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If everyone is all in on "we're not going to win this season" why is the coach getting so upset that he hands his headset to someone else to do his job? Is Hue setting himself up for disappointment? If we're consigned to losing why not just take lawn chairs out there and sip umbrella drinks while we watch rooks get creamed?

Having so many players from the same draft class on the roster will create a scenario where too many contracts will occur at once, and the spin will be that "we couldn't possibly keep them all..."

Vers....our FO right now is horrible. i know it's their first year but man...gutting the roster and not spending money in FA is killing us. i dunno how Hue keeps the O moving with our talent. and the defense....ugh.

Well yeah, we gave them Wentz?

Because he was expecting more out of the players that he has than what they delivered this week. He's still got to teach these young guys how to play. Other than the Pats game and this one, I see a team that was competitive.

Step #1 - Be patient. It's going to take time.

Nice rebuttal. Filled w/logic and intelligence.

Nice rebuttal. Filled w/logic and intelligence.

peen, I think there are problems w/the plan and that's not going to change because several posters scoff at that opinion and say things like "I am encouraged."

Problems:

--Not re-signing your quality free agents and creating even more holes in an already poor roster is baffling.

--Passing on impact players and stock-piling a lot of lower round picks sounds good, but a team full of guys w/out any stars is not going to win.

--Having so many players from the same draft class on the roster will create a scenario where too many contracts will occur at once, and the spin will be that "we couldn't possibly keep them all..."

--Having a roster that is almost completely devoid of guys who have won playoff games or played w/winning teams is an issue especially when you begin by losing so many games. We are developing a culture of losing and that is so hard to overcome. It's far more important than saying "we have so many draft picks."

--We failed to obtain a franchise qb and that problem is more-than-likely going to be compounded by having to go yet another year because the upcoming qb class doesn't look very good.

--Our team speed on defense is really poor. Heck, our overall team speed is poor. If I were building a team--on any level--team speed would be priority number one!

--Football is different than baseball. In football, you can't assign guys to your minor league teams and have them develop at their own pace. Instead, the roster is limited and you are almost forced to keep all of your choices [just like the Browns did this year w/the rookie class] if you want those players to develop. The problem is that when you draft a bunch of guys at one position, you are then neglecting other positions. I think analytics are a tool, but football is a totally different situation than baseball because you simply can't afford to load-up on one position group. In baseball, guys can stay in the minors for years, but in football, they need to be ready to perform.


I don't think those opinions are so awfully biased. I don't think they are because I "hate the FO." I think there is more logic behind them than some cheerleaders who belittle realistic opinions and offer up "I am encouraged" as proof as to why they are right.

But hey...............that's just me.

In Internet slang, a troll (/'tro?l/, /'tr?l/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion, often for their own amusement.

I guess I should add - they also take one phrase (or three words), ignore the meat of another person's post, and quote it endlessly to try and belittle and provoke. Not once or twice, not with just one poster, but systematically.

Nobody really cares what your opinions are of their opinions.

I do.

I do.

I think there is more logic behind them than some cheerleaders who belittle realistic opinions and offer up "I am encouraged" as proof as to why they are right.

I don't.

What you wrote was :

Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
I think there is more logic behind them than some cheerleaders who belittle realistic opinions and offer up "I am encouraged" as proof as to why they are right.


And I responded. "In Internet slang, a troll (/'tro?l/, /'tr?l/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion, often for their own amusement.

I guess I should add - they also take one phrase (or three words), ignore the meat of another person's post, and quote it endlessly to try and belittle and provoke. Not once or twice, not with just one poster, but systematically."

Quote:
peen, I think there are problems w/the plan and that's not going to change because several posters scoff at that opinion and say things like "I am encouraged."

Problems:

--Not re-signing your quality free agents and creating even more holes in an already poor roster is baffling.

--Passing on impact players and stock-piling a lot of lower round picks sounds good, but a team full of guys w/out any stars is not going to win.

--Having so many players from the same draft class on the roster will create a scenario where too many contracts will occur at once, and the spin will be that "we couldn't possibly keep them all..."

--Having a roster that is almost completely devoid of guys who have won playoff games or played w/winning teams is an issue especially when you begin by losing so many games. We are developing a culture of losing and that is so hard to overcome. It's far more important than saying "we have so many draft picks."

--We failed to obtain a franchise qb and that problem is more-than-likely going to be compounded by having to go yet another year because the upcoming qb class doesn't look very good.

--Our team speed on defense is really poor. Heck, our overall team speed is poor. If I were building a team--on any level--team speed would be priority number one!

--Football is different than baseball. In football, you can't assign guys to your minor league teams and have them develop at their own pace. Instead, the roster is limited and you are almost forced to keep all of your choices [just like the Browns did this year w/the rookie class] if you want those players to develop. The problem is that when you draft a bunch of guys at one position, you are then neglecting other positions. I think analytics are a tool, but football is a totally different situation than baseball because you simply can't afford to load-up on one position group. In baseball, guys can stay in the minors for years, but in football, they need to be ready to perform.


I don't think those opinions are so awfully biased. I don't think they are because I "hate the FO." I think there is more logic behind them than some cheerleaders who belittle realistic opinions and offer up "I am encouraged" as proof as to why they are right.

But hey...............that's just me.

Do you have a link for that?

I don't.

peen, I think there are problems w/the plan and that's not going to change because several posters scoff at that opinion and say things like "I am encouraged."

Problems:

--Not re-signing your quality free agents and creating even more holes in an already poor roster is baffling.

--Passing on impact players and stock-piling a lot of lower round picks sounds good, but a team full of guys w/out any stars is not going to win.

--Having so many players from the same draft class on the roster will create a scenario where too many contracts will occur at once, and the spin will be that "we couldn't possibly keep them all..."

--Having a roster that is almost completely devoid of guys who have won playoff games or played w/winning teams is an issue especially when you begin by losing so many games. We are developing a culture of losing and that is so hard to overcome. It's far more important than saying "we have so many draft picks."

--We failed to obtain a franchise qb and that problem is more-than-likely going to be compounded by having to go yet another year because the upcoming qb class doesn't look very good.

--Our team speed on defense is really poor. Heck, our overall team speed is poor. If I were building a team--on any level--team speed would be priority number one!

--Football is different than baseball. In football, you can't assign guys to your minor league teams and have them develop at their own pace. Instead, the roster is limited and you are almost forced to keep all of your choices [just like the Browns did this year w/the rookie class] if you want those players to develop. The problem is that when you draft a bunch of guys at one position, you are then neglecting other positions. I think analytics are a tool, but football is a totally different situation than baseball because you simply can't afford to load-up on one position group. In baseball, guys can stay in the minors for years, but in football, they need to be ready to perform.


I don't think those opinions are so awfully biased. I don't think they are because I "hate the FO." I think there is more logic behind them than some cheerleaders who belittle realistic opinions and offer up "I am encouraged" as proof as to why they are right.

But hey...............that's just me.