point is?

I'm saying that Benjamin would be at best 3rd WR on this team behind Coleman and Pryor and it was probably a smart move not to hand him $24 mil.

I agree on not handing Benji that kind of money.

I agree with Turk, it doesn't take 5 years to see results. He havebn't won, but I am seeing results out of the O compared to last year.

I agree with Diam in that 3 years is the minimum for a coach and front office to get things rolling in full. I am not saying we are winning Superbowls, but at that point you have your own players, in your system, so you should get a real good feel on where the team is headed. Years 4 and 5 are where you see if you are still getting better or have stalled in the quest.

Years 3, 4 and 5 with the same people? what is this you speak of?

Based on what? You say it doesn't take 5 years ... what is your yardstick for results? Playoffs? That would be my goal.... And if it doesn't take 5 years ... how many years does it take 4? 3? 2? What other Franchise's in recent years have turned it around in a couple years and stayed good and stayed a consistent playoff contender?? .... I can't think of any. So defining the time frame as less than 5 years leaves a lot of room for interpretation. Let me understand your expectations.

The nearest comparison I can think of is Oakland. They were bad. They took Carr who I wanted. They took Mack who I wanted. They took Armani Cooper as their stud WR. They are 4-2 and heading in the right direction. It's year 3 for them. Looking at their schedule I think they have an easy ride to the playoffs. I don't think you can hit more solid and impactful players than Mack, Carr and Cooper in 2 years. So to me an absolute minimum is 3 years. And looking at this Browns roster I would argue we might be worse than Oakland was when they drafted Carr.

I don't want continuation for the sake of continuation ... if we are 0-16 next year I have a massive problem. Right now - despite not getting the results and despite some saying 'same old Browns' - I think we have the best HC since 1999. Still don't like some of the game day decisions. But it doesn't change my opinion on Hue. For the most part I like the decisions the FO has made. Coleman has flashed stud potential, Nassib, Ogbah both look more than solid. Kessler (despite a noodle arm) is impressing me with his moxy, accuracy and ability to play at the NFL level ... and I'd love to see them on the field around better talent and see how they play. So at the moment no-one is under pressure and I am encouraged. End of story for me.... I want to sit and watch the players develop and get healthy. And I am looking forward to a couple of wins before the end of the season.

Ignore him. He also believes that if you eat pop rocks with soda that it will kill you.
The crazy urban legends 'Peen believes in. SMH

I don't understand your comment?? I said it takes 3 years for a new staff the time to build the team in their image. At that point you should start seeing results. Years 4 and 5 are where you see if the image is good enough to be a contender or if they stall out.

Where do you disagree?

I don't.

Yep joked:
Years 3, 4 and 5 with the same people? what is this you speak of?

As in that has never been seen by a Browns fan.

My comment was confirming that you must be crazy to think the Browns would even consider that.

OK, got ya...early in the morning I was reading on a serious side and just didn't understand the comment.

All's good my friend.

Please post the link proving the leak came from the front office as part of their diabolical plan.

Otherwise admit that you made that part up to increase the drama.

You are like the guy that talks you into renting a car in your name for a 30 hour road trip, wrecks the car 15 mins into the drive and spends the next 29 hours and 45 mins of the trip telling you that you should have bought the insurance.

Hey............what do you know. You don't like the message, so you insult the poster. What a surprise.

Yeah, I know... You never do this.

And neither do you. LOL

j/c

(yells at kitchen) "Cancel dinner, honey! Looks like we will be needing popcorn instead"...

Appearing on Football Night in America, PFT's Mike Florio reported the Browns are looking for a second-round pick in exchange for LT Joe Thomas.
The Browns came close to dealing Thomas at this time last year, nearly striking a deal with the Broncos before it fell apart. This new Browns regime spent all offseason ridding the roster of veterans and could look to get what they can for Thomas with the team going nowhere this season at 0-7. Thomas turns 32 in December but remains a top-tier left tackle.
link

Hey Dep...ask Florio where he got his info

A 2nd wont get Joe. They turned down a first and 2nd last year. They want a first and or a player. This one could be coming soon but no it wont be for a 2nd.

j/c:


https://twitter.com/MaryKayCabot/status/790625269518336001

Still don't see where this part is: "the Browns front office leaking to the media that Joe Thomas is again on the trading block"



This sounds a little more definative to me.

Are they getting offers? I am quite sure. Will they except one? Maybe if the price is right. Did the Browns front office leak anything? Still not seeing a link.

We should hang up the phone on any team who says anything other than "first round"

Yeah I'm not feeling that whole 2nd rounder thing.

Still waiting on that link mac.

Otherwise you are making up something that they did in order to make up reason to be mad about it.

The only link I see from the Browns is one from Hue saying that we aren't trading him.

Who leaked it?

a) Nobody. Floria has put out rumors without facts before. He makes money off of having breaking news and it could have been a slow news week.

b) The 49ers. They are trying to trade Joe Staley and that gets easier if a trade of JT sets the price for them ahead of time.

c) A team wanting JT. If they were told no, why not try to pressure the FO by leaking that he is available. Then it makes it look like the FO was unable to get a deal done if they continue to say no.

Those are just 3 choices that I pulled out of the same place as the choice that you proclaimed to be the reason. Unlike you though, I am not pretending that any of those reasons is fact.

I am not resorting to anything.

You are the one making a statement as fact.

I asked you to back it up.

I gave you a few other options since you don't have anything to back up what you are so certain actually happened.

Still waiting on that link.

It will probably be a long wait too because you graduated from pessimism to propaganda a long time ago.

Still waiting for Haslam to buy that NASCAR team as well.

Wasn't last year when this went down wasn't Farmer in charge? Depo. and Andrew Berry weren't even here.

Sashi and Haslam were here, though. And it was reported that other teams got frustrated in trying to deal w/the Browns because there were so many voices involved. Teams would think they had a deal and then things would suddenly changed because another voice got involved.

I would provide a link like some people seem to insist on, but you know, when you do provide a link, those same people who ask for links suddenly do an about-face and rip the people who wrote the articles and attack the posters who post such links.

Yeah, that's the way it works around here.

so since it wasn't the goal of the front office to win this year
what was the goal of the front office in 2016?

Don't need a link Ver's I remember all that. Just saying you can't blame Depo and Berry for that one.

What does Pilot/Flying J sponsoring a nascar team have to do with the Browns?


A company sponsoring a nascar team is called "marketing".

The Browns ALSO market themselves.

It's weird how businesses work, isn't it mac?

god i love this thread

The link posted above says nothing about our front office purposely leaking information so there is nothing to accept.

Flying J has been Sponsoring a NASCAR team for years. Show me the link on Haslam owning a NASCAR team because that was where you said he was funneling all that Brown's money.

Get used to this because from this point forward when you post some stuff that you just made up I'm going to call you out on it. This propaganda stuff has been going on for about 50 re-posts of this thread and I'm going to start making it as painful for you as it has been for me.

What a lofty goal, Barney.